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Re: Hello fellow Christians
« Reply #40 on: May 18, 2019, 03:55:01 PM »
I falsely assumed repentance on Nate's behalf.  At the time, there seemed to be a change in attitude after the email conversations with Chris.

I see now that he really wasn't addressing the issues and danced around the rebuke.

Thank you Kevin! I really misjudged Chris and Timothy, and am glad God showed me that I was wrong to jump to conclusions :-)

Seeing his email responses, it is clear that he was not being genuine.  In the end, he repeated the same accusations that he claimed in the quoted post as misjudgment.

Did God show him his error and later God changed his mind?  Not so.  I hope Nate takes the time to understand his error, but I'm afraid that will not be the case.

This is good practice for discernment.  I was deceived and gave Nate false affirmation.

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Re: Hello fellow Christians
« Reply #41 on: May 18, 2019, 06:04:05 PM »
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I falsely assumed repentance on Nate's behalf.  At the time, there seemed to be a change in attitude after the email conversations with Chris.

I had assumed it too even though there were a couple things I thought were strange in his apology that I couldn't quite put my finger on. But because I'm an unfair, prideful, judgemental Pharisitical interrogator ( ;)) I let it go thinking, at first, he had repented at least somewhat. But after Christopher sent me that email he posted here it really gave a new context to his apology and I knew I couldn't trust him. I just wasn't sure how to go from there.

Thankfully, Nathan revealed the hatred in his heart when he posted on Scott's Intro saying the same things before his 'apology' that we were still prideful and there was unscriptural judgment going on among us. I say thankfully because we can now see the truth behind his feigned humility and praise.

Proverbs 26:24 He that hateth dissembleth (To hide under a false appearance) with his lips, and layeth up deceit within him;
25 When he speaketh fair, believe him not (Nathan "Thank you all for the kind words and thank you Chris! Your passion for the word of God is inspiring."): for there are seven abominations in his heart.
26 Whose hatred is covered by deceit, his wickedness shall be shewed before the whole congregation.


Hopefully God will open Nathan's eyes and show him that he is not saved no matter how much he wants to believe it because he has no repentance over his sin. What he has shown here has convinced me fully that he is a false convert on his way to hell.

1 John 2:9 He that saith he is in the light (Nathan: "I'm truly saved in the Lord Jesus Christ and always will be."), and hateth his brother (Proverbs 26:24), is in darkness even until now.
10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.


1 John 3:15 - Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

1 John 4:20 - If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

If Nathan really takes calling any of us 'brother' seriously, then he aught to fear what God says about those that hate their brother. But because he doesn't take his words seriously he will remain blind to it because of the hardness of his heart unless he repents.

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Re: Hello fellow Christians
« Reply #42 on: May 18, 2019, 06:48:33 PM »
If he is band, will he be able to still get on website and read the post?
He did come off just like that guy Chris had to block his i.p address. He too kept trying to promote the mainstream pastor just this time he added David and king james bible.

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Re: Hello fellow Christians
« Reply #43 on: May 18, 2019, 07:18:05 PM »
No, I didn't block his IP address, although now I'm probably thinking that I should have. He's now threatening to take "legal action" which I find hilarious, and the letters should explain why. I had to block him from my email account as well. Here's what I have:

AT 6:53 PM...

Mr. Johnson,
I am demanding that you remove my name and comments from your website. I'm giving you a week's notice. If my comments and name are not removed from your website in that time (by May 24, 2019) I will seek legal action against you.
Very Sincerely,
Nathan



Go right ahead and seek your legal counsel. I already know what they'll tell you because you speak in ignorance. You should try reading the terms of agreement before you sign them next time.
"You remain solely responsible for the content of your posted messages. Furthermore, you agree to indemnify and hold harmless the owners of this forum, any related websites to this forum, its staff, and its subsidiaries."
Now, if you continue to keep spamming my email account, I'll just block you. I don't like doing that because I like to keep the door open for wicked people if they come to repentance, or if, God forbid, you were ever in need of daily food and clothing, and we could be charitable to you and your family.
However, you have proven once again that you are not of Christ.
If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church. I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren? But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.
-1Co 6:4-6

You're not a brother in Christ because we don't go to the law with matters among one another. If you do not seek the Lord to give you a heart of repentance, then hell and lake of fire awaits; there's nothing more I can do. Again, if you keep spamming me letters, I'll block your account. Have a great day.

AT 6:54 PM... ONE MINUTE LATER...

I keep checking into the forum and, as expected, I see more and more libel being written about me accusing me of being a false convert on my way to Hell.
I warn you, if these comments and my name and account are not deleted by the end of next week, I will sue you for libel and for using my name and words without my permission!
You have been warned. I'll be checking back next Friday, and if my content is still present, you'll be hearing from my attorney.
Very Sincerely,
Nathan



As I said in the last letter, if you kept spamming me, I'll block your account. I'm doing so now. Have a great day.

END OF EMAIL EXCHANGE

As a side note, the humorous thing about this is that Nate, in his habit of speaking before considering a matter, doesn't even understand the legal definition of defamation, which is the subject of the lawsuit he would have to file under for libel. What he's claiming doesn't even match defamation. What is on this site was posted by him, no changes were made to anything he said, and we have expressed our thoughts and opinions freely about his testimony and therefore, I'm not sure that he knows what libel means. He would literally have to fight the first amendment of the US Constitution to win his case. Not to mention, defamation is one of the most difficult type of cases to win, with many facets of criteria that have to be met to even be heard in an official trial (i.e. most of them are thrown out during the preliminary hearings), and that means, his alleged "attorney" would have to be convinced that Nate has such a solid case and could be awarded enough money to make the matter worth the law office's time and resources. In short, unless Nate is secretly a millionaire, he's not going to be able to afford it, and Lorraine and I don't have very much money as it is--meaning that he would have to sue me personally, because Creation Liberty Evangelism is not a corporation and Lorraine and I don't have a marriage license, so we're not a corporation either. Thus, to take on a personal defamation lawsuit requires extraordinary amounts of funding, along with extraordinary amounts of evidence, including "mens rea," which is a legal term that has to do with proving the intent to commit a crime, and that would be impossible to prove because there is no one here intent on commit any crime to defame anyone. So, his threats are nothing more than vanity in the wind.

Furthermore, even if he started a lawsuit on this, it would only expose him further, he would lose it, and then all that would do is focus more attention onto the Gospel of repentance and faith in Christ that I'm teaching, and expose the wickedness of his own words to public at large.

In short, the Bible says he's a fool, and he ought to be ashamed of himself, but he continues in confidence via his rage.
A wise man feareth, and departeth from evil: but the fool rageth, and is confident.
-Pro 14:16
The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.
-Psa 34:18

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Re: Hello fellow Christians
« Reply #44 on: May 18, 2019, 07:44:31 PM »
Well he already shown us he lied when he said you guys delete his comments. That will be a first in this situation, plus there are us as witness that nothing changed. But he did clame to you Chris that his post were deleted and put on a show how he was upset about it. Now he upset because you won't delete his post. The only lawyer that will even take his case is only to take his money. People do this all the time thinking it will give them what they want, but in reality they just dig a deeper pit to blindly walk in to.

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Re: Hello fellow Christians
« Reply #45 on: May 18, 2019, 10:25:33 PM »
Just to be fair and make things clear, moderators actually DO have the ability to delete posts; at least, I do. However, the only posts I have deleted were either duplicates (one case) or when someone has tried several times to post the same thing but the post got cut off because of the apostrophe issue. I have always waited until the full post appears, though, before deleting the false starts, and I only do that to keep the thread from being cluttered.

But everything else Chris said was spot on. If Nate actually does try to contact an attorney, he's going to be laughed out of the office, so I hope he spares himself the embarrassment.

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Re: Hello fellow Christians
« Reply #46 on: May 18, 2019, 11:24:41 PM »
My apologies, that option was not supposed to be available. I must have forgotten to fix it when we reset the forum last time.

No, wait... I checked on it, and yes, okay. I messed up. That option is on for moderators, and I remember that I left it on in case someone started posting something illegal or pornographic, and that a mod could eliminate it quickly. I disabled features to allow mods to edit anyone's existing post. That was the thing. I'm sorry about that folks; but the part about Tim not making any changes was true; he didn't touch anything, and instead of asking about it, Nate just falsely accused him in blind rage.
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Re: Hello fellow Christians
« Reply #47 on: May 19, 2019, 02:02:30 PM »
How blind do you have to be to post on your own intro and not see that the message are still there. Maybe I do not know but you do have to go past all the message to reply. Or maybe he just was on first page when he replied and did not see there was now 2. I have done this few times

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Re: Hello fellow Christians
« Reply #48 on: May 21, 2019, 09:35:59 AM »
I'm sorry to bring this up again, but Nate was able to get through to me one more time on the website contact page, and I had a discussion with him. Tim and I looked over everything and we believe he's much more genuine this time around; he's been very repentant of everything he's said to us, and requested to be unbanned so he could come back in and apologize to everyone. I went ahead and did that this morning.
The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.
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Re: Hello fellow Christians
« Reply #49 on: May 21, 2019, 10:45:38 AM »
Thank you so much Chris and Tim,

I am so sorry. Sorry to everyone I hurt and annoyed and frustrated. I have had an unrighteous anger problem for a long time and I said so many stupid things here for which the Holy Spirit put me under heavy conviction. I mistakenly thought that Tim had deleted my comments and my account when I couldn't log in last week and I accused Tim to Chris without having all the facts. I allowed my sin of pride to take offense to Chris and Tim's concerns about my salvation when all they wanted was some evidence that I was who they said I was. I've never had my salvation questioned before and since I cherish my relationship with the Lord and have had an anger problem I let the devil take that as me being attacked and made a complete fool out of myself.

I am so ashamed of myself. For one, I'm ashamed of myself for talking to good Christian people that way and two, I'm ashamed of myself because I know the Bible pretty well. But knowing the Bible and obeying it are two different things. I've asked the Lord to take this anger away and I've had to repent of many things. I thank God for Chris being the Christian he is and teaching what the Bible actually says about repentance and how we are to act toward other Christians. I have failed my Lord by acting the fool, by being accusatory toward my brethren, for misunderstanding Chris's full stance on 501c3 and for not being clear on my salvation testimony. I understand completely that some of you may not believe I'm actually saved and born again and I understand that I may have jeapordized my reputation among you. Everyone here has a full right to be skeptical of me and I don't hold that against anyone here. I thank my God that He showed me my sin and convicted me and granted me repentance for this matter. I was so angry about someone questioning my salvation that I never stopped to consider that railing against such a simple line of inquiry would do more damage to my credibility as a Christian. I have argued with atheists, my unsaved parents and siblings, haters of our King James Bible and Christians who have beat up on me for believing the King James Bible and that God created everything, including dinosaurs, in six literal days thousands of years ago, so I carried that baggage with me when I started writing on this forum and took Chris and Tim's concern for my soul as an accusation I wasn't saved. I mistook pride for zeal, rashness for cleverness, and foolishness for understanding. This has been a very humbling experience for me and I've learned a great lesson. Please pray that the Lord irradicates this unrighteous anger that has rested in this fool's bosom. Thank you all.

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Re: Hello fellow Christians
« Reply #50 on: May 21, 2019, 11:04:45 AM »
I think it takes a lot of humility to say what you just said in the manner you did.  Theres no hard feelings from me. Welcome back.

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Re: Hello fellow Christians
« Reply #51 on: May 21, 2019, 11:06:32 AM »
God just spoke to my heart with "just because a man days he believes the Bible and mentally acknowledge that it's the words of God, a man does not really fully believe the Bible at all if a man does not obey it!" God is definitely chastening me for what I've done here. I don't expect to never make a mistake again, but I truly hope that I never make a fool of myself like this again in attacking other Christians who were just trying to help me.

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Re: Hello fellow Christians
« Reply #52 on: May 21, 2019, 01:02:57 PM »
Thank you Brother Tim. God bless you and yours!

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Re: Hello fellow Christians
« Reply #53 on: May 21, 2019, 01:39:32 PM »
I am glad you are able to join us again nate,

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« Reply #54 on: May 21, 2019, 02:57:45 PM »
Thank you Billy. God is good!

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Re: Hello fellow Christians
« Reply #55 on: May 21, 2019, 04:12:05 PM »
Welcome back, Nate! I'm so happy to hear that you have seen what you did wrong and truly repented of it. I pray that everything that has been said on this thread would provide encouragement and edification to others, as well. It truly is a pleasure when one lost sheep returns to the fold!

Luke 15:4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it? 5 And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing. 6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost. 7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

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Re: Hello fellow Christians
« Reply #56 on: May 21, 2019, 04:18:25 PM »
A welcome back from me too Nate.  It was good to read what you wrote.

Your return the way you have has made these words of Jesus come to mind.

Luke 15 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
3 And he spake this parable unto them, saying, 4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it? 5 And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing. 6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost. 7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

8 Either what woman having ten pieces of silver, if she lose one piece, doth not light a candle, and sweep the house, and seek diligently till she find it? 9 And when she hath found it, she calleth her friends and her neighbours together, saying, Rejoice with me; for I have found the piece which I had lost. 10 Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.


And the remnant of Jacob shall be in the midst of many people as a dew from the Lord, as the showers upon the grass, that tarrieth not for man, nor waiteth for the sons of men.  Micah 5:7 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

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Re: Hello fellow Christians
« Reply #57 on: May 21, 2019, 04:19:52 PM »
LOL
And the remnant of Jacob shall be in the midst of many people as a dew from the Lord, as the showers upon the grass, that tarrieth not for man, nor waiteth for the sons of men.  Micah 5:7 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

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« Reply #58 on: May 21, 2019, 04:52:59 PM »
What was the LOL, Kevin? Did you just realise that you posted the same Scripture I did? LOL

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« Reply #59 on: May 21, 2019, 05:12:17 PM »
Thank you everyone. It is amazing how good God is to us when we are at our worst.