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[Jeanne]

The only problem I can see with that right now is that you would also have to make assumptions that can't be proven one way or the other about the animals you're talking about. I think you should stick with KNOWN facts. Like people used to claim that the coelacanth was extinct and was supposedly a fish that was in the process of growing legs. At least, until live ones were found...

[Zoologistkid]

That's what I plan to do, Jeanne.

For example, here are some known facts about mosasaurs: They had a second pair of jaws in their mouths,
they even had a forked tongue,
they had a fluke like a shark, ,
they had double-hinged jaws/ flexible skulls like snakes, they swam like sharks with their bodies held stiff, they could be freshwater/marine animals, they were first found in 1764, they gave birth to live young, they had two types of scales (keeled or nonreflective scales on top and smooth scales covering the lower part of the body, they had lips like a lizard(the ones with exposed teeth are made to look "cool"), there is evidence to suggest they were/are cool-blooded (along with dinosaurs and other said to be extinct reptiles; there is a state where you are neither warm or cold blooded but something in between called mesothermic, mackerel sharks, tuna, echidnas, and leatherback sea turtles are all examples of this), and they could grow to sixty feet long .

But there are facts that people reject like mosasaurs being alive today, they were/are herbivores, they didn't come from a land lizard, and the fact they didn't rule the seas for millions of years.

[Jeanne]

What I meant was, you can't make assumptions about their behaviour or how they would act/react around people unless there are records of people interacting with them.

[Zoologistkid]

I actually want to talk about that Jeanne, thank you for clarifying. Evolutionists believe that they can know an animals behavior just from their bones. There are stories of mosasaur being seen like the mosasaur seen from a cruise ship and from the description it wasn't acting predatory, it was curious. You can read about it here but as a slight warning this comes from a guy who turns creatures like these in monsters: http://www.kronosrising.com/carnival-cruise-monster-living-mosasaur-stalk-ship/

Also, Jeanne, many so-called dangerous wild animals have saved people. A group of lions rescued/defended a young girl from several wicked men, a sea lion saved a suicidal man, a deer fought off an attacker saving a woman, there was even a beaver that comforted an orphan boy while keeping him warm, and even a giant sea turtle saved a woman's life while a little turtle on his back kept her awake. Like Chris says God can give an order to allow a crocodile to eat a wicked person, can't the opposite be true.

[Jeanne]

I also recently saw a video about a woman who thought she was being 'attacked' by a whale while she was diving, as the whale seemed a little aggressive. It was pushing her with its fins back towards her boat. When she looked back, she realised the whale was actually trying to get her away from a shark she hadn't seen!

[Zoologistkid]

That is pretty interesting, Jeanne, thank you for sharing that. I do think that many "savage prehistoric monsters" would turn out to be harmless creatures or maybe even be friendly. Do you think this could be the case, also?

[anvilhauler]

That reminds me of a news item from quite a few years ago.

Dolphins saved us from shark, lifeguards say
25 Nov, 2004 8:41am
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=3613343

A pod of dolphins is being credited with saving a group of lifeguards from a circling great white shark.

Lifeguard Rob Howes, his daughter Niccy, 15, Karina Cooper, 15, and Helen Slade, 16, were swimming 100m out to sea at Ocean Beach, near Whangarei, when seven bottlenose dolphins sped towards them and herded them together.

"They were behaving really weird," Mr Howes said, "turning tight circles on us, and slapping the water with their tails."

 Mr Howes and Helen Slade had drifted about 20m away from the others when a dolphin swam straight at them and dived a few metres in front of them.

"I turned in the water to see where it was going to come up, but instead I saw this great big grey fish swim around me," said Mr Howes.

The veteran lifeguard said it was undoubtedly a 3m-long great white shark.

"It glided around in an arc and headed for the other two girls. My heart went into my mouth, because one of them was my daughter. The dolphins were going ballistic."

The 47-year-old said the dolphins herded the swimmers - who are all members of the Whangarei Heads Surf Lifesaving Club - back together and circled protectively around them for another 40 minutes, fending off the shark.

More in the article.

[anvilhauler]

On the subject of God's creatures and how sometimes they help man in what seems to be a knowing kind of a way it might be of interest to read of a dolphin that was well known in new Zealand and was given the name Pelorus Jack.

How did all of the animals know to be allowed to be hearded by Noah on to the Ark or maybe even to present themselves at the ark at the right time.  They just knew.

Pelorus Jack
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelorus_Jack

Pelorus Jack (fl. 1888 - April 1912) was a Risso's dolphin that was famous for meeting and escorting ships through a stretch of water in Cook Strait, New Zealand, between 1888 and 1912. Pelorus Jack was usually spotted in Admiralty Bay between Cape Francis and Collinet Point, near French Pass, a notoriously dangerous channel used by ships travelling between Wellington and Nelson. ...

... Pelorus Jack guided the ships by swimming alongside a water craft for 20 minutes at a time. If the crew could not see Jack at first, they often waited for him to appear. ...

... Pelorus Jack was first seen around 1888 when it appeared in front of the schooner Brindle when the ship approached French Pass, a channel located between D'Urville Island and the South Island. When the members of the crew saw the dolphin bobbing up and down in front of the ship, they wanted to kill him, but the captain's wife talked them out of it. To their amazement, the dolphin then proceeded to guide the ship through the narrow channel. And for years thereafter, he safely guided almost every ship that came by. With rocks and strong currents, the area is dangerous to ships, but no shipwrecks occurred when Jack was present. ...

Many sailors and travellers saw Pelorus Jack, and he was mentioned in local newspapers and depicted in postcards.

Since 1989, Pelorus Jack has been used as a symbol for the Interislander, a ferry service across the Cook Strait, and is incorporated into the livery of the ships in the fleet.

[Zoologistkid]

I think that every animal has a gentle side, for example, even sharks like to be pet like a dog:

and here's a crocodile acting like a dog:
.
You can read about the man and his croc here:
https://www.animalsaustralia.org/features/amazing-croc-story.php

Another part of the story I thought of involves a woman being woken up in the middle of a blizzard freezing to death by a Huaxiaosaurus
. First, it tries nudging her gently but tries a little harder and eventually roars in her face waking her up. That would be a sight to see!

Also on a side note, evolutionist are saying that dinosaurs couldn't roar and that the roars in Chris's article are just fake sounds. That's funny all of history says dragon could roar and dinosaurs are dragons so they could roar. What do you think?

[Zoologistkid]

Kevin, thank you for reminding me of Pelorus Jack. Jack led all ships through that channel except for one. In 1904, a drunk on a ship called The Penguin shot at Jack causing him to flee with a blood trail. Two weeks later, Jack showed up at his usual place but never led The Penguin ever again. In fact, The Penguin sank on the rocks of the French Pass on Feb 12, 1909; the only ship that sank during his career. The shooting caused an outrage and a law was passed making it illegal to shoot dolphins in New Zealand waters. I can understand why he avoided The Penguin, it is like being stung by a bee, would you want to jump right back into a beehive?

[anvilhauler]

Hi Caleb

I was going to put those extra bits about Pelorus Jack in too but then decided against it. 

I'm still not sure that the book you are still in the planning stages of will be read by people like poachers. 

A poacher walks in to a book shop and says to the person behind the counter, "

Poacher: Hello, I'm after a book that will make me feel guilty for all of the wrong I have done in my life and that will give me sound reasons for me to change my ways.  Have you got any thing like that?

Retailer:  Well, yes sir we do, I know exactly what you are looking for.  We have the Authorized King James Version Bible and we have another recent novel about animals driven to extinction or to the verge of extinction by ruthless poachers. 

Poacher: I can't decide which one to buy.  I'll take both of them. 


All is not lost though.  As the others pointed out too, it is doubtful that a novel about animals would have the desired effect of leading people to Christ or that a poacher would read one of them.  Please don't take that the wrong way.  Looking at the other material you have posted you could write an amazing book about prehistoric, endangered and largely unknown (cryptozoology) animals and you could describe them and why they are God's creation and why evolution is impossible.  If you did that your book would definitely be on my book shelf and would probably be purchased by untold thousands of other people too.  If the pics you post in the forum are free for use you could use those in the book, they are outstanding.  All of the material in your posts is outstanding.

A large book with lots of excellent glossy pictures of fossils and extinct animals and cryptozoology and numerous mentionings of the God of the Bible and DNA and genetics would be suitably offensive to cause some people out there to start thinking in ways they have never thought before.

If the book is a best seller, make sure you mention me in the front (large letters, no small print) and how I put you on to it and that it was all my idea 

[Zoologistkid]

Kevin, I mentioned earlier that I may or may not create books like those anymore.

I should let you know that I had more stories than the two I mentioned like Pests, What is a monster?, Job Finishers, Family Reunion, Predator and Prey? Nope!, Hooved Chaos, and more. Looks like all of those are destined for the trash barrel to burn, eh?

I asked you guys what you thought about these two books /story ideas:

I have an idea, I wanted to see what you all think. Maybe I could create a book about creationism and evolutionism are two sides of the same wicked coin. In the book, I could talk about evolution is bad but creationist organizations are just as bad. I'll talk about how the organization's yolk up with evil organizations, how they defend witchcraft holidays to an insane level, what leaven is, how corrupt they are with money, how uncharitable they are actually, how many of the organizations are not even lead by Christians, how full of false converts they are, and other wicked things that they do. I think it would certainly raise some eyebrows and ruffle some feathers .

I have an idea that I think you would like. I want to create a story about said to be extinct animals in a different light than popular culture and hellywood teaches. They teach that if a man were to meet a said to be extinct animal, the two would fight and either the man would win or the dinosaur would eat the man. They teach that we are incompatible (incapable of living with) with creatures like dinosaurs, aquatic reptiles, pterosaurs, or any group of animal that they declare extinct. The book would a collection of stories of people meeting animals that people say are extinct. For example, a young girl lost at sea gets help from a mosasaur. Hellywood and popular culture show off any and all animals as bloodthirsty abominations that are gone from the world. I think it would an interesting read and I am also going to little hits at evolutionism with their millions of years insanity. Along with their beliefs in feathered dinosaurs, missing links, a meteor striking the earth, and other insanities that they cook up. I can already imagine the hate mail from them and from other people because I dared to question their holy sacred cow. I also want to show God through his creations and how God uses them for judgments.
Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father. Matthew 10:29
I want people to question what evolutionism says because everyone I have talked to has accepted their lies and defend them viciously. Do you think it would be a good idea?

Another part of the story I thought of involves a woman being woken up in the middle of a blizzard freezing to death by a Huaxiaosaurus. First, it tries nudging her gently but tries a little harder and eventually roars in her face waking her up. That would be a sight to see!

What do you think of these ideas, Kevin? Do you think you would want to read them? I want to show the lesser known animals, when was the last time you heard about the largest duckbill dinosaur (Huaxiosaurus)? Other ones I want to show off involve Deinocheirus

Therizinosaurus (disregard the feathers)

Australovenator

and others. Which one is the strangest one in your opinion?

[anvilhauler]

Hi Caleb

I don't think I would read the books you propose.  Possibly.  I'm not in to stories much and hence why I have never had much time for movies.  A good story for me would have to be very realistic in today's world and have a good strong Christian message to it. 

Have you heard Chris' audio teachings on dinosaurs. 

Study #0145 [Aug 28, 2016]
1st Half--Scripture reading from Micah 2-4
2nd Half--Dinosaurs and the Bible pt.6
(Various Dinosaur Sightings & Recent Discoveries)
      
Study #0144 [Aug 21, 2016]
1st Half--Scripture reading from Jonah 3-Micah 1
2nd Half--Dinosaurs and the Bible pt.5
(Sea Monster Sightings Worldwide)
      
Study #0143 [Aug 14, 2016]
1st Half--Scripture reading from Obadiah-Jonah 2
2nd Half--Dinosaurs and the Bible pt.4
(Behemoth Sightings & Loch Ness Monster)
      
Study #0142 [July 31, 2016]
1st Half--Scripture reading from Amos 6-9
2nd Half--Dinosaurs and the Bible pt.3
(Behemoth & Leviathan)
      
Study #0141 [July 24, 2016]
1st Half--Scripture reading from Amos 3-5
2nd Half--Dinosaurs and the Bible pt.2
(Ica Stones & Noah's Ark)
      
Study #0140 [July 17, 2016]
1st Half--Scripture reading from Joel 3-Amos 2
2nd Half--Dinosaurs and the Bible pt.1
(Dinosaurs & Man Living Together)

You could create a novel about people in African countries who are still encountering dinosaurs and other animals that have long been thought to be extinct and wrap the refuting of evolution and the sin of the creationists using their organizations for the wrong reasons in to the story.  I would read a book like that.  A book worth reading would have to realistically portray what can be the harsh reality of being set apart for Christ.  A "fluffy" book may tickle some people's ears but they won't be grounded in Christ anywhere near as much as they need to be.

[Jeanne]

Instead of a novel, how about a series of children's books that could be used by homeschoolers to teach about these animals? As I said in an earlier post, you could write them in story form, such as a child going to a museum and learning the TRUE history of these animals from a parent or grandparent and point out the differences between what the Bible has to say and what the museum's explanation is.

[Zoologistkid]

For what I have planned for the story isn't exactly going to be "fluffy", for example, the reason why the girl was swept out to sea was that she was trying to reach out to her "friends" by preaching repentance and in anger, they slam into her, sending her tumbling until she winds up into a storm drain. She is stuck there and a huge storm happens causing to be caught up in the waters sending her a one-way ticket to the Pacific ocean stuck on a log. There she is stuck on the log for a while until another storm happens causing her to fall off the log. She almost drowns and cries out for help; the "help" in this case is a sixty foot long, fully grown mosasaur.

Actually, Kevin, I don't like fluff and prefer realistic situations like you said, Kevin. I want people to understand that if you are Christian, the world will hate you and will persecute you. The world includes so-called "Christian" organizations and creation organizations. In fact, the characters in the story are going to be Christians that have the world trying to destroy them. Does that sound better to you, Kevin?

Also, Kevin, I think the one about creationism may not be a story because I think I could try to make a nonfiction one for once.

That's a great idea, Jeanne, I think that would be fun to write.

[anvilhauler]

Hi Caleb

From here my opinion would be that you write the novel and present it to the world and see how things go. 

Changing the subject a bit. The extinction of animals is an interesting topic.  Here in New Zealand we used to have the moa (five distinct types) which is a large flightless bird.  It is believed the Maori hunted the birds to extinction.  If that was the case the Maori might not have known they were wiping the birds out as each time they killed one they were just putting food on the table and quite probably figured there were plenty more where that one came from   ....  until they were all gone.  I don't think they could ever be blamed for making the moa extinct as they wouldn't have known any better.  Put in the same situation I think I would have done the same.  Many animals go extinct all the time even without the hand of man being involved.  Does God care if animals become extinct?  Does God see animals as just a food source and something useful for His prized creation   ....  man? 

Revelation 8 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; 9 and the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.

^  That's probably quite a few extinctions right there above and like the flood is brought about by the hand of God.

[Zoologistkid]

Kevin, I should let you know there have been sightings of moas to this day. I still think they still cling to life like many said to be extinct animals.

I think that individuals within a kind may go extinct but the whole kinds themselves don't go extinct. I think this is the case with animals like the dinosaurs, marine reptiles, pterosaurs, and more animals. There is so much variety in a kind from an aquilops
to a pachyrhinosaurus
.

When I'm working on it, do you think that you would want to read it, Kevin? I would like to have advice, ideas, and more because you all are so pleasant to talk to. I thank Christ for letting me find you all because I haven't had such good conversations in a long time. I like all the ideas you all have been giving me because they sound really good and I think I will be using them.

[anvilhauler]

Hi Caleb

You are well read on animals like the moa.

Yes, as far as I know there has only been one sighting of a moa even after so many centuries of them having been considered to be extinct.  The only sighting I know of was in a most unlikely place called Erehwon (nowhere spelled backwards and it really is way out in the back of nowhere) in Canterbury and that is also where I am from.  A group of trampers (hikers in the American language) who were all credible people and had no reason to lie commented that they saw the moa and it ran away before they had the chance to get the camera out to take a photo of it.  They all said, "We know what we saw and I'll tell you now, that was a moa".

Yes, I will certainly read a book for you as you write it and will give feedback.  Very pleasing you have found a place like CLE here where you have found you can interact with others and they treat you well. 

[Zoologistkid]

Kevin, Jeanne, do you have suggestions for the story? I have thought of a few situations like I said the girl with the mosasaur and the woman with the Huaxiaosaurus. I would love to see your responses.

[anvilhauler]

Kevin, Jeanne, do you have suggestions for the story? I have thought of a few situations like I said the girl with the mosasaur and the woman with the Huaxiaosaurus. I would love to see your responses.

Hi Caleb

No suggestions from me.  If you want to be a novelist then that means you will have to have the writing skills required.  That means you will have to come up with the main theme of the novel and then the over all outline and then have the abilility to word it all in a way that will be what you want it to be for the reader.  I'm not a novelist so I won't be of any use in any way on material like that.  I totally failed English at school. 

You might find that you have to sit on your ideas for quite a long time until you figure out what you want to do and how you are going to do it.