DENISE FROM PENNSYLVANIA:
CLE, I'm wondering what advice you would give me? I'm looking for direction.....God's will in my life. I would like to start a nonprofit in my area. I need a fiscal sponsor and was leaning on asking Joyce Meyers Ministeries. I'm also seeking more confirmation on the will of God for this ministry.
In what ways do you know that you are answering the call of God on your life that I might use as an example.
Thanks in advance
Jan 3, 2021, 11:39 AM
I would answer those inquiries by sending you three teachings:
Why Millions of Believers on Jesus Are Going to Hell501c3: The Devil's ChurchWolves in Costume: Joyce MeyerLet me know if that helps. Have a great day. 🕵
Jan 3, 12:25 PM
I did not read all the material you sent me as of yet.
My question has not been answered. How did you know that you were called to your ministry?
I read that you are very busy and don't expect an immediate reply.....but I do expect a prayerful reply. As You are taking on a leadership role in the Kingdom of God. To hurt the least of these brings curses so I do expect a loving reply.
I read the KJV and rarely another. Commentaries can be good. Do you have any teaching degrees or authority to teach?
My KJV Bible says if they aren't against us they are for us. Maybe I take that out of context? I do hope to learn something from our conversing. Thanks
Jan 3, 2021, 2:32 PM
This short book will explain how I know that I was called into ministry:
Why Millions of Believers on Jesus Are Going to HellThe other two links I sent you will help explain the error of your understanding on a number of other matters you briefly mentioned in your email. Let me know if that helps. Have a great day. 🕵
Jan 3, 2021, 3:24 PM
I hear you loud and clear! I'm "penticostal ". Or rather was raised that way. I'm learning many new things as God prepares me for the specific revelations. They come through many teachers who I test by the spirit within. I work out my own salvation with fear and trembling. I'm so dirty and guilty myself but for the grace of God. I just can't agree upon judgment against The leaders I grew up with because that is God's job through the Holy Spirit. I fear God and tip toe lightly (and also ask God is this my heart of stone that dosen't want to hear something because I believe a soft heart is a daily choice to listen or not )(as I am also asking myself right now about this your belief ) when I somewhat or even totally disagree with a teaching by one of those leaders. We are all human and prone to make mistakes even in our teaching, whitenessing and also by example. When I read another person's view. I check it with my spirit and also against the Words of Christ. I've sat under the teaching of leaders you appear to be judging and have felt the Holy Spirit and heard God whispering to me.....felt conviction asked forgiveness. I believe when my spirit says.....wait a minute.....what was just said?.......not sure i agree with that. But that gives me no right (per the Bible) to judge another. Only Jesus/God has that authority so I leave that to Him. My job is to pray for them.....they aren't perfect but when they are ready to (because I know the Holy Spirit will be gently dealing with them) they will see their mistakes and allow God to soften their heart and ask for forgiveness and change their ways. Again....I have seen this happen. Only God gets to judge the hearts of man. I always love a good discussion where I learn things. Please pray for our Christian leaders and the Holy Spirit will do His job. Just like he works gently with us and our mistakes. Although I do see greed and corruption in the church at times. I dont believe its our job to correct it ( the person committing the sin needs to repent ( and we surly don't need to accept it). Just a thought.....what if they already saw the light and asked forgiveness and are trying to better themselves right this very moment? Let's pray for that right now in the mighty name of Jesus) They will answer to God not to us. God help us all. I sit here in tears knowing all the pain and grief people suffer and God does feel for us. He says so in His word. He loves the murderer the lier the deliverer of false teaching whether on purpose or not.......He loves us all (the same) and is drawing us all to redemption. I believe you gave a good heart. God loves you! He wants what's best for you! God bless you and keep you! I really do want to hear your heart. Not the books (opinions) of others.
Jan 3, 2021, 9:33 PM
I hear you loud and clear! I'm "penticostal ". Or rather was raised that way. I'm learning many new things as God prepares me for the specific revelations. They come through many teachers who I test by the spirit within. I work out my own salvation with fear and trembling. I'm so dirty and guilty myself but for the grace of God. I just can't agree upon judgment against The leaders I grew up with becausethat is God's job throughtheHoly Spirit. I fear God and tip toe lightly (and also ask God is this my heart of stone that dosen't want to hear something because I believe a soft heart is a daily choice to listen or not )(as I am also asking myself right now about this your belief ) when I somewhat or even totally disagree with a teaching by one of those leaders. We are all human and prone to make mistakes even in our teaching, whitenessing and also by example. When I read another person's view. I check it with my spirit and also against the Words of Christ. I've sat under the teaching of leaders you appear to be judging and have felt the Holy Spirit and heard God whispering to me.....felt conviction asked forgiveness. I believe when myspirit says.....wait a minute.....what was just said?.......not sure i agree with that. But that gives me no right (per the Bible) to judge another. Only Jesus/God has that authority so I leave that to Him. That last statement (i.e. "
that gives me no right (per the Bible) to judge another") is exactly why I sent you the book about why millions of believers in Jesus will end up in hell. Asking me questions concerning the Holy Spirit first requires that you have understanding from the Holy Spirit because those who have not come to humility of repentance (i.e. grief and godly sorrow) of their sins before the Lord Jesus Christ CANNOT understand such spiritual things:
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
-1Co 2:14Discernment is the ability to judge between good versus evil, and right versus wrong, and those who do not have their understanding unlocked by the Holy Ghost will make statements such as, "I should not judge anyone," or "no one should judge me," which are both statements that contradict what Scripture teaches us, as Paul (in First Corinthians) goes on to say in the next verse:
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
-1Co 2:15Righteous judgment is a part of the commandments Jesus Christ gave us:
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
-John 7:24If you would like to learn more about Biblical judgment, and that refusing to judge righteous judgment is nonsensical and an offense against Christ's commandments, then I recommend the following teaching:
Unbiblical Cop-outs: Don't Judge Me!I do not know enough about your beliefs yet to know whether or not you have been saved in Christ, or if you have just been deceived by false teachers. There are many false teachers in the Pentecostal cult, and I cover more on that in this teaching:
Charismatic Gibberish vs Speaking in TonguesIt is common for corrupt religious leaders to teach that no one should judge, and that is for the purpose of keeping churchgoers from judging those corrupt preachers, so they will not be discovered for the frauds they are. It is our job as Christians, as the children of light, to exercise discernment and judge righteous judgment to expose the unfruitful works of darkness, which not only does service unto God, but it also protects our neighbors from being deceived and snared.
But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
-Heb 5:14
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
-John 3:19-21
For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
-Eph 5:8-13My job is to pray for them.....they aren't perfect but when they are ready to (because I know the Holy Spirit will be gently dealing with them) they will see their mistakes and allow God to soften their heart and ask for forgiveness and change their ways. Again....I have seen this happen. Only God gets to judge the hearts of man. I always love a good discussion where I learn things. Please pray for our Christian leaders and the Holy Spirit will do His job.If you are asking me to pray God speed for a greedy, corrupt preacher like Joyce Meyer, then you are wasting your time. I will not bid her God speed because I will not partake of her evil deeds, but if you do, then are just as guilty as she is:
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
-2Jo 1:9-11I wish that Joyce Meyer would have her needs met and her family safe, but that woman is part of the ecumenical (i.e. one-world religious) movement, and she is as greedy as they come, so I will rebuke her as the Bible instructs us (as I mentioned earlier in this letter in Ephesians 5:11):
Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.
-Isa 56:11Joyce cannot serve God and mammon (i.e. money) at the same time:
No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
-Luke 16:13Therefore, you need to choose a side because you cannot serve Christ and be lukewarm:
I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
-Rev 3:15-16Did you know that Jesus Christ said He came to bring division over peace?
Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
-Luke 12:51If you want to learn more about that, I would recommend the following teaching:
The Biblical Understanding of SanctificationJust like he works gently with us and our mistakes. Although I do see greed and corruption in the church at times. I dont believe its our job to correct it Your statement tells me:
A) You do not yet understand the doctrines Jesus taught us.
B) You reject the doctrines Jesus taught us.
C) Both. (which means "willful blindness")
I cannot tell which one it is yet. The teachings I provided in the links above will help you understand those things if you are looking to understand them. The following teaching may also help to some degree:
False Converts vs Eternal Security( the person committing the sin needs to repent ( and we surly don't need to accept it). Just a thought.....what if they already saw the light and asked forgiveness and are trying to better themselves right this very moment? Let's pray for that right now in the mighty name of Jesus) My Lord Jesus Christ taught me not to put my trust in men, but rather, to follow the evidence of spiritual matters by trusting in His Word. If you want to put your trust in men, you are welcome to do so, but a fair warning:
Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.
-Jer 17:5They will answer to God not to us. God help us all. I sit here in tears knowing all the pain and grief people suffer and God does feel for us.The more I read what you write, the more I am seeing worldly sorrow instead of godly sorrow.
Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing. For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
-2Co 7:9-10He says so in His word. He loves the murderer the lier the deliverer of false teaching whether on purpose or not.......He loves us all (the same) and is drawing us all to redemption. I believe you gave a good heart. God loves you! He wants what's best for you! God bless you and keep you! I really do want to hear your heart. Not the books (opinions) of others. Ma'am, did you not realize that the book and articles I sent you were written by me? Did you not look at the name of the person you are speaking with right now and the author of those documents? I did not send you the opinions of others, and that statement only indicates that you did not bother to look at any of it. Furthermore, if you think that any man has a "good heart," then you do not understand the Scriptures because there is only one good, and that is God.
And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
-Mark 10:17-18Don't misunderstand, Jesus is good because He is God, but He was rebuking the rich ruler because the rich ruler did not believe in who Jesus is; He thought Jesus was just another man, and so Christ rebuked him for calling another man good, just as I would rebuke you for calling me good. If there is any good in me, it comes from Christ alone.
That being said, I would like to point out how much, in your own letters, you revealed your own heart, and it is not as good as you might want to believe. There is much worldly sorrow in your letters (i.e. not godly sorrow), and no Scripture at all. You speak from your own opinions rather than from the Word of God, and unless you show me otherwise, so far, I see a woman who cares more about the feelings of her heart, falsely believing that her personal feelings are the equivalent of the Holy Ghost (which is much of the reason for your confusion about knowing what your "calling" is), and therefore, you follow your own heart rather than the Word of God.
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
-Jeremiah 17:9
He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.
-Proverbs 28:26By the way you wrote your letters, I suspected you would not look over the materials I sent you, but it is not my job to study for you; it is only my job to give you access to the information you need, whether you understand that you need it or not.
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
-2Ti 2:15
The heart of the righteous studieth to answer: but the mouth of the wicked poureth out evil things.
-Pro 15:28The fact is that, many times in this letter alone, you have taught in direct opposition against God's Word. For example, you said:
"He loves the murderer the lier the deliverer of false teaching"Yet, He (i.e. God) said:
These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
-Pro 6:16-19So you say that He loves these people, while He says that He hates these people (with the utmost hatred, i.e. abomination). Who am I to believe? Should I trust in your doctrine or in His? Of course, sending His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, into this world was an act of love towards those who He is angry with every day because he is charitable even towards His enemies (
Mat 5:45), but that does not mean He has some sort of warm feeling in his heart for the lying tongues of false teachers, as you have rashly stated.
Be not rash with thy mouth, and let not thine heart be hasty to utter any thing before God: for God is in heaven, and thou upon earth: therefore let thy words be few.
-Ecc 5:2I do not believe that you heard me as
"loud and clear" as you stated. The bottom line is that what you believe and teach is in direct opposition against what God teaches, and therefore, you have no calling to start any kind of so-called "ministry" because you will only spread more false doctrine. This is why my answer to your original question was this short, free-to-read book (which I wrote myself):
Why Millions of Believers on Jesus Are Going to HellIf you cannot understand that, then you are wasting your time trying to start some leavened nonprofit organization. I say this for your sake, but I can only hope your heart is set to hear. If not, there is nothing more I can do for you. I pray that the Lord Jesus Christ would bless you and your family with safety and all your needs throughout the coming week, and I hope you have a pleasant evening. 🕵
Jan 3, 11:03 PM
I will continue to work out my own salvation. Philippines 4:12 kjv
Love God and my neighbor. Mark 12:30-32 kjv
And I will not judge ( so I won't be judged ). Matthew 7:1-5 kjv
Allow the Holy Spirit. Roman's 8:26 kjv
Live free from condemnation. Roman's 8:1-39 kjv
Cry if I'm moved to tears. 1 John 3:17,18 kjv John 11:33-35 kjv ( Jesus set the example )
Check others Spirit. Galatians 5:22,23 kjv
Endeavor to pray without ceasing. Thesalonians 5:27 kjv
Walk humbled before God and Cast my cares. 1 Peter 5:6-11 kjv
Allow God and God only to judge my heart.
Jeremiah 17:10 kjv
1 Samuel 16:7 kjv
Matthew 5:8 kjv
I need time to look up all your references.
kjv and commentaries.
This will take time as I'm back to work tomorrow.
Blessings,
Jan 3, 11:30 PM
I find it amazing how you wrote me for advice, and then have been arguing against me the entire conversation. You ignored all the Scripture I gave you, and in return, you sent me verse references, some of which I already know are taken out of context because I know them well. However, you said you wanted to take some time to look things up, and that's fair, so I will wait to draw any conclusions until you get back with me. Take your time, and have a great night.
Jan 3, 11:33 PM - ATTACHMENTS SENT WITH COMMENTARY TO 1COR 2
1 Corinthians 2:15 kjv. If you read the whole chapter you will find you have twisted the meaning. We are to judge all things by God's Spirit yet not be judged ourselves. Judgment is for the Lord only.
Again in John 7:24
Read whole chapter and a commentary will help you understand. See atachments
Ok. I have to sleep now.
I will pray for you,
Jan 3, 11:47 PM
I don't need a cheap 3-minute commentary from a leavened (i.e. corrupt) so-called "ministry" that promotes tons of false teachers. That's lazy and irresponsible. I have my own commentary, which you would know if you actually looked at anything I've taught, so it's ridiculous that you imply that I have never read the whole chapter, and I don't appreciate that back-handed slap.
http://creationliberty.com/articles/book1corinthians01.php#02You ignored the Scripture I gave you because you do not have understanding, and that is because you do not understand verse 14, and this is why you are fighting so hard against me:
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
-1Co 2:14That makes me think I'm wasting my time, but you said you would look into some things, so for the sake of charity and fairness, I will wait. However, without repentance of your sin, you cannot be saved. Don't fool yourself on that point. This is why a man can read the Bible for a hundred years, and never understand it.
Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
-2Ti 3:7That's what happens when you put your faith into your feelings instead of the Word of God.
Jan 4, 12:07 AM
You are accusing me of slapping? You ask for proof of my salvation? You asked me for scripture then said why do you give me scripture? This is getting old.
I read the book....well most of it.....as i was reading as your email interrupted it.
It does not answer my question . So......wasted time.
I now ask God for forgiveness for doubting what I heard from Him by asking another for advice. I also forgive you. I will pray for protection...cast my care and sleep. No need to waste anymore time on me.
Blessings
Jan 4, 12:58 AM
Ok. I have to sleep now.Well, that was a lie.
I appreciate the clarification. You read Christ's doctrine of repentance and remission of sins, and you pridefully rejected it. That's all I needed to know.
The multiple choice answer was C. I understand now.
Have a great night, and I hope the Lord Jesus Christ gives you as much mercy and longsuffering as He has been kind enough to give me.
END OF DISCUSSION
If you read what Denise said slowly, you can see her viciousness start to come out, especially if you have spent a number of years attending church buildings and know their habits. For example, in one of the letters, after I rebuked her, she said "I will pray for you," which some of you might take to mean that she is trying to be charitable, but that is not the way she meant it because she never mentioned praying for me before that point. Why did she wait until after I rebuked her to say that she was "praying for me?" It was said out of spite because, typically, when someone says "I will pray for you," it is after discussing something in which something bad has happened to someone, but here, Denise was just being passive-aggressive in deceit she did not want it to be known that she hated what I said to her.
In fact, one thing she said really stood out to me, and that was when she said "Cry if I'm moved to tears," which is essentially a tautology, or a sentence that means nothing. Everything cries if they are moved to tears; that's what crying is. So why would she say that? The reason she said that, if you did not catch it, is because she is trying to say that she rejects the doctrine of repentance without coming out and directly saying she rejects it, and then tries to hide behind some Bible verses where Jesus cried in order to justify herself. She thinks she's gotten away with that and justified herself, but she will not be able to justify her way out of it come Judgment Day, which is a scary thought.
She also said that she "forgives me," but for what? She never says. She said that she will pray for "protection," but it seemed to me that she meant for herself, casting off any concern about what the Scripture says on the matter because she think she is justified to worship her own feelings, and sleep well because she has satisfied her own heart.
I have had so many people write me emails asking for advice, and then when I give it to them, I am suddenly treated as an enemy. I guess I know why not many people ask me for advice, haha! However, I am not going to compromise God's Word just to make someone feel good about themselves, especially a corrupt Pentecostal who is willingly blinded into their religious cesspool, who desperately needs to hear the Gospel of Jesus so she can be saved--I just can't make people listen.
There were so many other inconsistencies and problems with what she wrote, but in these types of conversations when I am dealing with someone who I know will not listen, I have to pick and choose what I believe is most important for them to be saved. Feel free to comment on anything you found strange, interesting, or helpful.
