I'm glad Joop has left, and I want to make sure that anyone who is reading this understands why. There's something about him that's bothered me for a long time, but I kept my mouth shut because I wanted to exercise patience. (Especially with those who are my elders--Joop is in his 60s.)
First of all, he left because of the following, which he didn't bother to provide a link to so others could see:
http://www.creationliberty.com/forum/index.php?topic=732.0This is a post in which Joop had made a false accusation against me, refused to back up his argument, and then when he was rebuked with Scripture (
a very thorough and well-done post made by Tim that's worth reading), he ignored the Scripture, made a false claim (i.e. an argument we did not make), pleaded to "
agree to disagree" about Biblical doctrine (i.e. lukewarm riding the fence -
Rev 3:16), then came here and declared he was leaving. That's called deceit, and hiding it behind some flattering words does not mean God will not hold him accountable.
They speak vanity every one with his neighbour: with flattering lips and with a double heart do they speak.
-Psa 12:2
But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
-Mat 12:36There have been some very strange things about Joop since he joined. First of all, if you go back to his original introduction post, there is nothing testifying about guilt, sin, and salvation of Christ.
http://www.creationliberty.com/forum/index.php?topic=232.msg1427#msg1427He simply claimed that he left the Catholic Church and then later left the Pentacostal church buildings, both of which are filled with false teachers and unsaved people, and then just acts like he's always been of Christ. Read it for yourself. There was never any repentance (i.e. grief and godly sorrow) of wrongdoing. You can learn more about that here:
Is Repentance Part of Salvation?Later, he goes on to say that there were some "
really good born-again Christians there" among the Pentecostals with all their Satanic gibberish.
http://www.creationliberty.com/forum/index.php?topic=232.msg1433#msg1433The reason I believe Joop says this is because he does not understand the doctrines of repentance and false converts. He says he was in the Pentecostal church buildings for 30 years (after being in the Catholic Church for 20 years), so that's really strange that he claimed to have the Holy Spirit of God in him, but it took him 30 years to figure out there was a problem? Folks, the false doctrines they teach in those places are fairly basic, and I could understand someone being among them for a time before they are convicted to come out, but 30 years? That's a long time to be blind for someone who claims to have the Holy Spirit of God living in them.
In other posts, you'll see where he will define something wrong, and then when his error is pointed out, he doesn't correct himself.
http://www.creationliberty.com/forum/index.php?topic=286.msg1920#msg1920It always seemed to me what he was doing was looking to inject his opinion, and then just have people accept it without discussion.
Furthermore, I'll just make a general statement that, if you look over his past posts, you'll see that he almost never quotes or talks about Bible verses and doctrine. He almost always starts off his sentences with "I love this" "I studied this" "I think" "I believe" -- he's not stating doctrine or facts for the most; it's just his personal opinions. I never could figure out what bothered me so much about him until I've gone back through his old posts.
The most hypocritical thing about Joop is this post he made:
If I need some rebuke, I rather would have it plain, and explained.
Open rebuke is better than secret love. Proverbs 27:5
Or, as I may put it: there is nothing wrong with open rebuke.
Yet, when he was rebuked openly, he left. Hmm.
Correction is grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: and he that hateth reproof shall die.
-Pro 15:10Okay! Here it is. Now I have the information I need to state that I was correct: Joop did NOT read and/or listen to the teaching I did on
Trinity vs God in Three Persons. This subject matter is the reason for his leaving, which he did not elect to say here. (i.e. He chose to hide it instead of be open and straight-forward.)
Here is his post if you want to read it:
http://www.creationliberty.com/forum/index.php?topic=533.msg4191#msg4191That was back in February, and I had already done the teaching on the matter, but Joop didn't bother to read or listen to it, which is okay (it's not like everyone is required to read or listen to what I teach; that's not my point), but when I asked him before he left if he had read/listened to that teaching on the Trinity, he didn't respond to my question. Now I know why. So in short, Joop does
NOT know what I teach on the subject, but thought he had enough understanding to rebuke what I teach, even though he doesn't know what I teach, and when he was faced with the Scripture, he ran.
He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.
-Pro 18:13Now I know why Joop's posts have irritated me for so long. There is no repentance in any of his words or his testimony, he's a hypocrite, and a when it comes down to it, he's also a coward who runs from the Scripture when he's faced with it. I am disinclined to believe he's a Christian; or at least, he's not shown me the evidence of it. I'm not deleting his account because he's already gone, so we'll just leave it as it is so others can look up his previous posts for themselves if they want to see the evidence of these things. However, I did go to his profile and change his belief from "Christian" to "Other" because I don't know what he actually believes.
