Aftermath of Wynand (Banned User)

[creationliberty]

As pointed out by Silindile, the man's named is likely pronounced "vey-nand." He was banned today for his aggressive conversation, false accusations, and refusal to listen to any Scriptural reasoning. As he exited the forum, he started emailing me because he got a notification in his inbox of his email that he had received forum replies, and that is an automated process that he activated in his forum account; I did not write him. However, this is what I received, so discern the matter for yourself:
WYNAND FROM SOUTH AFRICA
Do not email me again oneness heretics. I will expose you for what you are.
Sir, you will not hear the Word. That's why you kept referring to "logic" instead of to the Bible. However, if you are of Christ (which we have not been able to establish yet), and if I was teaching false doctrine, it would be your duty to expose me.
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
-Eph 5:11
The fact that you're using this as a threat instead of doing what's right, shows that you serve the world and serve yourself, but you do not serve Christ, otherwise you would do what was right, no matter what anyone says. You would not hold it over someone's head as if you have to protect yourself from some sort of attack.

I will repeat what I wrote on the forum, though I know now that you will not listen; I hope you'll depart on your own in peace. If you ever do come to the grief and sorrow of repentance, you can contact us again.
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He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.
-Pro 18:13
If you are of Christ, I hope that one day you'll take the time to learn about this matter instead of falsely accusing us because the Bible says it is foolishness and shame unto you for how you've acted here. You ought to be an adult in understanding, not acting as a child in such matters:
Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
-1Co 14:20
However, if you cannot control yourself, I'm glad you departed on your own:
Cast out the scorner, and contention shall go out; yea, strife and reproach shall cease.
-Pro 22:10
scorn (n): a subject of extreme contempt, disdain or derision; that which is treated with contempt

Btw, I'm not deleting his account; his words and our interactions with him can help build up discernment in other Christians. He's not going to wipe away what he has said that easily. I did change his belief on his profile to "Other" because, even though he professed to believe on Christ, based on his other posts, we've not been able to determine what he really believes.
No my dear Sir they keep refering to you instead of the bible. You make a mockery of the bible just as lies of the devil scorner does. Hopefully God wil open your eyes. And I went through your teaching and you mention none of the clear scriptures I have mentioned. Jesus is not the Father. And yes He is God manifest in flesh. You dont take scripture at face value. You dont understand it. God wil be judge.
Oh... I see what's going on. Wynand; I didn't email you. That's an automated email option that you selected on your account to be notified automatically when you receive a response to one of your posts. Please stop being a child in your understanding.
And you do not confess that Jesus is the SON OF GOD THE FATHER. BECAUSE WITH YOU GOD THE FATHER IS JESUS.
Wynand; If you want to discuss this, I'll discuss it with you. But you said that you don't want me to email you anymore, you've stated clearly that you want nothing to do with us and are departing, and yet, you keep turning around and coming back here. Now, choose one of these:
1. State to me that you want to talk the issue out with me, and I'll oblige as long as you can behave yourself in a reasonable manner.
OR...
2. Depart and keep your word because I'm not going to waste my time with someone that does not want to reason together. It ought to be a shame to you that, if you believe we all are not of Christ and oppose the Word of God, that you would not make any effort to evangelize unto us, which is what the Bible instructs Christians to do:
And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
-2Ti 2:24-25

Let me know your decision.
First of all you and all your lackeys assumed I am unsaved. Your first big blunder. You are not God. Your people keep in telling me read your teachings never giving scripture. I did give because I lean not on my own understanding as you and all your friends do. I lean on God. His Word is my final authority. This scripture is clear and read it slowly and think clearly. 1 John 4:15" Whosoever shall confess that Jesus Is THE SON OF GOD( NOT GOD THE FATHER), God(The Father dwelleth in him, and he in God." Plain and simple, no origen type of analogous freaky interpretation. When the bible teach the Father and Christ as one it is the same as husband clinging to wifey and the become ONE FLESH. Weird me and my wife are two persons but the bible says one flesh? That is truth and that is the same thing with Christ and the Father that they are two persons but one. One in the bible has plurality many times. So maybe my understanding is not that corrupt as you think. So peace unto you and your brethren I am anyway no brother of yours but by quoting scripture suddenly I am a scorner that I dont understand, but I dont care what people think of me. Reviling revile not again the bible teach. Enjoy your social media I will read my bible and maybe God will help me to understand things better. So this scorner is signing of. Sorry for wasting your time.
You are not reading. No one said you were not a Christian; we said we were unable to determine it, and your continued behavior is providing more evidence against it. You did not do what I requested, which is to clearly state that you want to discuss the matter. Therefore, I am going to block your email address because you have shown yourself unwilling to discuss and peacefully reason together. I will not put up with your spam because it wastes my time. I hope you have a great day, and I would wish the Lord God to provide all your basic needs to both you and your family throughout the coming week.
Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing.
-1Pe 3:9
NOTE: I blocked his email address, which is something I very rarely do; usually only if people keep spamming me. If he replied, it would go straight to my spam box, and I have no interest to check it to see if he did. This is also exactly the same situation with Fred, another recently banned user, who was accusing me of believing things that I do not believe, but would not take the time to read and find out what it is that I teach; both Fred and Wynand accuse you all of being "lackeys," which is intended to be an insult of you all being blind followers of me, and that ought to be offensive to many of you because 1) you all follow Christ, 2) you would be rebuked for following me, and 3) lackey technically means "servant," and I am supposed to be a servant to you all, not the other way around, which is why I take the time to write all these things out and organize them for you as best I can.
For someone who claimed that he was studying the Bible on his own, I do not recall him quoting any Scripture from the moment he got here. Strange, don't you think?

[Kenneth Winslow]

So... I'm a lackey for Jesus Christ? Sounds good to me. Amen!

[Zoologistkid]

I just looked up the word Lackey, it basically means in it's most literal sense a butler or a maid. At least the Preist of Satanism was honest that he was a wolf.

[creationliberty]

I'd also like to point out something you guys may have missed to show that he was actually quite similar to Fred in passive aggressiveness. I know, some of you might be thinking that he was more open aggressive, but there was some passiveness (i.e. murmuring) in there as well.

If Dee wants to know where he started getting angry, it's when I posted this, which he did not initially respond to (i.e. you will find no response on the forum to my point here):
http://www.creationliberty.com/forum/index.php?topic=531.msg4080#msg4080
"This pattern from Wynand of posting one sentence or just a few words needs to stop. This isn't twitter. This isn't social media. This is a place where we have discussions. In addition, in this particular instance, Dee was correct in her response in which Wynand was claiming a doctrine was "not Scriptural," when in fact, it is. I think Wynand needs to start putting a bridal on the tongue; not to say that he cannot talk, as I'm glad to have his conversation with us, but that he should consider what he's saying and doing because this forum isn't a twitter feed."

I was requesting that he discuss matters fully, instead of writing quick one-line posts all the time because it wasn't doing any good for him or anyone else, and we were starting to waste a lot of our time having to ask him what he was talking about over and over. Remember when we told Fred that we are not brethren with him, and he would purposefully start out calling us "Brothers and Sisters?" In other words, he's stating the opposite with a contentious heart instead of explaining himself clearly; it's a rebelliousness against the truth in a sideways manner, acting like his rage isn't clearly seen. In the email Wynand sent me, you'll notice he said:

"Enjoy your social media I will read my bible"

He thinks no one would see his back-handed slap, and also, his anger is so hot, he's just saying things without even thinking about them, further demonstrating that he needs a bridle on his tongue, to which, I forgot to give him the Scripture on that, and he might have a hard time "keyword-searching" it because I spelled 'bridle' wrong in my first post to him about it:
If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
-James 1:26

[strangersmind]

Ya I noticed that too when he said joy your social media, he was only saying that because of what you said before about this is not twitter or social media. He must of blinded himself with his anger.

[Ruth]

I'm wondering whether Wynand thought we were adherents of modalism - it's a false doctrine that teaches that there is one God, but he 'manifests' himself as three persons, so when God 'manifests' Himself as the Father... the Son and the Holy Spirit -effectively- cease to exist.

Some argue that God was the Father in the Old Testament, the Son during Jesus' earthly ministry, and then the Holy Spirit during the 'church age'. They also say that the Son did not exist before His incarnation.

As opposed to the biblical definition of three distinct, co-existant eternal persons that are all one with each other (one God in three persons).

That might be why he said we don't confess Jesus as the Son, and were "oneness heretics", as some adhere to this teaching.

Either way it's a shame we couldn't discuss this with him.

[creationliberty]

I don't know about everyone else, but I have never believed nor taught any such thing. I think what happened is that he judged my teaching by the title. I simply quoted to him John 10:30 where Jesus said "I and my Father are one," and then gave him an article titled "Is the Trinity a Biblical Doctrine?" -- which he took to mean that I did not believe in God in Three Person as the Bible teaches, and if he had taken the time to read over what it is I believe and teach, he might have found agreement with me on doctrine, but because he decided to answer the matter before he heard it, and childishly judged the appearance instead of judging righteously, therefore, I'm glad he's gone so we can continue our peaceful discussions and study.

[Ruth]

I did check back at the article as I was confused over what he said, but there's multiple instances where you refer to Jesus as the Son.

I have come across one man who teaches this, but he also teaches tithe, speaking in tongues... His name is Vincent Bauhaus and he promotes his deliverance ministry. I don't follow his content anymore, so I don't know if he still teaches these things.

But that's the only time I can think of right now where I've heard anyone say God 'manifests Himself' in different persons.

[TheChickenWhisperer]

I'd also like to point out something you guys may have missed to show that he was actually quite similar to Fred in passive aggressiveness. I know, some of you might be thinking that he was more open aggressive, but there was some passiveness (i.e. murmuring) in there as well.

If Dee wants to know where he started getting angry, it's when I posted this, which he did not initially respond to (i.e. you will find no response on the forum to my point here):
http://www.creationliberty.com/forum/index.php?topic=531.msg4080#msg4080
"This pattern from Wynand of posting one sentence or just a few words needs to stop. This isn't twitter. This isn't social media. This is a place where we have discussions. In addition, in this particular instance, Dee was correct in her response in which Wynand was claiming a doctrine was "not Scriptural," when in fact, it is. I think Wynand needs to start putting a bridal on the tongue; not to say that he cannot talk, as I'm glad to have his conversation with us, but that he should consider what he's saying and doing because this forum isn't a twitter feed."

I was requesting that he discuss matters fully, instead of writing quick one-line posts all the time because it wasn't doing any good for him or anyone else, and we were starting to waste a lot of our time having to ask him what he was talking about over and over. Remember when we told Fred that we are not brethren with him, and he would purposefully start out calling us "Brothers and Sisters?" In other words, he's stating the opposite with a contentious heart instead of explaining himself clearly; it's a rebelliousness against the truth in a sideways manner, acting like his rage isn't clearly seen. In the email Wynand sent me, you'll notice he said:

"Enjoy your social media I will read my bible"

He thinks no one would see his back-handed slap, and also, his anger is so hot, he's just saying things without even thinking about them, further demonstrating that he needs a bridle on his tongue, to which, I forgot to give him the Scripture on that, and he might have a hard time "keyword-searching" it because I spelled 'bridle' wrong in my first post to him about it:
If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
-James 1:26

I was thinking that too Chris!  I, unfortunately, tend to shy away from "angry" sounding people.  I struggle with that.  Thank you for posting his emails.  I am glad to see exactly what type of person he is and glad he is banned.

[Joop]

I'm wondering whether Wynand thought we were adherents of modalism - it's a false doctrine that teaches that there is one God, but he 'manifests' himself as three persons, so when God 'manifests' Himself as the Father... the Son and the Holy Spirit -effectively- cease to exist.

I think Wynand did think we were adherents of modalism. However, as he is a very poor communicator, he didn't show this.

That might be why he said we don't confess Jesus as the Son, and were "oneness heretics", as some adhere to this teaching.

Again, Wynand didn't make us clear why we would be 'oneness pentecostals'.
In the thread Lies of the devil teach false doctrine, Wynand said: Jesus is not the Father, He is the eternal Son of God.
I think he meant that Jesus is not God the Father, which I have to agree with. Jesus the Son of God, and God the Father are two distinct Persons. Else we could have some form of modalism.
Very sad Wynand didn't make himself more clear.

Either way it's a shame we couldn't discuss this with him.

I agree.