This is the Skype conversation Chris was referring to when he said Madonna was posting a bunch of random Scriptures with no context:
13 December, 2020
Madonna, 12:34 AM
(Philippians 1:15-20) "Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will: {16} The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds: {17} But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel. {18} What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice. {19} For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ, {20} According to my earnest expectation and my hope, that in nothing I shall be ashamed, but that with all boldness, as always, so now also Christ shall be magnified in my body, whether it be by life, or by death."
Madonna, 12:45 AM
5When a man hath taken a new wife, he shall not go out to war, neither shall he be charged with any business: but he shall be free at home one year, and shall cheer up his wife which he hath taken.
Madonna, 12:51 AM
(Matthew 19:19) "Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."
Timothy, 12:51 AM
Are there people on a call today? I’m not understanding why you’re posting those Scriptures.
Madonna, 12:56 AM
No people; I just was lead by my Lord to exhort the church with God word.
Timothy, 12:58 AM
But in what context are you posting those verses at random like that? That doesn’t make sense. You’re not explaining who they are directed to or why.
Madonna, 12:59 AM
(Mark 9:42) "And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea."
Timothy, 1:03 AM
Posting random verses like that is not exhortation. Exhortation requires explanation of how they apply to something and encouraging people to do a certain thing. Anyone here can open their Bibles at random and be “exhorted” with your method. But real exhortation requires understanding of the matter. So why are you posting these verses?
Madonna, 1:06 AM
(Matthew 23:23-24) "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. {24} Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel."
Jeanne 1:07 AM
Madonna, are you reading anything Timothy has said?
Timothy, 1:07 AM
Is there something I’m doing wrong Madonna? You need to explain yourself.
Madonna, 1:14 AM
Isn't it alright to post God word if it doesn't apply to you then you are at liberty to to reject it.
Timothy, 1:15 AM
I never said it was wrong. I was just asking why.
Jeanne 1:15 AM
Just like in the forum, Madonna, posting random scriptures with no explanation serves no discernible purpose
Timothy, 1:16 AM
I don’t understand why you’re getting so upset about it Madonna.
Jeanne 1:16 AM
If you want to post scripture, that's fine, but you should explain WHY you are posting it
Madonna, 1:19 AM
(Galatians 5:1) "Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage."
Timothy, 1:23 AM
Madonna. This is ridiculous coming from you. You should know better than to act this way. You need to explain why you’re posting this and reasoning with whoever you have a problem with. This is not imparting wisdom to anyone if you don’t explain clearly what it is you’re doing and I’m seeing a lot of pride in your responses right now.
Madonna, 1:23 AM
If God is speaking though thee scripture then examine one heart if and stand in one liberty. I am not upset with anything.
I'm simply sharing god"s word .
Timothy, 1:26 AM
I disagree. You do have a problem and you’re not explaining what it is. This is your prideful heart I’m starting to see that you are posting these verses in response to me and Jeanne accusing us of something while saying you have no problem with anyone. I’m seeing pride and lies coming from you right now and this has got to stop.
Jeanne 1:26 AM
You're not making any sense, Madonna, Again; WHY ARE YOU POSTING ALL THIS while completely ignoring anything Timothy or I have said?
Timothy, 1:29 AM
This is also an example of murmuring by giving a complaint without being completely open about it. In other words you’re suppressing the complaint you made when you responded with Matthew 23. That verse was clearly directed towards Jeanne and I.
Jeanne 1:29 AM
Please explain why you have 'felt led' to post all this. This would not be tolerated in the forum, so what makes you think it's okay to do it here?
Madonna, 1:30 AM
none of these verse is directed to anyone
Jeanne 1:30 AM
Then why are you posting them with no explanation?
This is called 'Skype chat' because it's for CONVERSATION. What you're doing, Madonna, is not conversation; it's just distraction at this point.
Madonna, 1:40 AM
Their are situations that needs to have God word apply without calling any one person to task God word can convict us ; I need these exhorting as well anyone,
Jeanne 1:49 AM
EXHORT', verb transitive egzhort'. [Latin exhortor; ex and hortor, to encourage, to embolden, to cheer, to advise. The primary sense seems to be to excite or to give strength, spirit or courage.]
1. To incite by words or advice; to animate or urge by arguments to a good deed or to any laudable conduct or course of action.
I exhort you to be of good cheer. Acts 27:22.
Young men also exhort to be sober minded.
EXHORT servants to be obedient to their masters. Titus 2:6.
2. To advise; to warn; to caution.
3. To incite or stimulate to exertion.
EXHORT', verb intransitive To deliver exhortation; to use words or arguments to incite to good deeds.
And with many other words did he testify and exhort Acts 2:40.
Please explain how what you are doing fits with the definition of exhortation, Madonna.
Timothy, 1:50 AM
You need to stop dodging the matter, Madonna. The Holy Spirit doesn’t give understanding by randomly giving verses. We are taught and exhorted with understanding of the verses not only by the context, but in the application of those verses as well. You need to explain the specific reason you’re posting these, to whom it applies and why. Randomly going by what you “felt” is good is being led by your own heart on this matter, not the Holy Spirit.
Proverbs 28:26 He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.
You’re doing this foolishly especially since you’re not being reasonable in what little explanation you’re giving because your explanation makes no sense to anyone. Again, with your method of “exhortation”, any of us can randomly open our Bibles, read a verse and have a fuzzy feeling about it. But the understanding of those verses comes from explanation of them and how they apply. I don’t see the Holy Spirit operating that way that makes no sense to the church.
Jeanne 1:54 AM
From what I've heard from Josh and Steve, I get the impression that not everything was all rainbows and sunshine while everyone was in Indiana. I don't have a clue as to what any of that is all about, since I wasn't there and didn't have Internet access for most of the time that was going on, but if all this has anything to do with any of that, then it's making no sense to me.
To be clear, neither of those guys mentioned any names or specifics; they just said the church needs prayer. I don't know what about...
Dee, 5:13 AM
Church family, let's move on from this. Each of us ought to examine ourself. If we are not forgiving, that is a sin.
We are holding on to our hurts, even though all of us were sorry and then we all hugged. Let's pray the Lord will help us with the forgiveness., and ask the Lord to give each of us healing from these and all hurts from our past.
So we can have joy and God’s Peace, and move forward.
Let us be thankful to have found each other; it's hard to find true Christians.
(Josh and i have walked miles evangelizing, and have found none.)
We've got to be kind, love each other, and forgive each other…
as God loves us, and as He forgives us.
Philippians 3:13
“Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,”
Jeanne 5:17 AM
Dee, I was just confused as to why Madonna was posting all those scriptures. I didn't know if it had anything to do with any of the stuff that happened or not. But the point was, whether it did or didn't, she needed to explain what she was posting and why.
Dee, 5:58 AM
Madonna was exiting the church and was posting scriptures for us. She explained that the people who read it will understand. She has kindness and love towards you all.
But you were unkind to her. These were all scriptures she wanted to post, but she kept being interrupted before she could get all the verses posted. The Holy Spirit is a gentle Spirit. Examine yourselves. Do you have the Holy Spirit in you? Are you gentle, kind? Our sister has been spoken to in a most unkind way. There is nothing wrong with sharing God's Word. Let it speak to us who would receive it. I didn't know there's "rules" on how to share God's Word.
edited 9:17 pm PT (I read the original post before she edited it, and it looks a lot 'nicer' now than what she originally wrote. However, since this was over a year ago, I can't remember now what she did say at first.) Jeanne 6:04 AM
Posting things like that in one of the small group chats is one thing, but when the whole church is involved, the same rules apply here as on the forum. We've had to rebuke many people there for posting random scriptures with no explanation or context, and Madonna ignored my and Tim's requests to provide such explanation and just kept posting. So yes, the rebuke was necessary.
Dee, 6:06 AM
You speak unkindly. That is not of God.
Tonya, 6:34 AM
This needs to stop. Madonna was rightfully repute for posting scripture with no context. Dee, you know I care about you and sometimes rebuke has to be sharp. I know you don’t like it when you think people are being unkind, but it is actually kind to give people sharp rebuke sometimes.
I think everybody needs to stop and take a deep breath. We should all be examining ourselves carefully. I include myself in that.
This is the kind of thing Chris was talking about on Wednesday for those of you that were there. We all need to make sure we are doing what is right.
Ellie, 6:37 AM
I didn’t want to say anything because I am new here but I’m a little concerned about what is going on. I personally was confused about the verses that Madonna was posting and before anyone even responded I was wondering if I should ask her what it was about because I thought that maybe she was on a call and accidentally sending verses to the chat with the whole church. The verses she sent are good in their context and I think with some explanation maybe it would have been helpful. I’m not upset with her for it, but i can speak for myself in saying that i was personally kind of confused about it and it didn’t make sense to me what the correlation was between the verses she was sending before anyone even responded yet. First the verse about preaching Christ of envy and strife, then a verse about a man taking a new wife, and then the verse about honoring thy father and mother. These were all before anyone responded and when I read them I was just confused about what the reason was. They’re all good verses, but I think it’s reasonable that Jeanne and Tim wanted to know what the purpose was and then going on to explain the meaning of exhortation. I don’t think there is anything wrong with sharing Bible verses, but all I’m saying is that it is reasonable to give some sort of explanation for why those specific verses were chosen or what was gleaned from them in her personal study. Otherwise it’s easy for people to become confused. And it seems out of the people who have responded, at least a few people were confused by it including myself and just wanted some clarification about what the purpose was in sending those ones.
Sometimes it’s hard to have these kinds of conversations over a chat because the “tone” can be misinterpreted when just speaking directly about things. I think that’s important to take note of when evaluating what happened today and what was said. I hope it’s okay for me to say this and I’m not out of line in anything.
Jeanne 6:42 AM
Ellie, you're not out of line at all. There were several people who were confused by what Madonna was posting and, as we all know, God is not the author of confusion.
Ellie, 6:45 AM
And I don’t even want it to seem like anyone is ganging up on Madonna or anything because I don’t feel that way at all and I am not trying to do that to her in the slightest. I only wanted to say something because I don’t want this sort of conflict to happen (as I’m sure none of us truly want it) and I just hope that there can be understanding between everyone and that it can be resolved peaceably through proper communication, self examination, and patience on everyone’s part.
END CONVERSATION
As has already been stated, what Ellie hoped for in the last paragraph did NOT happen. Madonna left and took five other people with her. What those people are doing now and where they are getting their teaching from is anybody's guess. There was a new member who came on the forum a few weeks ago, and actually joined the church, but she also left after being contacted by Madonna and believing her lies, and she would not discuss it with the rest of the church, either.
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