Wolves in Costume: Rick Warren
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Author: Christopher J. E. Johnson Published: Mar 5, 2012 Updated: Mar 27, 2020 |
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Introduction
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Richard Duane Warren (i.e. Rick Warren) is the founder and pastor of Saddleback Church in California, and gives the impression to the world that he a good preacher and minister of Christ."We know that HOPE comes from the Scriptures... People need to hear the Gospel and the HOPE in CHRIST more than ever." -Rick Warren, "Learn, Love, Live The Word," retrieved Dec 23, 2014, [rickwarren.org/about] |
I am NOT saying that no one has ever been born-again saved at a Rick Warren event. I am NOT saying everyone who has studied Rick Warren is a heretic. I am NOT saying that everyone who works with Rick Warren is unsaved. I'm saying is that there is very little evidence that Rick Warren believes in the Jesus Christ of the Bible, and a lot of evidence that Warren believes in a false new-age idol he calls "jesus."
Rick Warren has spoken beside leaders of countries all over the world, and is highly respected in the world, but the Bible warns us not to be blinded by respect to someone's person.
But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
-James 2:9
Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.
-Matthew 16:12
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
-John 7:24
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
-2 Corinthians 11:14-15
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
-Matthew 7:15
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
-Matthew 7:13-14
There are many people out there working to expose Rick Warren for his heresy, but I hope this will be a consolidated beginner's guide for those who may not understand the danger in his doctrines. I pray this would help to bring the born-again believers out from under Warren's worldly yoke.
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?... Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
-2 Corinthians 6:14-18
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All Wolves Go To Heaven
"You may be Catholic or Protestant or Buddhist or Baptist or Muslim or Mormon or Jewish or Jain [Indian meditation religion], or you have no religion at all. I'm not interested in your religious background. Because God did not create the universe for us to have religion. He came for us to have a relationship with him."
-Rick Warren, quoted by Tamara Hartzell, In the Name of Purpose: Sacrificing Truth on the Altar of Unity, Xlibris Corporation, 2007, p. 241-242, ISBN: 9781425736262
Now we can begin to see some of the deception. Warren is using the term "religion" very loosely, and does not point specifically back to the Christian God of the Bible, claiming that they all worship Him, just in different ways.
For example, he claims that people in other religions, like Hindus and Muslims, follow Christ:
"I happen to know people who are followers of Christ in other religions. "
-Rick Warren, quoted at the Aspen Ideas Festival, The Aspen Institute, July 6, 2005, “Discussion: Religion and Leadership,” with David Gergen; See also Tamara Hartzell, In the Name of Purpose: Sacrificing Truth on the Altar of Unity, Xlibris Corporation, 2007, ISBN: 9781425736262
The very definition of the word "Christian" is to be a follower of Christ. It's not possible to follow Christ in any other religion apart from Christianity.
"To me,I define religion as man's attempt to get to God . And I have studiedall the major religions ... andthey all just have a different way to get to God ."
-Rick Warren, quoted by Tamara Hartzell, In the Name of Purpose: Sacrificing Truth on the Altar of Unity, Xlibris Corporation, 2007, p. 243, ISBN: 9781425736262
Warren changes the definition of "religion" to whatever he wants it to mean, and then creates a definition that suits everyone of every belief and calls them all valid. That kind of double speak abandons all reason. For anyone out there who studies the Bible seriously, this should be all you need to see to know to sanctify yourselves from this heretic.
But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
-Galatians 3:22
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
-1 Timothy 2:5
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
-John 14:6
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Rick Warren believes that one can be saved by Jesus Christ without repenting of Buddhist, Muslim, or Catholic beliefs and practices, that each of these religions has its own exclusive way to God, and that other pagan religions worship the Christian God of the Bible. This is heresy to Christ's doctrine, but it begins to show us why Warren's so highly esteemed among men.
And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God. |
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"Warren's God isnot awesome or angry and he does not stand in judgement of human sin . He is genial and mellow and he wants to be your best friend."
-The New Yorker, Sept 12, 2005; See also Mark Lawrence, "Rick Warren and the 'End Times' Apostasy," Secrets of Survival, retrieved June 16, 2014, [www.secretsofsurvival.com/survival/rick_warren_apostasy.html]
God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.
-Psalm 7:11
Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.
-Psalm 33:8
(Read "Unbiblical Cop-Outs: Don't Judge Me!" here at creationliberty.com for more details.)
Yea, and why even of yourselves judge ye not what is right?
-Luke 12:57
But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
-Matthew 12:36
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
-Hebrews 9:27
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" -Rick Warren, The Purpose Driven Life: What on Earth Am I Here For?, Zondervan, 2008, quote from Chapter 7: The Reason for Everything, ISBN: 9780310296119 |
Warren doesn't say what exactly God is forgiving people for, and that's because repentance is completely removed from Warren's version of salvation. He didn't even bother to mention that you need to believe that the Lord Jesus Christ shed His blood on the cross and was resurrected from the dead.
I find it amazing today how many church-goers ask people if they know Jesus, but almost no one talks about if Jesus knows you.
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
-Matthew 7:21-23
But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
-Galatians 4:9
From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
-Matthew 4:17
And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city. And they went out, and preached that men should repent.
-Mark 6:11-12
(Read "Is Repentance Necessary?" here at creationliberty.com for more details.)
"Warren says the goal of The Purpose Driven Life is tohelp people develop a heart for the world ."
-Erin Curry, a promoter of Rick Warren, "Rick Warren Book Calls Christians to Seek a 'Purpose Driven Life', Baptist Press, Sept 25th, 2002
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
-1 John 2:15
If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
-John 15:19
Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
-James 1:27
Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
-James 4:4
If we Christians were to bring up these Biblical arguments to Rick Warren or his new-age churches, how would they respond?
"You’ve got toprotect the unity of your church. If that meansgetting rid of troublemakers , do it... As pastors, as shepherds of God’s people, it's our job toprotect our congregations from Satan’s greatest weapon – disunity ... It's not always easy, butit's what we’ve been called to do ."
-Rick Warren, quoted by Joseph Farah, "Rick Warren's Inquisition," World Net Daily, Nov 11, 2007, retrieved June 16, 2014, [www.wnd.com/2007/11/44801]
What does Jesus Christ say about "disunity?"
Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
-Luke 12:51
Warren may indeed have been "called" to teach that message, but he wasn't called by the Lord God. The only unity spoken of in the Gospel is within the Holy Spirit, not unity of the world. The Bible teaches us to sanctify (i.e. separate) ourselves from the world, and especially from those deceptive men who teach false doctrine.
Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
-Romans 16:17
Correction is grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: and he that hateth reproof shall die.
-Proverbs 15:10
Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
-Luke 6:22
(Read "Did Christ Come to Bring Peace?" here at creationliberty.com for more details.)
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Warren's Doctrine on Giving
"People give when they trust the leadership ... Study after study has proven that in the hierarchy of giving, people give first of all to people they believe in... Even if you use a consultant to help you raise money, you as the pastor still need to be out front. Because the person who asks for the giving needs to bethe person with the most credibility. And if you are a Pastor and you are not the most trusted person, you have a leadership problem and you’re not ready to teach people to give yet. You need to be the most visible because the person who is the best qualified to ask for money should bethe person whose the most trusted ."
-Rick Warren, "8 Reasons Believers Give to Your Church," pastors.com, retrieved June 18, 2014, [pastors.com/8-reasons-believers-give-to-your-church]
Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.
-Jeremiah 17:5
Blessed is that man that maketh the LORD his trust, and respecteth not the proud, nor such as turn aside to lies.
-Psalm 40:4
It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.
-Psalm 118:8
(Read "Is the One-Pastor Church System Biblical?" here at creationliberty.com for more details.)
Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre [money], but of a ready mind;
-1 Peter 5:2
Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's [money's] sake.
-Titus 1:11
"People give when they catch a vision,not when they see a need ."
-Rick Warren, "8 Reasons Believers Give to Your Church," pastors.com, retrieved June 18, 2014, [pastors.com/8-reasons-believers-give-to-your-church]
Yes, the world typically gives when they catch a vision, but that's not how born-again CHRISTIANS are supposed to operate.
And all that believed were together, and had all things common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
-Acts 2:44-45
Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
-Acts 4:34-35
(Read "A Biblical Understanding of Charity" here at creationliberty.com for more details.)
"People give when their gifts are appreciated ... Figure out seven ways to thank people for their gift... A little appreciation goes a long way inencouraging people to be generous for the long haul ."
-Rick Warren, "8 Reasons Believers Give to Your Church," pastors.com, retrieved June 18, 2014, [pastors.com/8-reasons-believers-give-to-your-church]
The king by judgment establisheth the land: but he that receiveth gifts overthroweth it.
-Proverbs 29:4
Thy princes are rebellious, and companions of thieves: every one loveth gifts, and followeth after rewards: they judge not the fatherless, neither doth the cause of the widow come unto them.
-Isaiah 1:23
He that is greedy of gain troubleth his own house; but he that hateth gifts shall live.
-Proverbs 15:27
Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
-Matthew 6:1
Warren, along with the millions of preachers he influences, is putting a burden of sacrifice on their "laity;" a burden which they wouldn't touch with one finger.
For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
-Matthew 23:4-6
"We develop spiritual fitness when we honor God bygiving him a tithe every week."
-Rick Warren, "Spiritual Habits of Effective People: Tithing," May 21, 2014, retrieved Dec 23, 2014, [rickwarren.org/devotional/english/spiritual-habits-of-effective-people-tithing]
In our article, "Is Tithe a Christian Requirement," we covered how the Old Testament law of tithe was brought back around by the Wesleyan church in the late 19th century for the purpose of getting them out of debt. Tithe has never been a New Testament duty of Christians, and it only remained popular because pastors started making more money when they taught the "storehouse tithing sermons."
There's also a contradiction in that Warren calls it a "gift of tithe," when tithe is not a gift. Tithe is a requirement, and they call it "giving" to make sound better in church building. If tithe is charitable giving, then paying your property taxes is just love offerings to the government.
Furthermore, Rick Warren is claiming that the money church-goers are giving to Warren in his church building is equivalent to "giving to God:"
"Tithing is the spiritual habit of giving back to God the first 10 percent of all I make. If I make $100, I give $10 back to God; if I make $1000, I give $100 back to God. I get to keep 90 percent but I give 10 percent to him.Why would anybody have to do that? Because God says so and that’s reason enough.If you don’t do it, you’re disobeying God ."
-Rick Warren, "Spiritual Habits of Effective People: Tithing," May 21, 2014, retrieved Dec 23, 2014, [rickwarren.org/devotional/english/spiritual-habits-of-effective-people-tithing]
I've heard this from many preachers, but there is nothing in the New Testament Scripture to back that up. So where does Warren go to back up his claim? The Old Testament, specifically in Deuteronomy 14:23.
And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.
-Deuteronomy 14:23
Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
-2 Corinthians 9:7
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Warren's One-World Religion and Government
After we've already seen Warren's false doctrine on worldly unity, he obviously does not care who he's yoked up with, but for those of us who are discerning Christians in the Spirit of God, the following names of other people on the CFR roster should set off some warnings in your mind:
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But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
-2 Timothy 3:13
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
-Ephesians 5:11
(Read "Corruptions of Christianity: Catholicism" here at creationliberty.com for more details.)
"Pope Francis' actions as he has eased into the papacy have made headlines and drawn accolades [awards or merits] from world leaders;Saddleback Pastor Rick Warren joins those applauding the Bishop of Rome. 'I am nothing but impressed by this new pope ,' the bestselling author tells Piers Morgan in tonight's primetime interview."
-Paul Murphy, "Rick Warren: 'I am nothing but impressed with the new pope'," The Piers Morgan Interview, CNN, Dec 6, 2013, retrieved July 1, 2014, [piersmorgan.blogs.cnn.com/2013/12/06/rick-warren-i-am-nothing-but-impressed-with-this-new-pope]
Pope Francis and Rick Warren go hand-in-glove for the most part; they have no objections about working together in perfect harmony. In Newsmax's "Top 50 Megachurches in America," Warren is #1:
"The church he founded remains one of the five largest in America, but Pastor Warren’s influence expands way beyond Saddleback. His book, "Purpose Driven Life," is second only to the Bible in non-fiction best-sellers; he was recently the subject of a major motion picture; he’s trained hundreds of thousands of church leaders in every nation in the world; and he's on the speed dial of presidents, prime ministers, rock stars, and celebrities. For years,insiders have joked that Warren is the 'evangelical pope.' No one was joking any longer when Pope Francis came to America for the World Meeting of Families in September and invited the evangelical Pastor Warren to deliver the keynote address. "
-Johnnie Moore, "Newsmax's Top 50 Megachurches in America," Newsmax, Nov 11, 2015, retrieved Dec 29, 2015, [newsmax.com/TheWire/megachurches-top-united-states-newsmax/2015/11/11/id/701661]
This shouldn't be a surprise since in Warren's opening, he addressed all non-Catholic church-goers (false converts) and urged them to join up with the Catholic Church:
"Pastor Rick Warren has called on non-Catholic Christians tojoin with Pope Francis and the Catholic Church in pursuit of their common goals ... 'If you love Jesus,' [Warren] said, 'we're on the same team.' Pastor Warren’s remarks were polite and well reasoned, and were well received in the Catholic community."
-Kathy Schiffer, "Megachurch Pastor Rick Warren Joins Pope Francis in Support of Common Mission," Aleteia, Dec 19, 2014, retrieved Dec 29, 2015, [aleteia.org/2014/12/19/megachurch-pastor-rick-warren-joins-pope-francis-in-support-of-common-mission]
The world loves the good words and fair speeches that Warren gives:
This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
-Matthew 15:8
For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
-Romans 16:18
Help, LORD; for the godly man ceaseth; for the faithful fail from among the children of men. They speak vanity every one with his neighbour: with flattering lips and with a double heart do they speak.
-Psalm 12:1-2
"The mission of Tom Peterson and Catholics Come Home to bring souls home to Jesus and the church is critically important during this challenging time in our history.I fully support this New Evangelization project ."
-Rick Warren, "Catholics Come Home Announces First Book From Founder Tom Peterson," catholicscomehome.org, Dec 20, 2012, retrieved July 1, 2014, [www.catholicscomehome.org/catholics-come-home-announces-first-book-from-founder-tom-peterson]
There is no reason for a Christian to respect Warren's person (his title, fame, money, etc), but many church-goers do. They follow him like a pied piper straight into the arms of the Devil, and through his "endorsement," many may end up in the lake of fire with their hopes in a pagan system that can't save them.
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Warren's Purpose Driven Life is published by Zondervan, which is owned by HarperCollins "Christian" Publishing. (They also publish things like the NIV and the Satanic Bible; we will mention this again later in this teaching.) HarperCollins is currently (as of 2016) owned by Rupert Murdoch, one of the most wicked ruling elite on the planet. Rick Warren sat down for an interview with The New Yorker: "'I had dinner with Jack Welch [former CEO of General Electric] last Sunday night,' he said. 'He came to church, and we had dinner. I’ve been kind of mentoring him on his spiritual journey. And he said to me, "Rick, you are the biggest thinker I have ever met in my life. -Malcolm Gladwell, "The Cellular Church," The New Yorker, Sept 12, 2005, retrieved Jan 8, 2016, [newyorker.com/magazine/2005/09/12/the-cellular-church] It's not just that Rupert Murdoch is Warren's publisher, but he's also a member of his Saddleback Church. Just like Billy Graham, Rick Warren loves to rub shoulders with the world elites, and I'm sure Murdoch has donated huge amounts to Warren's "ministry." When you take into consideration Warren's connections in the CFR on top of all this, it really begins to paint a clear picture that Warren's Purpose-Driven Church movement is mainly sponsored by the Illuminati. Murdoch made his fortune as a newspaper baron in the 1950s, and has acquired control of news publications around the world ever since in a "divide-and-conquer" fashion. As of January of 2016, Forbes rated Murdoch at #35 in the list of the most powerful people in the world. (See "The World's Most Powerful People: Rupert Murdoch," Forbes, retrieved Jan 8, 2016, [forbes.com/profile/rupert-murdoch]) Murdoch has always been well-known for publishing nude women in some of his media outlets, but in 2007, Murdoch also began running a series of hardcore porn channels for television. When Rick Warren was asked about pastoring a man in the porn industry, he said: " -Rick Warren, quoted in "Murdoch Pastor Gets Heat For Mogul's Porn Channels," World Net Daily, May 10, 2007, retrieved Jan 8, 2016, [wnd.com/2007/05/41520] In Warren's eyes, there is no such thing as sin. There is no repentance. There is no judgment. There is no rebuke. Warren will yoke up with any man, no matter how evil and wicked they are, so long as they have the cash to support him. |
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WARREN: "The authenticity, humility -- Pope Francis is the perfect example of this. He's doing everything right. You see, people will listen to what we say, if they like what they see. And as |
As a side note, I was laughing when I heard him call the Pope "the perfect example of humility." Does this look humble to you?
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Notice that Warren said "OUR new pope." That's because he is joined hand-in-hand with Rome. |
Warren is more focused on getting people to like him. Suffering affliction is too burdensome to bear because he does not have the Spirit of God in him:
But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions [i.e. grief], do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
-2 Timothy 4:5
Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
-2 Timothy 3:12
If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
-John 15:19
Again, Warren is loved by the world, which means he's not of Christ. Even the baby-killing, lying, socialist Barack Obama (our U.S. President as of 2015) invited Rick Warren to give an opening prayer at his inauguration. Just like the worldly false preacher Billy Graham, Warren is being invited up to share in the self-glorifying platform with the wicked rulers of darkness.
(See Susan D. James, "Pastor Warren Sets Inclusive Tone at Inaugural," ABC News, Jan 20, 2009, retrieved July 1, 2014, [abcnews.go.com/Politics/Inauguration/rick-warren-invocation-president-obama-inauguration/story?id=6687731])
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
-Ephesians 6:12
Behold, they shall surely gather together, but not by me:
-Isaiah 54:15
"I've never met apolitician I completely agreed with... the bible says I'm to show respect to everybody because they're all extremely valuable. I don't agree with them, butthey're extremely valuable ."
-Rick Warren, "Learning My True Identity In Christ," Saddleback Church, Oct 13, 2014, retrieved Jan 13, 2016, [youtube.com/watch?v=AolN3_JldmI]
Warren has appeared on the panel of the "World Economic Forum," to discuss one-world issues to unite all religions:
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Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
-2 Corinthians 6:14-18
Rick Warren does not lead people to the Word of God, but rather is leading them to a revolution of a one-world religion that will unite under his guidance in the fashion that Hitler led the Nazis. Don't think that's over exaggeration until you read Warren's own words:
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WARREN @3:17 -- "What is the vision for the next 25 years? I'll tell you what it is. It is [Vladmir] |
With something so deceptive and manipulative and wicked, where do we even start breaking this down? First, Jesus Christ did not say to stand up and pray publicly in front of everyone else:
And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
-Matthew 6:5-6
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
-John 18:36
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Ephesians 6:12
Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
-Matthew 15:14
"Warren went to Syria and could find no persecution of Christians . He could findno persecution of Jews . He could findno evidence of extremism . He could findno evidence of the sponsorship of terrorism ."
-Joseph Farah, "Megapastor Rick Warren's Damascus Road Experience," Nov 20, 2006, retrieved Nov 12, 2014 [wnd.com/2006/11/38958]
A few years ago, I watched a video of a Syrian child being executed (shot in the head) for theft. If they're willing to shoot a young boy in the head because he stole some food, what do you think they're willing to do to people who declare their prophet to be false?
(Read "Islam: A Religion of Terror" here at creationliberty.com for more details.)
Joseph Farah of World Net Daily had a short email exchange with Rick Warren over his preposterous statement about Syria:
"In fact, after I called him out last week in my column, Warren e-mailed me claiming to have been misquoted by the official Syrian news agency. 'Joseph, why didn’t you contact me first and discover the fact that I said nothing of the sort? ' he pleaded. 'The trip was a favor to my next door neighbor, had nothing to do with policy, and was done with the State Department’s knowledge – who told us to expect exactly what Syria did – a PR blast. I don’t pretend to be a diplomat. I’m a pastor who just gets invited places. ' I pointed out to Warren that WND had indeed attempted to contact him about his trip. No one from his Saddleback Church ever returned our calls the day the story broke. 'I’m sure since you were warned in advance by the State Department that you took the precaution of recording your own words ,' I suggested in my response. 'We look forward to seeing the transcripts or hearing the recordings .' I also asked if he could respond specifically to the words put in his mouth by the Syrian news agency. And lastly I suggested that he should have 'counseled with me, or other people knowledgeable about the Middle East before doing so much damage with your reckless trip .'
I really didn’t expect to hear back from Warren – but, a few minutes later, I did, with an absolutely stunning retort. He let me knowhe is a close friend of President Bush 'and many, if not most, of the generals at the Pentagon .'He also told me he did not tape anything while in Syria , 'because it was a courtesy call, like I do in every country .'Warren explained that he had also counseled with the National Security Council and the White House, as well as the State Department , before his little courtesy call for a neighbor. 'In fact ,' Warren added, 'as a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and Oxford Analytica, I might know as much about the Middle East as you .' He continued: 'I hope you’ll not choose to believe Syrian propaganda even though, as you pointed out at the start of your article, you’ve been wanting to criticize me for some time '...
No sooner had I received this surprising response from Warren, I also got an e-mail providing a link to a YouTube video of Rick Warren inSyria explaining how great the Assad regime treats Christians and Jews and how Damascus 'does not permit extremism of any kind .' Not one to let lies go unchallenged, I wrote back to Warren with a link to the YouTube video: 'If you didn’t tape anything, what’s this? Do you really believe Syria does not allow extremism of any kind? There are more terrorist organizations based in Syria than anywhere else in the world! ' It might be that Rick Warren, deep in the bush of Rwanda, never received those last questions, because he never responded – at least not in the last three days. He did, however,within minutes make sure the YouTube video he recorded independent of his meetings with the Syrian brown shirts was removed from the network . Vanished."
-Joseph Farah, "Megapastor Rick Warren's Damascus Road Experience," Nov 20, 2006, retrieved Nov 12, 2014 [wnd.com/2006/11/38958]
It's obvious Rick Warren is a liar, but for what reason? As a member of the CFR, we can only speculate, but the speculation is based on evidence because Warren may have tried to get his statement off the net, but wiser men made sure to back it up before he did.
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WARREN: "Syria is a place that has had Muslims and Christians living together for 1400 years. So |
So again, Rick Warren is a liar, but this is two-fold. First, because he lied about what he said, and second, because the U.S. Department of State, whom Warren claimed to have consulted before his trip, has had Syria on the list of state-sponsored terrorism since 1979:
”Syria has been on the U.S. list ofstate sponsors of terrorism since the list’s inception in 1979 .”
-U.S. Department of State, “U.S. Relations With Syria,” Mar 20, 2014, retrieved Nov 12, 2014, [state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/3580.htm]
I'm not saying I fully trust my government, but someone's lying, and based on the violence coming out of the Middle-East against Israel, I'd have to say it's Rick Warren in this instance. (Or both if you want to include the lies about Palestine.) Perhaps now you can see why Warren was so quick to remove that video of him saying this, especially after he had claimed to be so knowledgeable about the Middle-East.
(Read "Corruptions of Christianity: Islam - Two Major Lies Christians Need to Understand here at creationliberty.com for more details; the Jews are Palestinians, not the Arabs.)
For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
-1 Thessalonians 5:3
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Warren's Pagan Foundation
pantheism (n): the doctrine that God is the transcendent reality of which the material universe and human beings are only manifestations: it involves a denial of God's personality and expresses a tendency to identify God and nature
(See 'pantheism', Random House Dictionary, 2014, [www.dictionary.com]; See also Collins English Dictionary, 10th Edition, William Collins Sons & Co, 2009)
"This is God's ideal. In Eden, worship was not an event to attend, but a perpetual attitude; Adam and Eve were in constant communion with God. Because God is with you all the time, no place is any closer to God than the place where you are right now. The Bible says, 'He rules everything and is everywhere and is in everything. '"
-Rick Warren, The Purpose Driven Life: What on Earth Am I Here For?, Zondervan, 2008, p. 88, ISBN: 9780310296119
Nowhere does the Bible say that "God is in everything." If that is stated anywhere, it's in some new-age version that has altered the Word of God, and then Rick Warren takes on his own personal paraphrased interpretation of what he wants it to mean.
(Read "Why I Use the King James Bible" here at creationliberty.com for more details.)
Warren might profess a belief in a personal deity that involves a distinct character, but that's not what he actually believes in. In Warren Smith's expose on Rick Warren, he gives more detail:
"Warren seemed to be teaching what I had been taught by my New Age teachers and teachings: that God was 'in' everyone and everything. I wondered which one of his many Bible versions had told him that. His footnote told me that Ephesians 4:6 scripturehe was citing came from a Bible entitled the New Century Version ... The bible does not teach this. The New Century Version that Rick Warren quotes is dangerously mistaken in its translation of Ephesians 4:6... In fact, it didn't take me long to findthis same unbiblical principle in A Course in Miracles. The word 'purpose' was curiously prevalent throughout the teaching ,"
-Warren Smith, Deceived on Purpose, Mountain Stream Press, 2004, p. 81, ISBN: 0-9763492-0-5
Smith is correct, and the context of Ephesians 4 speaks to the unity of the Spirit in all of us called by God in the faith of Christ, which does not include Rick Warren and his cult followers until they repent and believe on the Jesus Christ of the Bible:
I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
-Ephesians 4:1-6
"God is in everything I see. The idea for today explain whyyou can see all purpose in everything . It explains why nothing is separate, by itself or in itself. And it explains why nothing you see means anything. In fact, it explains every idea we have used thus far, and all subsequent ones as well. Today's idea is the whole basis for vision. You will probably find this idea very difficult to grasp at this point. You may find it silly, irreverent, senseless, funny and even objectionable. Certainly God is not in a table, for example, as you see it. Yet we emphasized yesterday thata table shares the purpose of the universe. And what shares the purpose of the universe shares the purpose of its Creator. "
-Helen Schucman, A Course in Miracles - Manual For Teachers, Lesson 29, self-published, ISBN: 9781883360269
A Course in Miracles is a heretical book that teaches new-age philosophy, and has brought forth many modern-day heretics. These are just a few of the heresies taught in the book:
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But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
-2 Peter 2:1
"We take the real Universe and Nature as our starting and finishing point,not some preconceived idea of God . We feel a profound wonder and awe for these, in some ways similar to the reverence that believers in more conventional gods feel towards their deity, but without anthropomorphic worship or belief that Nature has a mind or personality that we can influence through prayer... We use the name pantheism because it has a long and venerable history.Our beliefs are entirely naturalistic, and compatible with atheism, humanism, agnosticism, universalism, and those forms of paganism that see magic and the gods as symbols rather than objective realities. "
-World Pantheism, quote from their home page, retrieved July 1, 2014, [www.pantheism.net]
When pantheists say they do not have a "preconceived idea of God," that means the presupposition that the Bible is Truth, and that God's Word is the final authority in all matters of faith and practice, is thrown out the window. Without the presupposition in the Word of God, then the faith in the Jesus Christ of the Bible is non-existent, no matter what someone claims to believe, which is why the Bible says they do NOT serve the Lord Jesus Christ:
For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
-Romans 16:18
-Rick Warren, Facebook Page, retrieved Dec 31, 2015, [facebook.com/pastorrickwarren/posts/10151119561420903]
Some people were shocked and/or laughing that he didn't know Paine was an atheist, but I disagree--I believe he DOES know Paine was an atheist. The problem is that atheism is compatible with Warren's belief system because his foundational teaching in A Course in Miracles was authored by an atheist:
"A Course in Miracles has been produced... byHelen Schucman, an atheist psychology professor at Columbia University. According to Schucman,from 1965 to 1972, the entire A Course in Miracles manuscript was 'scribed' under the direction of an inner voice Schucman knew to be Jesus Christ. The dictation began with the words, 'This is a course in miracles, please take notes.' The result would be 1,200 pages of spiritual-psychological revelation that would range over a 622-page textbook, a 478-page workbook, and a short explanatory manual, all presented as,in Marianne Williamson's words, a 'correction to Christianity--beginning from a premise of original innocence rather than one of original sin,' "
-Stephen Mansfield, Where Has Oprah Taken Us?: The Religious Influence of the World's Most Famous Woman, Thomas Nelson Inc, 2011, p. 122, ISBN: 9781595553089
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments [first teachings] of the world, and not after Christ.
-Colossians 2:8
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OPRAH: " WOMAN 1: "Well then how do you please God?" OPRAH: " WOMAN 1: "And I guess the danger that could be in that--I mean it sounds great on the onset, but if you really look at both sides-" OPRAH: " WOMAN 2: "What about Jesus?" OPRAH: "What about Jesus?" WOMAN 2: "You say there isn't only one way. There is one way, and only one way, and that is through Jesus." OPRAH: "There couldn't possibly be just one way." WOMAN 2: "Because you say there isn't. |
I'd like to point out that there is one thing Oprah said that was true; she said IF the works one does (e.g. kindness, lovingness, generosity) gets one to the same heaven as a born-again Christian, then it really doesn't matter whether people call it "God" or not. Yes, if God's Word was a works-based salvation, then she would be correct, but the problem is the Bible doesn't teach that:
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
-Ephesians 2:8-9
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
-Matthew 7:13-14
First of all, just his appearance on anything Oprah has hosted should be enough to keep away a discerning Christian, but also, Rick Warren does not present the truth of Christ in these sessions, which is apparent when reading the testimony of a Muslim in the audience, who begins his statement by quoting Warren:
"'You can waste your life. You can spend your life. Or you can invest your life. The best use of your life is to invest it in that which will outlast it. Invest it in serving others. And that's what it means to live a purpose-driven life.' This last quote really struck home with me.Islam is all about living a purpose-driven life. Our purpose on this earth is to worship God [Islam's pagan moon god 'Allah'] and live in a manner that is pleasing to Him . And that includes using our talent and wealth to make a positive impact on the less fortunate. By the end of the program, tears had been shed, 'hallelujahs' were cried out and souls were opened up to the possibility of living for something more in this life.I, along with the majority-female audience, left the show that day with a renewed sense of purpose and much spiritual food for thought. Aha overload indeed!"
-Wardah Khalid, "'I have Aha Moment Exhaustion!' My Afternoon With Oprah and Pastor Rick Warren," Oct 12, 2012, retrieved Nov 11, 2014, [huffingtonpost.com/wardah-khalid/aha-moment-exhaustion-afternoon-with-oprah-and-rick-warren_b_1953000.html]
Muslims can recognize their pagan moon god in Warren's teachings. The reason for this is because when Warren is asked for specific information on "God," he gives them a vague answer:
"What was really hard to watch is when a woman in Norway Skyped to say she realized she needed God butwanted to know who God is and she asked, 'What should I do?'...Instead of giving the gospel, Rick Warren seemed uncomfortable and finally just said something like, 'Go to God and find your purpose.' It was a terrible moment! The woman looked surprised and sad, like she was expecting something else. I prayed for her later and am hoping that the many Christians who witnessed this will pray for her. Not only that, butwhen Oprah referred to God, as she often did, Rick Warren agreed with her as though she was referring to the biblical God, which she was not ."
-Marcia Montenegro, "Rick Warren and Joel Osteen Join Hands With Oprah," Oct 6, 2012, retrieved Nov 11, 2014, [solasisters.com/2012/10/rick-warren-and-joel-osteen-join-hands_6.html]
The reason I wanted to show all these quotations is to demonstrate that Warren's "god" is a multi-purpose god that can be applied to anything and everyone, just as pantheists believe. The funny part about Warren's pantheistic "God is in everything" statement we read earlier is that he contradicts his own previous teachings back in 1997:
"God is not in everything. You hear this all the time. Everything is in God and God's in everything. That's a bunch of baloney! God is not in everything. God created everything. No doubt about that. ButGod is not in everything and everything is not God. That is called pantheism. It's about 5000 years old.The most ignorant groups of people bought into this ."
-Rick Warren, "Developing Trust," 1997, retrieved Nov 11, 2014 [www.brandonweb.com/sermons/sermonpages/deuteronomy13.htm]; See also Tamara Hartzell, In the Name of Purpose: Sacrificing Truth on the Altar of Unity, Xlibris Corporation, 2007, p. 122, ISBN: 9781425736262
In case there are any fanboys or fangirls out there who support Warren and hate that I'm teaching he's a pantheist, there's a quote directly from Warren defining his own teaching as pantheistic.
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Recently, Rick Warren has joined forces with a man called "Dr. Amen:" "The Centers for Disease Control says nearly half of all Americans suffer from chronic obesity, which is part of what inspired -Shoshana Davis, "Rick Warren, co-authors discuss their diet program, 'The Daniel Plan'," CBS News, Dec 4, 2013, retrieved Jan 8, 2016, [cbsnews.com/news/rick-warren-co-authors-on-their-diet-program-the-daniel-plan] Daniel Amen wrote a book called The Brain in Love, in which he endorses something called "tantra yoga," which in simple terms is sex yoga. If you decide to do research into this subject, I would exercise caution in what you look for because you'll mostly find pornography, but the websites that have "tantra specialists" use tantra as a part of black magic rituals to cast spells. After discussing sexual connections in the brain, Amen writes in his book: "Best known in the West are the several forms of -Daniel G. Amen, The Brain in Love: 12 Lessons to Enhance Your Love Life, Three Rivers Press, 2009, p. 146, ISBN: 9780307587893 I know this may not sound as sophisticated as Dr. Amen might prefer, but where I come from, that's called a sex orgy. He then goes on in his book to recommend potions for love and sex, which is complete witchcraft. This man was hand-picked by Rick Warren to minister to his congregation. What things do you think they'll learn from Dr. Amen? In addition, we saw Dr. Mark Hyman mentioned, and he was nominated to be on President Obama's health advisory group, which should tell you just about everything you need to know about how wicked Hyman really is. Hyman's job in Warren's church is to turn people on to Buddhist meditation: " -Mark Hyman, The UltraMind Solution: Fix Your Broken Brain by Healing Your Body First, Simon and Schuster, 2008, p. 384, ISBN: 9781416549710 To put a cherry on top of the sin sundae, Rick Warren also gets Oprah's pet Dr. Mehmet Oz to join his trio. I don't want to turn this into an expose on Dr. Oz, because that's something I may do separately in the future, but Oz has had witches on his show performing psychic medium cold readings. (See Dr. Oz, "Psychic Medium Laura Lynne Jackson Does a Reading," Nov 9, 2015, retrieved Jan 8, 2016, [doctoroz.com/episode/bobby-brown-opens-about-his-life-after-bobbi-kristina?video_id=4603118652001])  These are the things that Warren is allowing men to minister into the Saddleback Church congregation in addition to their diets. Not only is it a total abomination in the sight of God, but we have to ask ourselves, if Rick Warren is promoting these things, how much of this stuff has he participated in himself? |
The all-inclusive "God is in everything" message makes charismatic speakers a lot of money, and makes them very popular, because it is so highly esteemed by men, and I'm sure it didn't take Warren long to figure that out. This message of "whatever you say and do, it's okay because you'll go to heaven," is a feel-good message that scratches the itching ears of Warren's listeners, and gives them a justification to make up in their mind an idol that they call "God" after themselves, based on their own thoughts and feelings.
These things hast thou done, and I kept silence; thou thoughtest that I was altogether such an one as thyself: but I will reprove thee, and set them in order before thine eyes.
-Psalm 50:21
And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.
-Luke 16:15
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
-2 Timothy 4:3-4
Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them. And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.
-Isaiah 1:14-15
Exposing The Purpose-Driven Church
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Let's begin by listing some interesting facts about The Purpose-Driven Life, which is Warren's most well-known accomplishment. It's published by a company called "Zondervan," which is owned by HarperCollins Christian Publishing, who are also responsible for publishing the Satanic Bible by Anton LeVey, who started the First Church of Satan. (See Anton LaVey, Satanic Bible, Harper Collins, 1976, ISBN: 9780380015399) |
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(See Rick Warren, The Purpose Driven Life: What on Earth Am I Here For?, Zondervan, 2006, ISBN: 9780310276999
"This book contains nearly a thousand quotations from Scripture.I have intentionally varied the Bible translations used ... we often miss the full impact of familiar Bible verses, not because of poor translating, but simply because they have become so familiar... Therefore,I have deliberately used paraphrases in order to help you see God's truth in new, fresh ways."
-Rick Warren, The Purpose Driven Life: What on Earth Am I Here For?, Kenneth Dorn, 2012, Appendix 3, ISBN: 9780310335504
Rick Warren's foundational training is already based on heresies, and now he's going to mix and match verses from many different new-age versions in order to get the text to say what he wants it to say. What most of Warren's readers actually end up learning is his paraphrasing, which is not the Word of God, and does not contain the truth.
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And it's not just Warren's use of new-age versions, he also specifically attacks the King James Bible:[In Warren's section on "Preaching to the Unchurched," he tells people to:] "Read Scripture from a newer translation. With all the wonderful translations and |
According to Rick Warren, ANY version is acceptable, EXCEPT the King James Bible. However, Warren's precious NIV says: "
Again, I highly recommend reading our article, "Why I Use The King James Bible," in order to get the full understanding of why Rick Warren is so far out of line here. What he's claiming is preposterous on so many levels, it would take too much space to cover it all in this teaching, but being that the NIV was translated from the corrupt documentation out of the Roman Catholic Church, it's willful ignorance, pride, and laziness that leads people away from the sanctified Word of God in the KJB.
Not only does he turn the Bible into alphabet soup, but Warren (in The Purpose Driven Life) also quotes from a long list of incredibly worldly apostates and heretics to back up his claims:
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For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
-1 Corinthians 1:17
There is a heavy implication in the book that those who would dare to question Rick Warren are people who do not fulfill God's purpose, don't love others, and don't focus on important issues. Warren was asked how he deals with critiques, or in other words, people who would rebuke him for his heresies:
"He advised that if the criticism is true, leaders should listen and learn from it.If it is untrue, ignore it, he added. "
-Nicola Menzie, "Rick Warren Talks Leadership Traps, Handling 'Haters and Critics' at Hillsong Conference," Christian Post, July 2, 2013, retrieved Jan 7, 2016, [christianpost.com/news/rick-warren-talks-leadership-traps-handling-haters-and-critics-at-hillsong-conference-99247]
That's obvious for anyone in any field doing anything; he's just giving a vague answer. What I want people to notice is that he doesn't tell them to search the Scriptures for truth, nor does he say that anywhere in the interview, but rather that people decide for themselves if something is true or not. (i.e. If they don't like the message, then it becomes "untrue.")
"Conflict is usually a sign that the focus has shifted to less important issues, things the Bible calls 'disputable matters .' When we focus on personalities, preferences, interpretations, styles, or methods,division always happens. But if we concentrate on loving each other and fulfilling God's purposes, harmony results."
-Rick Warren, The Purpose-Driven Life: What on Earth Am I Here For?, Zondervan, 2002, p. 162, ISBN: 9780310205715
It's important to point out this commonly-referenced Scripture about "disputable matters" in Romans 14, because that's not what it says.
Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
-Romans 14:1-2
doubtful (adj): ambiguous, not clear in its meaning, uncertain
disputation (n): argumentation, opposition, controversy
(See 'doubtful' & 'disputation', American Dictionary of the English Language, Noah Webster, 1828, retrieved Mar 12, 2016 [webstersdictionary1828.com])
Warren takes the phrase "disputable matters" from a new-age version, and that phrase has a completely different meaning; a subjective one. In other words, Warren may listen to the Biblical rebuke of someone exposing his heresy, but he will ignore it because he will call it a "disputable matter," or a matter that is not worth calling into question.
What Warren ignores are these verses:
Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees... Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.
-Matthew 16:6-12
For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake... This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
-Titus 1:10-13
Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear. I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality [i.e. playing favorites].
-1 Timothy 5:20-21
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them... But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
-Ephesians 5:11-13
"Nothing on earth is more valuable to God than his church. He paid the highest price for it, and he wants it protected, especially from thedevastating damage that is caused bydivision, conflict, and disharmony ."
(See Rick Warren, The Purpose-Driven Life: What on Earth Am I Here For?, Zondervan, 2002, p. 162, ISBN: 9780310205715)
Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.
-Luke 12:51
Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
-Romans 16:17-18
(Read "Did Christ Come to Bring Peace?" here at creationliberty.com for more details.)
When Warren says that division causes "
"God warns us over and over not to criticize, compare, or judge each other ... When you criticize what another believer is doing in faith and from sincere conviction,you are interfering with God’s business ."
(See Rick Warren, The Purpose-Driven Life: What on Earth Am I Here For?, Zondervan, 2002, p. 164, ISBN: 9780310205715)
In case you didn't fully understand what Warren just said: If anyone says to you, "God told me this," you are not to question them under any circumstance, or you are not following God. In fact, not only are you not following God for daring to question the man/woman that said this to you, but you're actually working against God; that's Warren's teaching.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
-1 Corinthians 2:14-15
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
-John 7:24
Yea, and why even of yourselves judge ye not what is right?
-Luke 12:57
(Read "Unbiblical Cop-Outs: Don't Judge Me!" here at creationliberty.com for more details.)
Rick Warren has not only stripped the important distinguishing qualities of a Christian from his "ministry," but he has also taught church buildings to restructure everything they do to make it more attractive to the world. Noah Hutchings wrote a book called The Dark Side of the Purpose Driven Church, in which he studied the hidden structure in which pastors are encouraged to completely change the way their church building operates. He describes 24 general changes church buildings need to make to become a Rick Warren church, which I would like to review.
-Noah Hutchings, The Purpose-Driven Plan to Destroy The Church, retrieved Jan 7, 2016, [swrc.com/media/pdfs/Going%20PDC.pdf]
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Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
-1 John 2:15
(Read "What's Wrong With Christian Rock?" here at creationliberty.com for more details.)
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But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
-Matthew 6:7
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
-Jeremiah 17:9
He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.
-Proverbs 28:26
Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
-1 Corinthians 14:20
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They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
-John 17:16
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(Read "Is the One-Pastor Church System Biblical?" here at creationliberty.com for more details.)
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But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them. But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister; And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant: Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
-Matthew 20:25-28
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"The P.E.A.C.E. Plan, a 'Purpose-driven-Missions' Global plan started by mega-church pastor Rick Warren, is a massive outreach effort led by small groups to -Pearl Onishi, "P.E.A.C.E. Plan to be Revealed at Pilot Briefing," Christian Post, Sept 2, 2005, retrieved Jan 7, 2016, [christianpost.com/news/p-e-a-c-e-plan-to-be-revealed-at-pilot-briefing-3836] It sounds so good on the surface, but as we've already seen, Rick Warren has a perverted version of "spiritual sight" and "good leadership." The problem is that those who would teach the truth of Christ's Gospel are considered "spiritually blind" and "corrupt people" in the eyes of Rick Warren, because those born-again Christians have learned from the Word of God that division and sanctification is necessary to keep the Body of Christ pure, holy, and presentable before the Lord Jesus Christ. (Read "Did Christ Come to Bring Peace?" here at creationliberty.com for more details.) Warren announced his PEACE plan at his 25th Saddleback Church anniversary, and opened the service by singing Jimi Hendrix's Purple Haze. "'You know,' Warren said, grabbing the microphone, 'there are two things I’ve always wanted to do in a stadium.' He turned his body sideways, -Malcolm Gladwell, "The Cellular Church: How Rick Warren's congregation grew," The New Yorker, Sept 12, 2005, retrieved Jan 12, 2016, [newyorker.com/magazine/2005/09/12/the-cellular-church]
Warren starts off by quoting the words of devils, then later tells everyone in his audience: "My hope is for -Rick Warren, quoted by Dan Wooding, "Author of Purpose Driven Life, Rick Warren, Unveils Peace Plan to Mobilize One Billion Believers in a Worldwide Spiritual Awakening," Breaking Christian News, Apr 18, 2005, retrieved Jan 12, 2016, [breakingchristiannews.com/articles/display_art.html?ID=563] Understand that most of what Warren says is vague and can be interpreted in a variety of ways. It is precisely this vagueness that allows all pagan unbelievers everywhere, even those who falsely claim to be of Christ, to be united under a common belief of "change," but vague change, just like Barack Obama and his "change" campaign. Rick Warren's peace plan has nothing to do with belief and doctrine of Christ, to lead sinners to repentance, but rather, it is founded on works: "I'm looking for a second reformation. The first reformation of the church 500 years ago was about beliefs. This one is going to be about behavior. -Rick Warren, "Rick Warren's Second Reformation," Belief Net, retrieved Jan 12, 2015, [beliefnet.com/Faiths/Christianity/2005/10/Rick-Warrens-Second-Reformation.aspx]
Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees. And they reasoned among themselves, saying, It is because we have taken no bread. Which when Jesus perceived, he said unto them, O ye of little faith, why reason ye among yourselves, because ye have brought no bread?... Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees. Like Billy Graham and Robert Schuller before him, Rick Warren is yet another stepping stone for the world to walk the path to the one-world religion and one-world order of the final antichrist. |
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ambiguous (adj): open to or having several possible meanings or interpretations; lacking clearness or definiteness; difficult to comprehend; uncertain
(See 'ambiguous', Random House Dictionary, 2016, [www.dictionary.com]; See also Collins English Dictionary, 10th Edition, William Collins Sons & Co, 2012)
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Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
-Acts 17:29
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Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
-James 4:8-10
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
-Galatians 5:19-21
revel (v): to feast with loose and clamorous merriment
(See 'perish', American Dictionary of the English Language, Noah Webster, 1828, retrieved Jan 12, 2016 [webstersdictionary1828.com])
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
-2 Corinthians 13:5
reprobate (n): a person abandoned to sin
(See 'reprobate', American Dictionary of the English Language, Noah Webster, 1828, retrieved Jan 12, 2016 [webstersdictionary1828.com])
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I had originally prepared a bunch of quotations here on a teaching Rick Warren did called "How to Be Certain You're Going to Heaven," but I decided not to quote anything specific in it because it was a total waste of my time in which he didn't actually answer that question as much as he addressed the question, "How to know if God loves you." After putting up with a half hour of his boasting about football stars calling him, and his three-minute long commercials with the "buy our stuff" message, in short, he answered the question of how to know God loves you by saying:
"He wants you to feel it; to experience it; to understand it; to feel it in your soul. Most people have never felt the unconditional love of God. Because when you feel it, it transforms your life...the day you actually feel totally loved by God, after that day, you will never again have to deal with inferiority, or insecurity, or low self-esteem, or the depression that comes from a feeling of worthlessness. "
-Rick Warren, "How to Be Certain You're Going to Heaven," Daily Hope with Rick Warren, Part 1, Jan 12, 2015, [rickwarren.org/listen/player/?bid=3bde68cd-2242-42e9-8970-1f9c4391cb3b]
This message is the "feel-good" message that is in direct opposition to the Word of God. There is no repentance of sin whatsoever.
O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
-Romans 7:24
Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
-Revelation 3:17
Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the LORD: look unto the rock whence ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged.
-Isaiah 51:1
What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?
-Psalm 8:4
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
-Acts 17:30
Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
-Acts 8:22
These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
-Proverbs 6:16-19
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
-Romans 9:13
He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.
-Proverbs 28:26
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"So then I asked myself, what kind of church are we going to be? And I decided,why don’t we be a church for people who hate church ? And so I went out and for twelve weeks I went door to door, and I knocked on homes for about 12 weeks and just took an opinion poll. I had a survey with me. I just said, 'My name is Rick Warren. I'm not here to sell you anything, I'm not here to convert you,I'm not here to witness to you. I just want to ask you three or four questions. Question number one: Are you an active member of a local church – of any kind of religion – synagogue, mosque, whatever?'If they said yes, I said, 'Great, God bless you, keep going ,' and I politely excused myself and went to the next home.When I’d find somebody who’d say, 'No, I don’t go anywhere,' I’d say, 'Perfect; you’re just the kind of guy I want to talk to. This is great, you don’t go anywhere. So let me ask you a question. Why do you think most people don’t attend church?' AndI just wrote the answers down. I asked, 'If you were looking for a church, what kind of things would you look for?' And I’d just list them. "
-Rick Warren, "Myths of the Modern Megachurch," Pew Research Center, May 23, 2005, retrieved Jan 13, 2015, [pewforum.org/2005/05/23/myths-of-the-modern-megachurch]
Warren believes in a philosophy of the devil that says if you go to church, you go to heaven, so to him, it's simply a matter of making the church like the world so people go to church. It's ridiculous, childish, and totally heretical to any teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ, but Warren believes it anyway because he doesn't have a love of the truth.
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
-2 Thessalonians 2:10
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Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.
-Jeremiah 17:5
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"Church Transitions, an associate of Saddleback Church in California, trains the clique initiating the change in eight published steps. The church membership is not to be informed of the transition until the fourth step. After the sixth step in the process of change, if there are some in the church who voice concerns, the following is suggested:
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1. -Noah Hutchings, The Purpose-Driven Plan to Destroy The Church, retrieved Jan 7, 2016, [swrc.com/media/pdfs/Going%20PDC.pdf] |
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
-Matthew 5:11
The Origins of Warren's Philosophy
"An indisputed fact is thatI am the founder, really, of the church-growth movement in this country ... I advocated and launched what has become known as the marketing approach in Christianity...The secret of winning unchurched people into the church is really quite simple. Find out what would impress the nonchurched in your community and then shape your church to meet their expectations. "
-Robert Schuller, quoted by Gregory A. Pritchard, Willow Creek Seeker Services: Evaluating a New Way of Doing Church, Baker Books, 1995, p. 51 ISBN: 9781441215239
This connection between Warren and Schuller is not well-known today because Warren has made effort to cover up his connection to Schuller. For example, World Net Daily reported in their interview with Warren:
"[Warren said:] 'I always own up to mistakes that I actually do. I just won’t own up to mistakes that weren’t really a mistake.' Many false claims, he contended, have taken on a life of their own on Internet blogs, such asassertions he was mentored by positive-thinking pastor Robert Schuller ... 'I've only met Robert Schuller twice, I believe.I've never had a one-on-one conversation with him. Not once. So how do I even know him?'"
-Art Moore, "Rick Warren: 'I Always Own Up to Mistakes'," World Net Daily, Dec 11, 2007, retrieved Jan 13, 2016, [wnd.com/2007/12/44969]
I have no doubt that Rick Warren owns up to his mistakes (not his lies though; he does those intentionally), and I wouldn't argue that he hasn't had a one-on-one conversation with Schuller. However, he doesn't have to have met Robert Schuller in order to have been heavily influenced by his doctrine. Rick's wife Kay gave us more detailed information than Rick was willing to share:
"During his last year in seminary, -Tim Stafford, "A Regular Purpose-Driven Guy: Rick Warren's genius is in helping pastors see the obvious," Christianity Today, Nov 18, 2002, retrieved Jan 8, 2016, [christianitytoday.com/ct/2002/november18/1.42.html?start=3] |
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Warren is being very careful with his words, knowing that if he says he never had a one-on-one conversation with Schuller, then people will walk away thinking there is no connection between him and Schuller, and people like me are just liars. I have never met and shook hands with Paul the apostle of Christ, but I have been heavily influenced by the things he wrote in the Word of God, and likewise, Warren was heavily influenced by Robert Schuller.
Schuller said:
"What has been accomplished already through this church is phenomenal because of the dedicated members and friends we have.I see the results today of the Institute for Successful Church Leadership which we dared to launch 35 years ago and it is still going strong. Hereministers are inspired to believe in their dreams and to present the good news of the gospel in positive terms. Andsome of those students are well-known ... there'sRick Warren, a pastor who today is phenomenal. He came to our institute time after time. And in 'Christianity Today,' his wife was quoted as saying, 'When we came to that institute, we were blown away.' How God has blessed him. And today Rick Warren is blessing millions of people. "
-Robert Schuller, "What Will Be The Future of This Ministry?" Hour of Power, May 15, 2004, retrieved Jan 13, 2015, [hourofpower.org.hk/data/readdata100/readeng-129-text.html]
In fact, Robert Schuller is quoted at the beginning of Rick Warren's book, The Purpose Driven Church:
"I'm praying that every pastor will read this book, believe it, be prepared to stand corrected by it, and change to match its sound, scriptural wisdom.Rick Warren is the one all of us should listen to and learn from ."
-Robert H. Schuller, quoted by Rick Warren, The Purpose Driven Church: Growth Without Compromising Your Message and Mission, Zondervan, 2007, ISBN: 9780310294085
Many people don't realize that Warren graduated from Schuller's school. This author noted something interesting posted on Robert Schuller's website back in 2004:
"You're Invited to Discover a Fantastic New Dream for Your Church! The theme for 2004Robert H. Schuller Institute for Successful Church Leadership is, If You Can Dream It You Can Do It! Dare to dream that your church can overcome, can succeed, and can make a difference in your community and in your world today... Send your pastors and lay church leaders to the 34th Robert H. Schuller Institute for Successful Church Leadership; which brings together the most prominent pastors who make faith come alive in some of the country's largest churches, like Bill Hybels of Willow Creek Community Church, andRick Warren of Saddleback Church , bothgraduates of the Institute ."
-Warren Smith, Deceived on Purpose, Mountain Stream Press, 2004, p. 80, ISBN: 0-9763492-0-5
So I went to the Hour of Power website, and found this from Schuller:
"The Institute [for Successful Church Leadership] was started out of my love and concern for the pastors and churches that were coming to me for help. Since its beginning, some 50,000 pastors have come and heard the principles for church growth.Among those who attended in those first years are today the pastors of the largest churches in America, including Bill Hybels andRick Warren ..."
-Robert H. Schuller, "The Shoe Can't Tell The Foot How Big To Grow," Jan 10, 2010, retrieved Dec 31, 2014, [www.hourofpower.org/messages/detail.php?contentid=5222]
From personal speculation, I believe the reason Warren has disconnected from Schuller is because Schuller ran a very traditional Catholic-style church building. (Most church buildings today are designed after the Catholic Church and they are blind to it.) Because Warren wants to disconnect from anything considered tradition, he also wants to disconnect from Schuller. I also believe it's partially because Rick Warren wants to get credit for coming up with all this himself, since he loves to be glorified before men.
For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
-2 Timothy 3:2
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"God chooses us to serve his purpose. 'You did not choose me, but I chose you.' -Robert H. Schuller, Here's Happiness, C.R. Gibson Company, 1987, p. 1, ISBN: 9780837818269
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. |
"I don't know any betterantidote to low self-esteem than to read God's Word every day... and apply it in your life ."
-Rick Warren, "Eliminate Negative Self-Talk," Daily Hope with Rick Warren, May 21, 2014, retrieved Jan 13, 2016, [rickwarren.org/devotional/english/eliminate-negative-self-talk_255]
But the Bible tells me the opposite:
Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves. Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.
-Phillipians 2:3-4
Furthermore, the grand reputations they have formed for themselves, is condemned in the same chapter:
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
-Phillipians 2:5-8
We quote Robert Schuller in "Wolves in Costume: Billy Graham" and provided video of a live interview between Graham and Schuller in which both of them asserted that all men everywhere would get to heaven by any means, no matter which false doctrine they followed. To Schuller, it's all about making people feel good, and never preaching to them the truth about their sin, as he demonstrated on a Larry King Live interview:
"KING: To Victoria, British Columbia, hello.
CALLER: I'd like to know what your position is on gay marriage. I'm not actually a Christian but I was wondering what your positions are.
SCHULLER: I am addicted to excellence, totally committed to excellence. That's where I'm coming from. It's a different position on this and any time there's a controversy, choose the interpretation that is more excellent. AndI feel that heterosexual marriage is the more excellent way, and it surely is approved holy by the Holy Bible , and it holds so many more possibilities...I want you to know we've had homosexuals as representatives of our church the last 40 years ."
-Larry King & Robert H. Schuller, "Interview with Former President George H.W. Bush; Evangelists Robert Schuller and Son Discuss Ministry," Jan 23, 2006, retrieved Dec 31, 2014, [transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/23/lkl.01.html]
Schuller has the same "come as you are and stay as you are" doctrine that eliminates any repentance. Warren follows along:
"During an interview this week with the Huffington Post...Hill asked Warren if he believes homosexuals will go to Hell, he replied that they will not. 'No, not because they’re gay,' he said. 'We go to Hell because we choose to reject the grace of God.' When Hill asked what happens toa homosexual that accepts Jesus, Warren responded enthusiastically. 'He’s going to Heaven!' he declared. 'Without a doubt.' "
-Heather Clark, "Rick Warren Uncertain if Homosexual Behavior is Sinful, Says 'Gays' Go to Heaven," Christian News, Nov 29, 2012, retrieved Jan 13, 2016, [christiannews.net/2012/11/29/rick-warren-uncertain-if-homosexual-behavior-is-sinful-says-gays-go-to-heaven]
Again, Warren excludes repentance, and the vague term "acceptance" is applied to everyone who says "I accept God." He believes that a person who claims to be of Christ, and actively lives a sodomite lifestyle, is of God. Warren makes specific effort to yoke himself together with sodomites like Elton John, who asked Warren what would happen if they kissed, to which Warren (jokingly) replied it would be:
"The kiss heard 'round the world.' "
-Rick Warren, quoted by Anugrah Kumar, "Rick Warren Says Foreign Gov'ts 'Not Nearly as Afraid of the Church as' US; Testifies With Elton John to Urge Congress Not to Cut AIDS Funding," Christian Post, May 7, 2015, retrieved Jan 13, 2016, [christianpost.com/news/rick-warren-foreign-govts-not-nearly-as-afraid-of-the-church-as-us-testifies-with-elton-john-to-urge-congress-not-to-cut-aids-funding-138772]
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
-1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Schuller and Rick Warren both follow pantheistic teaching that we covered above:
"Yes, God is alive andHe is in every single human being !"
-Robert H. Schuller, "The Hour of Power," broadcast Nov 9, 2003
He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
-1 John 4:8
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
-1 John 2:15
"During the inaugural Peter Drucker Forum in Vienna celebrating Drucker’s 100th birthday in 2009,Rick Warren, author of The Purpose Driven Life and founding pastor of the Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, Calif., talked about his mentor’s breadth of influence. 'I'm often embarrassed at how often I quote Peter Drucker ,' Warren said. 'He had a way of saying things simply. Peter was far more than the founder of modern management, far more than a brilliant man, one of the greatest minds of the 20th century.He was a great soul. If I summed up Peter’s life in three words, it would be integrity, humility and generosity ... Peter was the only truly Renaissance man I’ve ever known. He had a way of looking at the world in a systems view that said it all matters.'"
-John H. Ostdick, "Peter Drucker: The Father of Management Theory," Success, June 7, 2010, retrieved Jan 13, 2016, [success.com/article/peter-drucker-the-father-of-management-theory]
"Peter Drucker was actually my mentor for about 25 years , and his birthday is coming up next week – his 100th birthday. He died five years ago at 95, andI spent 25 years going to his house, sitting with him, talking with him on leadership. He had a profound influence on my life. And they asked me to be the keynote speaker in his hometown in Vienna. So I’m going to do that in Austria next week."
-Rick Warren, quoted in transcript, "The Future of Evangelicals: A Conversation with Pastor Rick Warren," Pew Research Center, Nov 13, 2009, retrieved Jan 13, 2016, [pewforum.org/2009/11/13/the-future-of-evangelicals-a-conversation-with-pastor-rick-warren]
Warren attempts to deny the years of influence he received from Robert Schuller, but is very open about his 25 years of influence from Peter Drucker. Who is Drucker, and why is he so important to Rick?
The Drucker Institute's official website gives us an overview:
"Peter F. Drucker was a writer, professor, management consultant and self-described 'social ecologist ,' who explored the way human beings organize themselves and interact much the way an ecologist would observe and analyze the biological world. Hailed by BusinessWeek as 'the man who invented management,' Drucker directly influenced a huge number of leaders from a wide range of organizations across all sectors of society. Among the many: General Electric, IBM, Intel, Procter & Gamble, Girl Scouts of the USA, The Salvation Army, Red Cross, United Farm Workers and several presidential administrations. "
-Drucker Institute, "Peter Drucker's Life and Legacy," retrieved Jan 14, 2016, [druckerinstitute.com/peter-druckers-life-and-legacy]
In case you may not understand from the description on his website, Drucker helped to make several major wicked corporate cartels into what they are today. (e.g. P&G, GE, etc) Drucker's goal was to aid those who wished to destroy the free market economy the U.S. once had:
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What readers need to understand is that Drucker, for the most part, invented what we know as the corporate business structure and methods that we experience today in the work place. All the frustrations we have expressed about companies not concerned about their workers, workers' input being ignored and more focus put on company policy instead, and the general management that many people complain about when working for a company is mostly thanks to Drucker's influence into the philosophy of business.
Drucker's overall philosophy was that the individual worker was irrelevant, and that companies should push a worker's focus into being a part of something bigger than themselves, creating a false feeling of importance, so that they can feel fulfilled to somehow change the world in their otherwise meaningless lives if they simply adhere to company goals. In short, the vision of the company CEO is paramount, and workers should feel important that they carry out his/her vision. Based on everything we've read about Rick Warren so far, this should be making a lot of sense to readers, since his entire "Purpose Driven Church" is based on that same concept.
Later in his life, Drucker, desiring to make a difference in the world, slightly turned from the corporate businesses, and focused his attention to non-profit corporations. He believed that non-profit church corporations (i.e. mega-churches) could solve the problems of the world by developing in the same way as the business corporation.
(Read "501c3: The Devil's Church" here at creationliberty.com for more details.)
Drucker said:
"Society needs a return to spiritual values--not to offset the material but to make it fully productive. However remote its realization for the great mass of mankind, there is today the promise of material abundance or at least of material sufficiency. There is the vision of economic development by means of which man can break the fetters of want that have always made Mammon the master rather than the servant of man. To what ends then should we use the material?"
-Peter Drucker, Landmarks of Tomorrow: A Report on the New, Transaction Publishers, 2011, p. 264, ISBN: 9781412814133
You can see Drucker's philosophical struggle about materialism being the motivating factor of corporate business. He realizes that money cannot solve all problems, and that people end up worshiping it, making all their decisions by it. So he concludes:
"Mankind needs the return to spiritual values, for it needs compassion.It needs the deep experience that the Thou and the I are one, which all higher religions share. "
-Peter Drucker, Landmarks of Tomorrow: A Report on the New, Transaction Publishers, 2011, p. 264-265, ISBN: 9781412814133
Some of you may not quite understand what he's saying because you've never heard of "Thou and I are one," and that's because he's referring to a German philosopher named Martin Buber that published a book called Ich und Du, which translates I and Thou. Buber believed that existence was made up of experiences one himself ("I") would have in contrast to the experiences others ("Thou") would have, and that mankind can only find meaningfulness in life through those interactions, which he called relationships. In a nutshell, Buber believed that the way to experience "God" was through relationships with others, and that once again shares the pantheistic view (i.e. God is in everyone and everything) that Rick Warren, Robert Schuller, and Peter Drucker all believe.
Because of Rick Warren's endorsement of Drucker, some people have gotten the idea that he was a Christian, but Drucker said:
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Soren Kierkegaard was a 19th century existentialist philosopher (who claimed to be a born-again Christian), which basically means he wrote about man's feelings as the foundations for mankind's knowledge. If any of you have listened to Rick Warren's preaching, you will already know that he preaches with that philosophy, that the foundation of his belief is on feelings of hearts, and not the Word of God. Drucker attempted to take this philosophy from Kierkegaard and his reflection on the individual, and go one step further to create a solution that would impact society as a whole.
"In spite of his need and search,Christianity and the churches have been unable to provide a religious social solution. All they can do today is to give the individual religion. They cannot give a new society and a new community. Personal religious experience may be invaluable to the individual; it may restore his peace, may give him a personal God and rational understanding of his own function and nature. But it cannot re-create society and cannot make social community life sensible...like Kierkegaard , for whom God was a purely personal, untranslatable, and uncommunicable experience whichonly emphasized his own isolation and loneliness, and the utter irrationality of society ."
-Peter Drucker, The End of Economic Man: The Origins of Totalitarianism, Transaction Publishers, 2011, p. 102, ISBN: 9781412814058
The problem with all this is that Drucker was not of Christ, and without the Lord Jesus Christ, there is no solution. Every idea that will be created from the minds of these men will only lead people into further deception because without Christ, all the thoughts and imaginations of the heart are only evil continually.
And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
-Genesis 6:5
But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward.
-Jeremiah 7:24
For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
-Isaiah 55:8
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
-Romans 1:20-22
For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
-2 Corinthians 10:3-5
"Over the last 20 years Drucker has had a good deal of interaction with what he calls 'pastoral' churches. These include mega-churches like Bill Hybel's Willow Creek orRick Warren's Saddleback Community. Bob Buford's Leadership Network has invited Drucker to speak to conferences of large-church leaders and has linked him to many pastors seeking advice. "
-Tim Stafford, "The Business of the Kingdom: Management guru Peter Drucker thinks the future of America is in the hands of churches," Christianity Today, Nov 15, 1999, retrieved Jan 14, 2016, [christianitytoday.com/ct/1999/november15/9td042.html]
Drucker started working with Bob Buford to raise up potential leaders for this movement, and they had to teach these young men what to do:
"Buford helped take a new approach to ministry, a reinvention of American Protestantism, and fused it with leadership savvy, the principles he learned from Peter Drucker... Together, Buford and Drucker made a huge impact on the direction of the church. Simply put, your church probably sings like a Calvary Chapel, but is led like a Saddleback. Those two men are part of the reason why... About 30 years ago,Buford pioneered Leadership Network and began to influence the influencers. He invested his time to train the trainers. He sought to create learning communitiesthat might foster mutual learning among high capacity leaders. He did this early on with men like Bill Hybels,Rick Warren , and Robert Lewis."
-Ed Stetzer, "A Catalyst that Fostered a Movement: Thoughts on Bob Buford and Leadership Network," Christianity Today, Apr 9, 2014, retrieved Jan 14, 2016
In order to get the population to support these new pastors, they have to find out what the population wants, and give it to them:
"Considerthe pastoral megachurches that have been growing so very fast in the U.S. since 1980 and that are surely the most important social phenomenon in American society in the last 30 years. There are now some 20,000 of them, and while traditional denominations have steadily declined, the megachurches have exploded. They have done so becausethey asked 'What is value?' to a nonchurchgoer and came up with answers the older churches had neglected to provide. "
-Peter Drucker, "Management's New Paradimgs," Forbes, Oct 5, 1998, retrieved Jan 14, 2016, [forbes.com/global/1998/1005/0113052a.html]
At the beginning of this section we read a quote from Robert Schuller that said, "
Before that, I had quoted Rick Warren in a Florida conference saying, "
But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
-1 Corinthians 5:11-13
The Tongue of a Viper
O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
-Matthew 12:34
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
-Colossians 2:8
| Rick Warren speaks to a crowd of unbelievers, who have no repentance in their hearts, and gives them of the promises of God that are meant for those born-again in Christ. Meanwhile, he avoids defining any of the terms he uses, and brainwashes his audience by letting them fill in the blanks with their own interpretations. |
Because Warren teaches unbelievers to go by their feelings, each man in the audience feels right in his own eyes, and because he gets a good feeling about it, he then thinks Warren is a wonderful preacher. So actually it's not Warren they think is wonderful, but themselves because Warren teaches them the false doctrine of learning to love yourself.
Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts.
-Proverbs 12:15
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
-Jeremiah 17:9
There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
-Proverbs 14:12
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud... Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
-2 Timothy 3:1-5
Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
-1 Corinthians 14:1
Warren then says:
"He said it [love] needs to be your number one priority. Your primary objective. Your greatest ambition. Your life purpose. He's saying don't put love in your top ten, likeone of the things I want to do in my life is have good loving relationships ."
-Rick Warren, "40 Days of Love Small Group Bible Study by Rick Warren," Zondervan, Feb 14, 2013, retrieved Jan 15, 2016, [youtube.com/watch?v=XEhyxGhxFvM]
Remember earlier we had analyzed Rick Warren's mentors, and how the philosophy of Drucker was based on the "I and Thou," which is the pagan philosophy of discovering God through relationships between people. That's Warren's definition of love, but he doesn't directly tell people that, he quotes a corrupt new-age version and lets them fill in the blanks on their own. This philosophy of "God is found in relationships" is littered throughout Warren's teaching, and every time you hear him speak of "love" in the Bible, this is his true definition of the word.
"It's as if God is writing it in capital letters:Relationships, love, is what matters most in life. "
-Rick Warren, "40 Days of Love Small Group Bible Study by Rick Warren," Zondervan, Feb 14, 2013, retrieved Jan 15, 2016, [youtube.com/watch?v=XEhyxGhxFvM]
This is one of the only places I've ever heard a general definition of what Warren really means by what he's saying, but most people don't catch it because they don't know about the pagan philosophies he believes behind the scenes. Rick Warren continues cheapening the love of God and the blood sacrifice of our Lord Jesus Christ by quoting from the Backstreet Boys:
This is a statement that builds pride in self-love. It makes mankind believe they are so valuable and so amazing that the Lord God just can't function properly without us. Warren's statement is based on the emotion of worldly lust, not the love of God.
"God's love is not based on your performance on what you do.It's based on the fact that he chooses to love you unconditionally. "
-Rick Warren, "How to Be Certain You're Going to Heaven," Daily Hope with Rick Warren, Part 1, Jan 12, 2015, [rickwarren.org/listen/player/?bid=3bde68cd-2242-42e9-8970-1f9c4391cb3b]
According to Rick Warren, God loves everyone no matter what, and as we covered earlier, the Bible does not say this. God did love mankind first, as it states in John 3, which Warren often quotes:
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
-John 3:16-17
"I happen to know people who are followers of Christ in other religions. "
-Rick Warren, quoted at the Aspen Ideas Festival, The Aspen Institute, July 6, 2005, “Discussion: Religion and Leadership,” with David Gergen; See also Tamara Hartzell,
He doesn't bother to keep reading to the next verse:
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
-John 3:18
He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
-1 John 5:12
Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
-Matthew 10:32-33
"Satan uses hurt and he uses pain in your life to deceive you... if he can get you angry,guilty, or ashamed , he knows you're going to miss your true identity...All shame comes from Satan, it doesn't come from God ."
-Rick Warren, "Learning My True Identity In Christ," Saddleback Church, Oct 13, 2014, retrieved Jan 13, 2016, [youtube.com/watch?v=AolN3_JldmI]
But thou hast saved us from our enemies, and hast put them to shame that hated us.
-Psalm 44:7
But thou hast cast off, and put us to shame; and goest not forth with our armies.
-Psalm 44:9
The days of his youth hast thou shortened: thou hast covered him with shame. Selah.
-Psalm 89:45
Then they killed the passover on the fourteenth day of the second month: and the priests and the Levites were ashamed, and sanctified themselves, and brought in the burnt offerings into the house of the LORD.
-2 Chronicles 30:15
Fill their faces with shame; that they may seek thy name, O LORD.
-Psalm 38:16
And said, O my God, I am ashamed and blush to lift up my face to thee, my God: for our iniquities are increased over our head, and our trespass is grown up unto the heavens.
-Ezra 9:6
And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.
-2 Thessalonians 3:14
And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
-1 John 2:28
For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.
-Phillipians 3:18-19
"[Satan] says... you could never do anything right. "
-Rick Warren, "Learning My True Identity In Christ," Saddleback Church, Oct 13, 2014, retrieved Jan 13, 2016, [youtube.com/watch?v=AolN3_JldmI]
But the Word of God says:
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
-Romans 3:10-12
"I love you period. I love you in spite of yourself. I love you regardless of what you do for me. I love you. That's real love.That's the kind of love God has for you; it's unconditional love. "
-Rick Warren, "Learning My True Identity In Christ," Saddleback Church, Oct 13, 2014, retrieved Jan 13, 2016, [youtube.com/watch?v=AolN3_JldmI]
Certainly, the Lord God has loved those born-again in Christ before we were born-again, and that he has done for us before we had understanding, but Rick Warren teaches his audience that they are all children of God, without repentance, no matter what they say and do.
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
-2 Corinthians 6:14-18
(Read "False Converts & Eternal Security" here at creationliberty.com for more details.)
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
-Luke 6:46
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
-John 10:27
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
-Matthew 7:21-23
(Read "Is Repentance Part of Salvation?" here at creationliberty.com for more details.)
Certainly, as Paul wrote, nothing can separate us from the love of God, but that was written to those born-again, not to those who are unsaved, sitting in Rick Warren's deceptive church building, hearkening to all his lies.
According to Rick Warren's own teaching, his ministry is stupid. This is not a railing comment; this is from Warren's own mouth:
"When God puts a thought in your mind, we call it inspiration... when Satan puts a thought in your mind, we call that temptation.When you get a thought in your mind, we call that stupidity. "
-Rick Warren, "Learning My True Identity In Christ," Saddleback Church, Oct 13, 2014, retrieved Jan 13, 2016, [youtube.com/watch?v=AolN3_JldmI]
We know Rick Warren didn't get his doctrine from God, so I'll leave it to you to conclude where he got it from.
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
-John 8:44
Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips... There is no fear of God before their eyes.
-Romans 3:13-18
