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Wild Emails @ CLE / Re: Crazy Lady Plays Victim to Fake Being Christian

« on: March 16, 2024, 09:58:56 AM »

 Does she ever say what her daughter believes? Most worldly people would just put her in an institution rather than put up with her conspiracies and senseless ramblings. It didn't make any sense at all when I read through it. If she was actually injured and had a brain injury, That would be somewhat under understandable, but it really doesn't sound like that. It sounds like she has bought Some kind of conspiracy theory Hook, line, and sinker. If she is living with her daughter and son in law, that's If she is living with her daughter and son-in-law, that's why I'm curious what they believe. They must not be born-again believers or wouldn't they try to help her understand repentance?

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General Discussion / Re: Repenting of pretense

« on: August 21, 2023, 07:52:08 PM »

I should have been more clear. I am hoping that Everyone, including, CLE, Will forgive me For being so self focused, Inflating my self importance: Pretentiousness. I can do nothing without the Lord Jesus Christ And I must seek All of my heart, mind, and strength.

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General Discussion / Repenting of pretense

« on: August 06, 2023, 12:50:31 PM »

Hello.

I have spent time in the Word. The Lord has shown me just how much pretense I have stood on through the years. I have repented to the Lord for my pretentiousness. I hope all of you will forgive me too. It is awful and I am ashamed.

 I thought that the situations I was in that I thought were unfair and me trying to overcome them made me special somehow. I was very pretentious "look at me, see what a great thing I am doing" but I can do nothing without Jesus Christ. I was foolish to think otherwise.

I hope you all will forgive me. I miss being able to fellowship, but I understand why you all put a stop to it.

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Bible Discussion / Re: Question For Those Who Don't Believe In Eternal Security

« on: July 06, 2023, 01:31:18 PM »

"Most of the time people who claim salvation can be lost have their hearts rooted in a works based doctrine, although they'll never admit that, but they want to believe that it's all about what they do in this life."

That is a really good point. Not only that, but those who claim to have faith to salvation instead of through repentance also exalt themselves through works.

Caleb posted in his testimony: "13. And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner." And the next verse says: "14. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted."

 It seems like those that do not have repentance look to be exalted in some way or another through their own works.

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Bible Discussion / Re: Discussing Churchianity Positions

« on: June 29, 2023, 08:45:41 AM »

 The short answer is: you can not\will not be able to convince them. They have to discover they are false covers or at least they are following a false Christ and come out of the church buildings to understand it. The entire concept is foreign to them.

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General Discussion / Re: May I return?

« on: June 14, 2023, 08:46:16 AM »

Hi Dan,

I have been trying to follow your conversation. Typing this is difficult due to a broken arm, but I would like to offer some insight.

What you are doing is drawing attention to yourself.  It is pretentiousness.  How do I know this? Because I have been guilty of it too and was removed from CLE because of it.

I am having a hard time putting the scriptures here while I am not able to move my arm, but please look at Proverbs 30: 5-9, and Romans 3: 4-18 to start. Those verses have helped me to understand the kind of character God wants from his children. And of course, please look at what Annalise sent you.  You will find it helpful if you truly study and seek the Lord first.

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General Discussion / Re: Mystery of the Hebrew Roots Cultist

« on: May 12, 2023, 10:03:27 AM »

Two things struck me as I read through this.

One was when he said "Thou lovest righteousness".  My thought was "9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" Jeremiah 17:9
God knows the heart and what is in there is often not what the Lord wants.

The other was "Do you live by the Bible or the Holy Spirit?" and "Is the Bible your idol?" It seemed to me to be non-sensical questions because John chapter 1 says "1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not."

I could be wrong, but if we worship God in spirit and in truth, don't we do that through study of His Word? And He IS the Word!

I also thought this was good research.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Shalom! WHOLENESS of The WORD of LIGHT WITHIN YOU

« on: May 06, 2023, 09:57:21 AM »

I AM Michael Enrique Smith, 61, Retired USAF.  Prior to a full and dedicated conversion to The Way, The Truth & The Life, I AM certain that the road I was traveling upon wasn't leading anywhere other than Gehenna.  In June of 2015, after three days of fasting and prayer I had an intense spiritual experience where I believe I heard the "Voice of Many Waters," which gave me an order that I AM still complying with, and was later baptized in a New Hampshire lake.

Red flag #1: This sounds like a bunch of native american philosophy. It does not sound like the Bible.

There were many opportunities for my life to have been abruptly ended and one that sticks out the most, besides the Scud Missile attack in Saudi Arabia, was when I was at the age of accountability at an "Easter" party and got caught up in the current of a wide Texas river and was certainly drowning until my body struck the legs of a tall Hispanic young man who yanked me up out of the water and saved my life. 

Lately the Spirit of Truth is spurring me to spread the Paleo-Hebraic Pictographic meaning of YHWH\Yud-Hay-Wav-Hay (Which of course is the NAME given to Moses by the Angel of the Burning Bush).  In my mind the revelation to either Jew or Gentile of the HAND, BEHOLD, NAIL, BEHOLD is a perfect way to "spread the Gospel" and point to the obvious temporal FACT that The WORD\Son of Man\Messiah has ALWAYS been the ONE communicating to this creation, i.e., "Before Abraham Came Forth, I AM."

Red Flag #2: This sounds like it came from the Hebrew Roots. Are you a part of that cult?

Since most practicing "christians" unwittingly think the name "Jesus Christ" is a first and last name and have NO idea concerning this person's FULL connection to YHWH, i.e., YA-SHUA (I AM Salvation) the Christ\Messiah|Annointed One, of Nazareth who REPEATEDLY revealed Himself to be THE LIVING GOD of Israel in the flesh, it is that message which has brought me here.

Oh, and I had signed up to get a free copy of a "messianic" bible from another website and noticed the "501c3" designation and since I had probably stumbled upon https://www.creationliberty.com/articles/501c3.php#:~:text=%22The%20exempt%20purposes%20set%20forth%20in%20section%20501%28c%29%283%29,competition%2C%20and%20preventing%20cruelty%20to%20children%20or%20animals. before, it sparked my memory, I did a quick search and BOOM.  Here I AM.

Red Flag #3: You missed the point in the 501(c)3 book. 501(c)3 problems are a heart problem.

IMHO, Everything happens for a reason and if the ROYAL Hand wants me here to share or gain insights then I AM willing to be MUSLIM in that I submit myself to the will of Elohim\Allah\El Shaddai\YHWH\Jesus.

See Red Flag #2.

Finally, another way to "preach the Good News" of the REALITY of the Kingdom of YHWH is to suggest a person research the Quantum Physics Double-Split Experiment and to grasp that our reality exists first and foremost in a WAVE state of infinite possibilities UNLESS it is specifically being OBSERVED or Watched........and THEN.....Read 1 Enoch.

Red Flag #4: I can't understand what this means. Maybe I am still too new at this? It seems to be a bunch of Hebrew roots mixed with conspiracies. I don't know.

The Seventh From Adam identifies YHWH as.....yes....The Great Watcher.

Science has proved that our reality CANNOT exist without Him.

Believe it or not.  As you wish.  Shalom!

Have you read: https://www.creationliberty.com/articles/whymillions.php ?  It is very well written and will help you understand the Red Flag comments.

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General Discussion / Re: Sanctification

« on: May 05, 2023, 02:46:08 PM »

I just wanted to say that this teaching on repentance being Godly sorrow has been absolutely monumental in how I tackle my life.

That is exactly the type of thing I was thinking about this week! I had two different times I became pretentious in my speech this week and it made me weep.  To add to it, I was studying Romans Chapter 11:

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

I know it sounds like a different context, but this is how I was thinking about it: the dead branches are people like myself that have sin and foolishness in their lives. When we have been given repentance, God can graft us back in again! Only God can bring the dead branches back to life again.

I am glad to hear you had repentance Luke. It is scary just how easy it is to fall back into the sin of the world sometimes. For me, that temptation is worldly music.  How much better I am when I listen to gentle hymns that truly praise Jesus Christ for all He has done! I don't know what your personal temptation is Luke, and I don't have to know.  I am just glad you were given that sorrow and can now overcome it.

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Introduce Yourself / A New Start; A New Introduction

« on: May 02, 2023, 06:39:59 PM »

Hello CLE,

Most of you know me. For those who do not, I am Tonya. I was removed from the fellowship in February this year for being a pretentious liar. I was guilty. I was bringing leaven into the church by trying to participate in conversations that I did not have full understanding of, and had to be removed. There was so much foolishness in my life and I, myself, was being a fool, following what people told me instead of learning what the Word said for myself. But, God, in His Mercy, has not left me there. I have learned to get more of the Word of God accessible for me and He is teaching me His Word and giving me repentance in the areas where I have sinned, but also helping me grow in His Wisdom and Knowledge. I had become complacent in my spiritual life and was not studying the way I should have. With my poor vision, it was easy to sit back and let someone else study for me and give me the answers. I am grateful that I was removed because it was a wake-up call and it forced me to finish up the digital transcriptions of God Word to be able to read it for myself.  I am still slow, but that is OK.  Slow is good for learning and thinking on the Word and its meaning.

Titus 1:16- They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Yes. That was me. Trying to participate in conversations I did not have full understanding of and this was abominable, and did not show any obedience or knowledge of the Lord. It showed me wanting to be something I was not. It was a lie.

And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will. -2 Timothy 2:25-26

My thoughts had to be taken captive and put under submission to God. I quit focusing on things that I thought showed my faith and began finding my errors and correcting them, especially foolishness, to stop worrying about how things look to others and focus on what the Lord expects of me, honesty, seeking forgiveness through repentance, charity, thinking on the things of others.

I would like to reconcile. I have reconciled with the Lord through repentance, faith, and study.  I want to be able to fellowship and study the Word with other believers. I might read slower, but I am choosing not to be embarrassed by that anymore. I know this only comes with the grace and mercy the Lord has shown me the last couple of months.  I have been sharing this with others, especially Ben. I want him to learn what I have learned recently about the Word of God and the character of God and about being charitable without expecting anything in return... I still have more to learn, but His Mercy makes me so grateful. Whatever it takes Lord! I remember Heather saying that she prayed that and I have been praying that for a while now. Whatever it takes for me, whatever it takes for Ben. Whatever it takes Lord!

Another event that really impacted me recently, our uncle, Paul, showed up at our door.  We hoped that we did the right thing by not answering the door. He went to Chris and Lorraine s place. Lorraine was kind enough to share that recording with me. Not only was I able to discern only a worldly repentance, and see the pretentious excuse he made to be on the property, but the Holy Spirit convicted me that I sound just like that: vague and wishy-washy! I was so sad! Not just for my own sin, but also for Paul, who will soon be in hell if he is not given repentance from the Lord! The pain in my heart was so hard to bear! Praise the Lord, He has helped me to think through things much more clearly and I am so grateful for the lessons on vanity, pretentiousness, and repentance He has given me through this situation. Now as situations arise in my home or in my professional life, I am able to stop and think about how the Lord would want me to answer a matter instead of spewing out a vain answer to please people.

I know that the Church cannot allow me back in without seeing my conversations. I have been trying to use the forum more and I will do what I can. I am struggling with my eye sight. I do much of my studying in Braille to save the strain on my eyes. Things take me longer, especially in situations like this forum. If the post is long and I cannot get my screen reader to work, then it can take me extra time gain understanding to respond. I will share what I have been learning though. I can do that.
We have been doing an in-depth study of Ecclesiastes. It is amazing to me just how much of what I was doing was vanity and vexing to my spirit. I was so focused on these vain things that I missed the things I should have been concentrating on. Like Matthew 6:1-
“Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: [because this is vanity] otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.”

I am really understanding now how it is not bad say good things, but if I say things just to please people, how am I being charitable? Those words are not serving a good purpose in my life or the life of the person to whom I am speaking, how can I expect the Lord to bless things in my life or show me my sin so I can be corrected? There is a shift from worrying about what other people tell me and more of looking for what the Lord tells me in His Word for what I should do, say. . . What a difference!! I no longer struggle for what I think I should say, but think about what the Lord wants me to say and do. I can trust God for my responses and just keep working and studying in the meantime.

I still mess up, but not the continuous sinful vanity like before. I am so glad the Lord is being patient with me and showing me mercy. It is humbling and that is a blessing too. It is a very different way of life.

Thank you for reading my “new” introduction. I know I was a little long winded, but I wanted to try to cover what has been happening.

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General Discussion / Re: Dietary laws and parasites

« on: April 18, 2023, 01:40:57 PM »

"I had thought that part was talking about opening up things to the gentiles since Paul came to him like right after that but I could also be wrong and it could be trying to communicate two things at once but the spreading the gospel to the gentiles was my initial take. I sometimes think to the part in Matthew where Jesus is talking about what defiles a man is not what enters him but what comes out of his mouth. I took this more so as telling the pharisees to not worry about the traditions that they had in terms of hand washing, not necessarily the food. Also in terms of what the Jews considered food, I would think they would only consider food to be clean animals, for example, no food can defile a man but unclean animals would not be food therefor not being talked about."

No, I could be the one who is wrong and I am open to being corrected. I like what you said about the book of Matthew.

Matthew 15:18-20 KJV
But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: these are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

I agree with you there. It is what is in our thoughts that defile us, not what we do to ourselves or eat.

A lot of it to would come down to how the animals were raised and treated now adays. A nice pork chop from a properly raised pig would probably be leagues healthier than Burger King chicken fries, despite one being technically clean. I think you hit the nail on the head with saying that as long as it doesn't push into the realm of gluttony it should be up to a persons personal convictions. Thank you for reeling this back into scripture because I was afraid I might have gotten a little too out there with my original post haha. The dietary laws were just always so fascinating  to me.

It is very interesting!  And yes, I have to watch what I am saying too and make sure what I say that I say with scripture in mind. The scriptures from Acts, Peter and the vision was all I needed to understand as long as my food is raised properly, I am free to eat it. For example, for years and years and I did not eat pork.  It gave me terrible digestive issues.  Recently my husband got free range pork for me to try in the form of sausage that was correctly and naturally seasoned.  I had no trouble at all with it.  That opened up a new world for me!  Yes, I certain would eat that over Burger King fries ANY day!

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General Discussion / Re: Dietary laws and parasites

« on: April 18, 2023, 11:02:04 AM »

There is something to that, as you have said. However, we live in the new dispensation, right?

Acts Chapter 10
9 On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:

10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,

11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:

12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.

13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.

14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.


For personal health reasons, there were reasons I could not eat certain meats. But since the Lord has provided some healing for me, I have been able to eat them again and have enjoyed them, grass-fed, free range only, ect. . ., with my family and the Lord has blessed it for our bodies.

I think what I am trying to say here is that you must follow your convictions from the Holy Spirit on your diet. Some things, obviously, are not good to eat, like grain-fed beef can be toxic because cattle are made to eat grass, as an example.  But, we live at liberty in Christ, and as long as we do not sin by going against our convictions or being gluttons, we are at liberty to eat.

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General Discussion / Re: Effects of your faith on personal and professional life

« on: April 14, 2023, 09:26:16 AM »

I really prayed a lot that God would show me if my heart was truly in the right place, because from my angle it just looked like I was making other Christians angry and I hated the thought of going against other Christians. A lot of the suspicions I had were resonated in what you all talk about and it was reassuring to know I wasn't the only person out here who felt the same way.

I have, and still do, run into a lot of false converts.  They do get really angry and I have to walk away.

I would say my biggest struggle, and I am still working on it, are all the useless, vain, and foolish things I say. Praise God, I am learning.

In Job 2: 10, Job rebukes the foolish things his wife said. "...thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh..." I have been thinking on that. God did not let her go unpunished. There are so many things I would take back if I could, but I can repent, and move forward speaking the truth.

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Bible Discussion / Re: The Burden of America

« on: February 17, 2023, 04:13:13 PM »

I have heard it said that Isaiah 9:10 is referring to America, but I am still not convinced of that. However, the verses do show the pride of those nations God has destroyed or will destroy because they think they can "build back better:"

"9 And all the people shall know, even Ephraim and the inhabitant of Samaria, that say in the pride and stoutness of heart,
10 The bricks are fallen down, but we will build with hewn stones: the sycomores are cut down, but we will change them into cedars."

This is what I think of whenever a politician says "build back better." God will destroy the nations for their wickedness and pride. Those that think they can build it again better than before are wrong. Just like you said Annalise, they will be destroyed for rejecting God.

Hosea 4:6 - My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

I think everything currently happening is just showing us that God has already turned away from America.

I also think you are correct about the meaning of "in that day." It might even include whatever is about to happen.

 And in that day shall ye say, Praise the LORD, call upon his name, declare his doings among the people, make mention that his name is exalted. Isaiah 12:4
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? Matthew 7:22
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. Matthew 24:36

These all refer to the future. We have not seen them happen yet.

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General Discussion / Re: God Resisteth The Proud

« on: February 11, 2023, 11:07:51 AM »

Annalisa,

What you shared has touched me!  Thank you for sharing your story. I have been battling issues of my own this week and that brought me to tears. Thank you for sharing a good example.

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Evangelism / Re: An Explanation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ

« on: February 09, 2023, 09:20:50 AM »

Even though the Lord granted me true repentance a few years ago, this really condemned me.

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."
- 1 John 3:4

"Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: when it is finished, bringeth forth death."
- James 1:15

"... Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."
- Matthew 19:18-19

I would like to add:
1 Corinthians 13:8
“Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.


I am reminded that while the Lord has taught me to be charitable to others in some ways, I still have other ways I need to change. I have set up idols in my heart and I need to tear them down and only follow the Lord. Too many times I have acted on my own "knowledge" and this has helped me realize my own knowledge is worthless.

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Bible Discussion / Re: alcohol

« on: February 03, 2023, 09:11:20 AM »

When it comes to alcohol, it definitely leans more towards the darker shades of a "grey area" if you will.

First off, some straight up facts, alcohol is a depressant and there are people who have died from over consumption of it, or caused themselves serious damage. On the lesser end of that, many have made very poor decisions and/or sinned while drunk, and yes drunkeness is condemned in the bible. Of everything I've seen, while drunk a lot of people lose a lot of their inhibitions while under the influence and their, more natural side (often time the sin side) tends to rear it's ugly head. So yes, it's dangerous.

Thing is, alcohol can also be used as an antiseptic (I think anything about 50% can act as a medical cleaner for a wound if nothing else is available,) and it also has the ability to act as a much safer option for preserving certain organic material than say formaldehyde or similar things. Thing is there aren't many practical uses for it.

As far as addiction goes, addiction affects different people in different ways. Some people might be able to take a drink but never need one again, some might become addicted to the feeling of drunkeness, others might get addicted after their first drop, same happens with other things and I believe everyone has the predisposition for a weakness to being addicted to something, thankfully some never find out what theirs is.

Will you go to hell for drinking any alcohol? No, that's never stated anywhere in the bible (although there are a number of warnings about how it can make a fool out of you in scripture,) but there are more risks than there are rewards (if any) for using it. All in all, it's not worth the risk.

Forgive me for asking, but isn't that just giving your opinion on alcohol?  Heather included articles and Dylan included scripture with what he said.  I am not trying to start trouble; I often do the same thing and I know that I should include scripture when trying to help someone work through a subject like that. Just my two cents worth. 

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Scott's Introduction

« on: December 05, 2022, 08:50:38 AM »

Welcome Scott.

Your story sounds similar to some of us. Thank you for sharing it.

What is your definition of repentance then?

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General Discussion / Re: What Is The Metaverse?

« on: December 05, 2022, 08:42:31 AM »

Is it rude of me to wonder why this is important? I stay away from such modern things more and more often. It is scary how much evil can be done with it.

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Bible Discussion / Re: Some Thoughts on Jonah 3

« on: November 07, 2022, 10:48:18 AM »

Thanks Rowan! I enjoyed reading your thoughts. I had never thought about the works meet for repentance and it being the evidence of repentance. That makes sense and makes me appreciate the book of Jonah even more.

I was always saddened that Jonah did not rejoice at the people repenting. I know when I see people truly repenting, I am joyful.