NOTE: This is an instance in which I was the first to contact the other person, requesting information from him. Because this person makes his full name public through his "ministry," I will provide his full name for context.

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Hello Mr. Andrew, my name is Christopher Johnson of Creation Liberty Evangelism, and after seeing your video interviewing Isaac Anderson, I wanted to get in touch with him to have a discussion about his experiences, but I am unable to figure out a way to contact him. I don't need any personal details, but if you know any social media methods of contacting him, would you be comfortable sharing that with me so I could get in touch? I appreciate any help you could offer.

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Mar 7, 2025
Stephen Andrew of Proverbs Guys Ministries:
I'm sorry I think he left social media.

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Thanks for getting back with me and letting me know. That saves me some time. Have a great day.

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No problem. His sister is the only one still on FB I believe. But she didn't wanna do any.ore interviews.

Have you interviewed Kent Hovind?

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No, Kent Hovind would have no part with me. If you don't know why, this might help explain it: https://www.creationliberty.com/articles/wolf-khovind.php

Based on what I heard you say in the interview, you probably won't like me much either. :)

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Yeah, Kent is a personal friend of mine. I'm married to his adopted granddaughter. Lol.

But I have hosts that are not supporters of Kent. But theology wise we may not get along maybe.

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Well, that depends on what you believe the Gospel of Salvation is. Kent Hovind teaches a false gospel, and so does Steven Anderson. That's why I wrote this piece on Anderson: https://www.creationliberty.com/articles/wolf-sanderson.php

I started writing my expose on Kent in 2015 before he got out of prison, and I wrote my expose on Anderson in 2018, long before all this information started coming out about what was going on behind closed doors.

The reason I've known to stay away from these men is because of their false gospel on salvation in particular, but sadly, most churchgoers today do not focus much on that.

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I've been going at it with Steven Anderson on his cheap grace. I believe against Anderson a lot. And I disagree with Kent on several things too. I don't like Kents "we all sin everyday" stuff.

Where we would strongly differ is I'm anti-KJV only.

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Well, I've never claimed to be KJVO because that means something different to different people. It's not well defined, so it becomes confusing. I still believe people can get saved by reading out of another version, if that helps clarify.

I agree with you about the "sin every day" stuff too. That's very concerning, but the biggest problem with both of them is that they preach false doctrine on repentance, which is key to the gospel of salvation. I've taken a lot of heat for coming out with early exposes against Hovind and Anderson, but I've taken far more heat for talking about the truth on repentance in Scripture, of which I have two books on that (and all my books are free-to-read on my website):

Why Millions of Believers on Jesus Are Going to Hell
That's the short version that I made to hand to churchgoers.

The long version for Christians to study is this:
There is No Saving Grace Without Repentance

I can't hardly get anyone who claims to be of Christ to talk about these subjects. Most churchgoers just avoid them like the plague. Since I know I won't be able to get in touch with Isaac, I was going to suggest bringing him on a podcast with me to talk about the Gospel of Salvation and what it is, since he thinks his dad is saved, and I don't believe he's saved. I thought it would be an interesting discussion after I heard you talk about how hateful Steven is (and I agreed with you on that point, as I have always labeled him a "hateful, warmongering preacher").

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You can check out our channel. We teach a holy living after salvation. We tell people that if your life doesn't look any different today than it did before you claimed to be saved it's a bad sign. We called "works based salvation" guys. But I don't care what they think. The scripture is clear. Salvation is a daily giving up of yourself and crucifying your flesh.

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But that's not what repentance means in the context of Scripture.

What is your position on repentance? What do you believe it means?

I checked out your site and Youtube channel, but I can't find anywhere you define what you mean when you say 'repent'. Any clarification you could provide on your position would be helpful, or perhaps some article or video I missed.

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Repent is defined in scripture as "turning from". If somebody claims to be repentant then we should observe either a turning in their actions or at the very least their heart. If they don't turn away from sin then we should observe a brokenness from the sin. We believe that you can't have a true encounter with the Lord and your life not be changed over time.

Since we're made up of several denominations we focus mainly on Christ Crucified, Young Earth Creationism, and Modern day idolatry.

Here are a few of our videos to get a feel for us. We're mainly LIVE panels.
https://www.youtube.com/live/AGcrQGH_RI0?si=VrgjfODrYWVpS6Nj
https://www.youtube.com/live/EeiE6wZgIac?si=EOIeDkGGV0K7pEBe
https://www.youtube.com/live/OWJJosEQrHI?si=E4Oa6c5HiF9CBtBC
https://www.youtube.com/live/TZuH0rQto2s?si=x1NVLvm62j9by2DR
https://www.youtube.com/live/rYmAsiiCKFc?si=vTxYncaWRsXcvTDf
https://www.youtube.com/live/R-z7DRnr9is?si=KtELoKwlfbbNO0p4

We have two shows scheduled for today (we stream 7 days a week). Feel free to come hangout with us.
https://www.youtube.com/live/YNWXrygChHA?si=7ywVqWU8hesf0itq
https://www.youtube.com/live/yRd9rXHD1Ac?si=cEzapnQQI9dpivOG

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Your interpretation of the Scripture on repentance is completely wrong. I appreciate you making your position clear. I'd love to come on and discuss that with you. I'd assume that salvation is classified under "Christ crucified."

I don't know if I can do it today because I've got some appointments this afternoon, but if we can arrange for that discussion sometime this week, that would be great. I will take some time today to go over some of your other live streams so I can see how it works.

A few quick questions:

1. Are you willing to have a one-on-one discussion, or do you think you'll need others to help you out? If having others on with you is just the normal structure of your show, please let me know.

2. What is the process of joining with you on a discussion? Do you use Discord? And what time would this have to take place?

Thanks for getting back with me, thank you for your courteous demeanor, and I'm looking forward to our discussion.

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I'm not open to having a discussion on the topic. We make our content and people have the ability to view it or not. I also would be careful from making comments like " Your interpretation of the Scripture on repentance is completely wrong.". If that were a true statement as simple as you made it we wouldn't have this debate 2,000 years later. But we're also anti-King James Only. We're also post-trib. So we're not everyone's flavor of ministry. But we stand on our truths.

Thanks for the offer and I wish you luck in your ministry work.

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I don't need luck when I have the Holy Ghost, but you just proved my point. People go around calling themselves "Christians," and do NOT want to talk about the Gospel of Salvation, which is the foundation of being a Christian. How can you expect me to call you brethren when you don't even want to talk about what Christ taught? How can you say you have understanding of the doctrines of Scripture when you're unwilling to have them challenged with the Scriptures?

Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.
-Proverbs 27:17

WORST of all, what if I am teaching it wrong? Why would you pass up an opportunity to teach me the truth? That's not loving at all. What if I am not saved, and this would be your opportunity to bring me to the light of Christ, and to do so for many others to hear? And if I am of Christ, then why are you satisfied to NOT be of like mind and one accord with the church, to have study and fellowship with brethren?

Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.
-Philippians 2:2

Fear is the opposite of faith, as I'm sure you already know, which is why you don't want to speak with me. You fear me more than you do Jesus Christ.

The fear of man bringeth a snare: but whoso putteth his trust in the LORD shall be safe. -Proverbs 29:25

I will extend an offer to you: I am going to go live on my stream this Wednesday (12th) at 7:00pm EST. I'll extend an invitation to you, or anyone else on your network to join me. I will get on my discord channel which is the link below, and I will even let you invite one or two others if you think you need help:
https://discord.com/channels/1270838314609672293/1270843562397012048

If you decide you want to come and have a peaceful discussion about the matter, that would be great. I am a courteous host, as you can see from my interview with Cindi Lincoln:
https://rumble.com/vup06r-cle-interview-with-cindi-lincoln-one-kent-hovinds-wives.html

If you don't want to come, that's fine, and I'll leave you be, but I want you to know it is my duty to Christ to expose the false doctrines of the world that turn from the truth, and if no one shows up, then I will take the quotes I'm noting from your podcasts and will expose your false doctrine so others will beware of the worldly doctrines you and your friends teach that are leading people AWAY from Jesus Christ.

Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
-Romans 16:17

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
-2 Timothy 4:3-4

If you want to prepare, I recommend this short, free-to-read book on my website. It's only 54 pages.
http://www.creationliberty.com/articles/whymillions.php


Have a great day, and I hope to see someone from your network there on Wednesday.

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Wonderful Christlike Spirit you're showing right here.

Again, good luck. I don't believe you to be operating in the spirit of God. Maybe the spirit of pride, but certainly not the Lord.

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You didn't answer a single question I asked. Instead, you gave me arrogance that you are high and mighty in the "Spirit of God" while implying that I do not have the Spirit of God in me. When I proposed that I wasn't saved and that you might teach me the truth, you puffed yourself up:

Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.
-1 Corinthians 8:1

Where's the charity in your heart? Was that response service to Jesus Christ, or to yourself?

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I respectfully allowed you the last word and you turn around and act exactly how I'd expect someone to act who laksa the guidance of the Holy Spirit. None of our hosts are interested in coming onto your shows to talk about your false doctrines. We collectively want nothing to do with you. Several of our hosts looked at your stuff and all agree that you lack love, respect, or even just decency. You have a rebellious heart and a haughty spirit.

Good day
-Entire ProverbsGuys Ministry.

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Thank you for your comments. That tells me a lot about your beliefs that you do not make publicly known. I'll be sure to relay that message to the rest of our church, and to born again Christians. I pray the Lord Jesus Christ would give you all the same gift of repentance that He was gracious enough to give me, and I hope you all will be blessed with the mercy of God for both you and your families.

Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous: Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing.
-1 Peter 3:8-9

He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.
-Proverbs 18:13

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If you're out of content and need a new honey-hole you just have to say so. I knew from peaking at your channel that your content was drying up. When you get done hating on people the views leave. Keep that in mind while you chase views.

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Thank you for your additional comments. I will cover those on the live stream tomorrow. Have a great day.

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I'm terrified. You're going to report me to your church and to your viewers? Please, no, wait! Don't do that!

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Thank you for your additional comments. Although, it would have been a lot easier just to show up and make the comments instead of hiding and sending snide messages over email. But to each their own. You have a great evening.

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Stephen Andrew refused anymore discussion. I sent a separate letter to their ministry's general contact page, requesting anyone from their group to come for discussion, I was either turned down, received no response, or was ghosted (i.e. they never showed). You can watch my livestream analysis of the Proverbs Guy Ministries below:

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