What concerns me most is that people on this forum seem to think that this ministry is the same as a local church. It is not. No where in the Bible does a internet gathering replace the local church, and even if unleavened churches are hard to find, you shall not forsake the gathering yourself together.
Okay, then provide your Scripture that describes "the local church."
Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
-Mat 18:19-20This slap-n-run style of communication has become more common with you Masha; obviously you wanted to make this comment and then run away without discussion of it. That's terribly childish of you.
That is in a physical form! You can disagree for your own comfort and peace of mind, but your internetchurch and internet contacts are NOT THE SAME as seeing someone in the eye and meeting IN PERSON with others.
So, even if you have much discernment in all kind of doctrine, you are all failing to follow a very important doctrine.
Interesting that we are accused of ignoring a "
very important doctrine" without being given any Scriptural commandments about that "
very important doctrine." How many times have I warned you all about people who do that? Perhaps I can help with the Scripture end of it since Masha can't do it:
And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words. For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.
-Col 2:4-5I am thankful, Masha, that you finally came out and showed us your true heart, because I could see this in you a long time ago. There was no reason to hide or stand on pretense, but when it became more obvious to others here, you finally had enough hiding.
I could go and descept the sentences in the posts, and reply to each one. I did not do that to the other accusations, because it would not have been edifying, and I am not so proud that I need to be right at the cost of this ministry.
Accusations of pride without backing up the claim; this is standard operating procedure from deceitful people. She's attempting to claim that her slap-n-run (i.e. make false accusations and then leave before anyone can respond) is a "humble" way of approaching the matter, and once again, no Scripture.
In the end none of you have ever walked an inch in my shoes, so all your opinions are just that. Opinions. I am a human being, I have many flaws. Christopher Johnson is a human being, he has flaws. I hope and pray that you all will see that and consider that, as much as you are willing to rebuke me, be likewise with all brethren.
You never accepted any rebuke. That's something I think you missed. You simply tried to make "peace" (which obviously was a false peace), without addressing the actual problem. You didn't know this, but I discussed this privately with our church over a year ago, and I told them that I had concerns because you didn't actually resolve matters by addressing the subject matter, and that you were just trying to have everyone get along. From the very beginning, from when you joined and then immediately left our church, there has been a serious problem of you in complete denial, and we've all tried to tell you the truth, but to no avail because you will listen, but not hear.
The biggest thing I have to say is really:
Eph 4:32
And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
I certainly agree with that, but you should take precept upon precept (Isa 28:10).
Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
-Luke 17:3I've not really seen any repentance in you, as much as I've seen you ignoring major problem, and that's something we tried to talk to you about from the very beginning, years ago, when you joined our church for a short time. You and your husband both sit back and think you do no wrong, and that's the problem. You say that you "
have flaws," but we have no idea what flaws you're talking about because you never admit to any of them.
You accuse me of attacking where I just expressed an opinion. I still hold to the opinion it was a waste of my time to watch that video, I did not say anything about the ministry. I , like any other, have the liberty to have an opinion.
I'm laughing within myself right now because Masha believes than an opinion cannot be an attack. That's absurd, and I guarantee she knows that's absurd. She's throwing a fit in her emotional rage, and not calming herself down to consider the matter.
For example, I could have an opinion that Masha has Klu Klux Klan (KKK) philosophy. Of course, I don't believe that, under that hypothetical situation, she would defend herself against that and rebuke me for attacking her, but I was "
just expressing an opinion." Personal attacks
ARE personal opinions, whether they are true or not. I don't know who Masha thinks she's fooling by trying to justify herself.
Masha believes the video I posted earlier was a waste of time. Since she's slapping and running, I'll give everyone else a context so they understand what happened; here's the link where you can read about it if you want:
http://www.creationliberty.com/forum/index.php?topic=607.0What I attempted to do was to explain to Masha that the video, and my teaching on Anderson (which she attacked both) had more than one purpose, explaining to her that others were benefiting from the doctrine. However, we've had past problem with Masha only think of herself, and her own opinions, instead of thinking about others outside of herself.
Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.
-Phl 2:4I do not have anything against Chris.
That's a lie, and you need to repent. At least be honest because if you didn't have anything against me, then you'd be open to discuss the matter. The slap-n-run technique shows that you have A LOT against me, and against others here.
Dee, you are defending where there is no attack.
That's another lie.
And on top of it, both Dee and Chris need to bring up the past. I did not do that, nor will I do that. It is WRONG and nasty, and not loving nor edifying. It shows there is no forgiveness, and there is no patience. And both of those should be there!!
There is no forgiveness because there is no repentance from Masha. Not only was there a lack of repentance on multiple problems we've had with her, and she keeps repeating the same offenses over and over, but now she accuses of us of having "no patience" when we've kept her around her for the past few years, waiting for her to come to understanding.
Lie, after lie, after lie. There's nothing else I can do at this point.
1Ti 6:11
But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.
1Th 1:3
Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;
Rom 12:18
If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
1 Tim 3 : 3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
1 Cor 8: 1 Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.
2, And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.
3, But if any man love God, the same is known of him.
Is slapping and running off in a childish fit righteous and godly in faith and patience and meekness? Is slapping and running loving and edifying in Christ? Is lying and falsely accusing us charitable and demonstrating of a love for God?
By the way, a brawler is a "noisy person," so look at my response here to Masha, and then look at her words from her other posts in the threat I linked above:
You may have a lot of biblical knowledge even all knowledge but without charity (Which lacks in everything this person seems to do) IT IS NOTHING!!! and surely it has nothing to do with our Lord Jesus Christ!!!So what does all caps with multiple exclamation points indicate? A noisy person. In context, she was talking about Steven Anderson, and doing so in the same noisy way that Steven Anderson talks about others. It seems she doesn't have any love for her enemies either.
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
-Mat 5:44I am sure that the CLE website helps people to grow in their faith and discernment. I never said anything against it, whatsoever. To accuse me of doing so is simply false.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember anyone accusing her of saying that our ministry does not help people grow in faith and discernment. Dee correctly accused Masha of "
attacking with 'sly' jabs." And Masha, in her "farewell" post proved that to be true. So no one accused Masha of saying that, which makes this statement a "strawman" argument, meaning that she's fighting an opponent that isn't there, and it's also a red herring, meaning that it intended to distract others from the arguments that are being made.
It is VERY IMPORTANT you realise that with this internetbased
I'm pretty sure everyone here knows what the internet is by now. I don't think anyone believes we've fused with our computer systems. All I can say is that Masha would have just been better off leaving instead of leaving with this final post; she embarrassed herself. All I can say is what I usually tell false converts: I pray the Lord Jesus Christ would bless you and your family with all your needs throughout the coming week, as I would wish for your children to be well cared for, and I need to get back to work. Have a great day.
