BOB FROM TN - OCT 6, 2023
Thanks so much. I became KJVO in the early 90s, and have never once regretted it. Bible correcters chap my hide.
I am using parts and arguments from this to make my own study and came across this, as I am going to an apostate Southern Baptist church, because there is nothing much else available. The study linked below will be forwarded to the pastor, currently has been forwarded to the teacher (my personal friend) of the Sunday morning Bible study, where we have "Dr. __________"
and "Scholar _______________________", etc., retired college professors, and my friend is taken in by them. Next lunch, I will tell him it will be my turn to correct them, after he reads completely what I wrote, part of which is now here:
https://christs-disciples.org/worldly-knowledge.php
If he says no (he likes to appease, while they divide) then I will not return to that study.
I grew up in CT, born in NYC. Many, many Greeks there, Greek diners, and I went to the Greek Festival at the Orthodox Church in Waterbury, CT one summer about five years ago. Asked people FROM GREECE if they spoke, read, understood Koine Greek. No. Classical Greek only. Asked my friends' parents same thing. Same answer. Booth after booth. Same answer. These commentary and concordance authors are lying.
My church will NOT appreciate my study, and correction, however loving it will be. I have kept my silence, held my tongue. Soon, not any more.
Thanks so much. I became KJVO in the early 90s, and have never once regretted it. Bible correcters chap my hide.Thank the Lord Jesus Christ, not me.
I am using parts and arguments from this to make my own study and came across this, as I am going to an apostate Southern Baptist church, An apostate, by definition, is someone who has abandoned the church. I don't understand your situation, but it's curious why you say you are "going to" an apostate church, when, first of all, no one can "go to church" according to Scripture, and secondly, if it's apostate, it's not a church. That was confusing to me.
because there is nothing much else available. Yeah, that confuses me too. Why would you go to a place (according to your testimony, i.e. it is "apostate") that you are going to hear apostate, leavened doctrine, and fill your mind with it? I don't understand that. It's like a sheep saying that he's going to go into the mud pit with the pigs because "there is nothing much else available."
The study linked below will be forwarded to the pastor, currently has been forwarded to the teacher (my personal friend) of the Sunday morning Bible study, where we have "Dr. __________"
and "Scholar _______________________", etc., retired college professors, and my friend is taken in by them. Next lunch, I will tell him it will be my turn to correct them, after he reads completely what I wrote, part of which is now here:
https://christs-disciples.org/worldly-knowledge.php
If he says no (he likes to appease, while they divide) then I will not return to that study. Okay. The next paragraph seems like you changed the subject from this one, so is there something you wanted me to do with this information? I mean... I'm getting more confused as this continues.
I grew up in CT, born in NYC. Many, many Greeks there, Greek diners, and I went to the Greek Festival at the Orthodox Church in Waterbury, CT one summer about five years ago. Asked people FROM GREECE if they spoke, read, understood Koine Greek. No. Classical Greek only. Asked my friends' parents same thing. Same answer. Booth after booth. Same answer. These commentary and concordance authors are lying. Perhaps. Some people actually study Koine Greek, but it's extremely rare, and most (if not all) those who work on those commentaries and concordances do not have anything else but an "Intro" course (if that), which doesn't teach them much of anything. The excuse is to refer to the "Septuagint," even though there is no proper manuscript evidence to support its existence.
My church will NOT appreciate my study, and correction, however loving it will be. I have kept my silence, held my tongue. Soon, not any more.Alright. Have a great day.
Thank the Lord Jesus Christ, not me.AMEN. My attitude. An apostate, by definition, is someone who has abandoned the church. I don't understand your situation, but it's curious why you say you are "going to" an apostate church, when, first of all, no one can "go to church" according to Scripture, and secondly, if it's apostate, it's not a church. That was confusing to me.Actually, I have been saying for years, "We do not GO to church, we ARE the church". Sadly, we do not have any congregations in this area that follow the Word, so I am where I am for now. Going through a divorce currently; she left suddenly, in the middle of a dark morning without prior notice, warning. I wrote a study on that for the site, showing how
"women's prayer groups" become (behind their backs, especially mine), "women's airing their side of the story" groups.
When they pray out loud, their "god" answers them, but it is "From GOD!" Yeah, that confuses me too. Why would you go to a place (according to your testimony, i.e. it is "apostate") that you are going to hear apostate, leavened doctrine, and fill your mind with it? I don't understand that. It's like a sheep saying that he's going to go into the mud pit with the pigs because "there is nothing much else available."I study constantly, all day, on my own, so I go to not be alone like I am in this silent house all week. Not for any good teaching. I stayed home in CT and went no place for years, while those who encouraged me to try this and that were themselves taken in by the "scholarship". Since I am not going to be leaving here, and if she was not going through the divorce and she wanted to reconcile, I would teach here and not teach what they teach, but my Creation/Evolution class, and my KJVO class, both with Powerpoint slides. Then verse by verse, book by book.Okay. The next paragraph seems like you changed the subject from this one, so is there something you wanted me to do with this information? I mean... I'm getting more confused as this continues.Sorry. No. Just relating what my plan is. Just some people in the class who he reveres because they have such "knowledge" and "are brilliant!"
Often, when I do things like this correction, I wait. Especially when I am sitting there, in abject pain (heartbroken), I give them time, and enough rope to hang themselves. I then write a study, send it to the teacher, and tell them we will discuss it. I will give them a chance to either allow me to correct these people or he does. If neither, I am gone. I already corrected another old Pharisee in another class when he got the "gap theory" and "firmament" and the "ark, which was a box shape" wrong which he drew on a white board. He did not like it, but no one was correcting him, acting like he was giving them the truth. I did not hesitate. This was before the wife left.
Creation/Evolution is how I got saved; been my main ministry since 1987. You cannot tell people lies on that subject and just get away from me. I knew David Fasold personally, before he died. Met with him many times. It is a boat, not a shoe box. Well, I corrected him on that; he listened. Perhaps. Some people actually study Koine Greek, but it's extremely rare, and most (if not all) those who work on those commentaries and concordances do not have anything else but an "Intro" course (if that), which doesn't teach them much of anything. The excuse is to refer to the "Septuagint," even though there is no proper manuscript evidence to support its existence.Yeah, that old LXX. Dr. Floyd Nolen Jones gave me permission to post his books decades ago when I spoke to him.
I hate to hear that about your wife, and sadly, that is a story far too common among the men I know. Most of my friends in our church have had their wives backstab them and leave.
Creation/Evolution is how I got saved; been my main ministry since 1987.That is something I used to believe could happen to someone because of the leavened influence Kent Hovind had on me, but after the Lord freed me from that brainwashing and moved me into study of the Scriptures on my own, I now understand it is not the path to salvation. No one gets saved through being exposed to creation materials. They get saved by the hearing of the law.
But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
-Gal 3:23-25Having one's mind changed about creation/evolution is not repentance of sin, nor is "turning from sin" repentance of sin (because those are works-based doctrines). The hearing of the law brings a man to tears of godly sorrow of his wrongdoing. This is why I wrote this short book:
Why Millions of Believers on Jesus Are Going to HellAnd I wrote this so I wouldn't have to have these fruitless debates with churchgoers anymore because I don't want to preach to those who are prideful and sanctimonious, in which they are unwilling to hear, but rather, I would preach to those who have been brought low. Jesus did not spend all his time with Pharisees... He just rebuked them and moved on to spend time with the poor and needy. It's pointless to debate details with churchgoers who have not known repentance for the remission of sins; they need to hear the Gospel of Salvation just like everyone else, but if they are lifted up in the pride of their hearts and will not hear the Gospel of Salvation, then there is no point in continuing debate with them, except for selfish reasons... which is what you told me is the reason for your continued visits; meaning that, in reality, you aren't there for them; you're there for yourself, and it's not doing you any good.
What you choose to do is up to you. Have a great day.
No, I got saved through first having Evolutionism destroyed, Creation taking it over. No, that did not save me, I know that. Jesus Christ did on the Cross. And faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God. I get that. As an unbeliever though, evolutionism was my god. I got saved through the Word of God, just what I meant was that evolutionism was the first pillar to be destroyed. That is what I meant. God used that as the door to the Gospel is all I meant.
It is go for some fellowship for now. I have no hopes of contributing much. I do not debate or argue. I teach, my spiritual gift. If they do not want o heara, I move on. But in the area I am at currently, there is no place to move on to. It is horrible. Another reason to move on.
I DID NOT RESPOND AND LET IT GO...
SIX WEEKS LATER - NOV 21, 2023 - BOB WRITES AGAIN:
No. I got saved BY Jesus Christ THROUGH the Blood of His Cross, not by Creation Science. I was an atheist agnostic. I started my journey in Creation/Evolution because of delving into the Creation/Evolution controversy as a researcher/scientist, biology zoology major. It did not save me. I do not even have a decent church to go here in Tennessee, and plan to move to Malawi to continue the works there as soon as this is sold. I have friends, land a churches there to attend to, build on. They need Chichewa Bibles, teachers, etc.
https://www.christs-disciples.org/testimony.php
My Testimony
by Robert Zuvich
I was born in Brooklyn, New York in 1960, moved to Connecticut after one year and grew up on a farm, catching frogs, salamanders, snakes, butterflies, etc. in the local ponds and streams. I grew up with a love of creation ("Mother Nature", as the school put it). I entered the school system right around the time that evolution was being taught as a fact (after the 1963 removal of prayer). I hear that they taught it as a fact before that, but I just noticed it as being militant. It destroyed my faith in God since I was taught that being as good little Catholic boy meant not questioning authority.
By the time I was an adult, I was ready to teach it as fact to my kids. I was working in Production at Teledyne Microelectronics in Culver City where I met a man named Sergio Sanchez. There were some friends of mine in the test area who got saved and were changing. They kept inviting me to go to Bible study, and I kept declining. Anyways, this Sergio guy was a dangerous man. "Whatever you do", they said, "don't ask him a question-because he has an answer!" I was not actually intending to ask him a question, but was rather commenting on an article in the Los Angeles Times about the discovery of some saber-toothed tigers recently found in the La Brea tar pits. He asked me, "Do you believe in evolution?" I thought that, since everyone on the planet did, this was the stupidest question ever asked of me, and my respect for Sergio then dropped below that of a Russian Olympic judge of an American athlete in the 1976 Olympics. He said nothing more to me, but handed me four books:
What Is Creation Science? by Dr. Henry M. Morris
Scientific Creationism, by Dr. Henry M. Morris
The Twilight of Evolution, by Dr. Henry M. Morris
The Rise of the Evolution Fraud, by Malcolm Bowden
I read them innocently and honestly, not knowing what to expect-in fact not expecting anything at all, and not knowing anything about "creation science". Day by day, everything I believed in was torn to shreds and there was nothing I could do, since the authors were not touting their beliefs, but rather quoting from my favorite scientists!
Anyway, the last book The Rise of the Evolution Fraud, has a page at the back which reads,
"Beneath our feet lie the millions of fossils of extinct animals and men. It is a silent witness to a time when mankind became so degenerate that finally it was virtually wiped out in one great cataclysmic flood. Fearful though this thought may be, we can take some comfort from the fact that we have been promised that his will never happen again."
Set apart from the paragraph in big bold letters was this final grim warning,
"Next time it will be by fire!"
This was my moment of conversion. I was petrified like a fossil and suddenly felt very uncomfortable. I asked whoever it was that created all of this to please do anything in His power to prevent me from going through this fire, which I somehow understood was eternal hell (although the author was merely speaking only of the end of the world).
I did not even know what I had done, what it meant or anything. I did not even tell anyone, as I did not know what to say. I started to read an old King James Bible in the house-and understood it for the first time! Eventually, I grew in the Lord, attended church and then was introduced to and got into the newer "versions". I collected them like some people collect stamps.
This was halted when a friend of mine challenged me to investigate them for myself, after which I became King James only. I have never regretted either decision.
Your testimony just proved my point. Have you read my book? It's not very long:
Why Millions of Believers on Jesus Are Going to Hell
No. I read the Word of God, not studies ON the Word of God.
Have you read my studies on my web site? https://christs-disciples.org/
You will not.
In 37 years, you are by FAR, very far, the strangest "Christian" I have ever met. My testimony got an "A" in three Bible classes Dr. Jackson, Dr. Gordon, Dr. Goddard, at college. A short and a long version. I should have known when you "were confused" by everything I said, the exact opposite, completely unlike the thousands to who I have spoken the Gospel, taught before congregations and villages on three continents.
(Romans 10:9-10)
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
You Sir, are why people in Baptist churches are cold, unwelcoming and make people who visit one time turn to cults like JWs, Mormonism, and R.C.C.ism. I guess you even wear a Sadduccees and Pharisees outfit (suit, jacket, tie) and pound the pulpit for an hour, screaming at the people loudly, thinking that this makes you more spiritual than them. I wear a smelly, fishy tunic like Jesus and the disciples. No legalism. I go to villages where missionaries leave with no fruit to preach the gospel with kids and chickens and goats running around every where. I do not need your permission nor approval of my testimony to do so. Jesus knows me. I know Him. All I need.
(Titus 3:10 [AKJV/PCE])
A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
This is your first admonishment. Humble yourself. "You ain't all that.", as they say in the south. You desperately need it.
I AM saved. I do not need, nor wish, to ever meet your "standard" for that or anything else. Nor should anyone. The mere fact that you think anyone should even try to means you need to step down from whatever 'ministry" you think you do. You are too arrogant. I owe you no time, no effort, no explanations. It is a waste.
Good bye.
His, (The Saviour, the LORD Jesus Christ)
Bob
Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
-Gal 4:16I would simply argue that you have a basic misunderstanding of the Gospel of Salvation, and you are unwilling to even discuss it together. Our church doesn't have any such custom of that sort of contention, nor do we fellowship with railers who claim they are of Christ.
railer: one who scoffs, insults, censures or reproaches with opprobrious languageBut now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
-1Co 5:11You know where to get the information if you ever decide to investigate the matter. Have a great day.
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