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Introduce Yourself / Re: Scott's Introduction
« on: December 11, 2022, 07:36:30 PM »
Just delete my account. Maybe one day, instead of wanting to strive and debate over what repentance is, your heart will understand.
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Introduce Yourself / Re: Scott's Introduction
« on: December 10, 2022, 08:14:17 AM »
I just tried to copy and paste his entire response into this box, twice and the platform cut it off and does not allow me to access the clipboard on my phone. It only gives me one option of paste and it looks like the multitude of words in his response were too many for this copy and paste option, to accept. The only easy answer that I can see here would be to talk on the phone. It's much quicker and way more efficient that trying to do this on a keypad.
I'm willing to talk on the phone and maybe do a group call. Otherwise It's going to be much longer than I thought. I've already spent several hours on this and so far it's only resulted in many more assumptions and FALSE ACCUSATIONS. Which is why I specifically asked Christopher if he had the Spirit of Christ, to pray BEFORE RESPONDING because the Spirit of Christ is not found to lead anyone down this road of entanglement
I'm willing to talk on the phone and maybe do a group call. Otherwise It's going to be much longer than I thought. I've already spent several hours on this and so far it's only resulted in many more assumptions and FALSE ACCUSATIONS. Which is why I specifically asked Christopher if he had the Spirit of Christ, to pray BEFORE RESPONDING because the Spirit of Christ is not found to lead anyone down this road of entanglement
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Introduce Yourself / Re: Scott's Introduction
« on: December 10, 2022, 08:05:19 AM »
Since everyone that's replied here doesn't see anything wrong with what Christopher had said, even after I clearly pointed out that the first two scriptures that he used to justify his contention against me were not even applicable to the points that he had made, and his points were initially misunderstandings, which I explained and yet he did not even apologize, but further held to his guns that his misunderstanding was my fault and he has done nothing wrong. Yet I'm the one that's being advised of not being corrected. This does not seem to be fruitful, so I will begin this second time and see whether you will judge righteously or whether you will judge unrighteously.
My quotations are going to be copy and paste, not using the features because I've found that to take a lot longer.
My quotations are going to be copy and paste, not using the features because I've found that to take a lot longer.
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Introduce Yourself / Re: Scott's Introduction
« on: December 10, 2022, 07:50:38 AM »
This is going to take some time. I will begin today, but it may take me a week or so to respond to every point of of the 10,000 words that have been set against me. I do not have access to a computer at the moment, so texting on a smartphone and using this forum trying to use the quotations feature is not easy unless I just quote every word altogether
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Introduce Yourself / Re: Scott's Introduction
« on: December 09, 2022, 11:29:57 PM »
Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
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Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
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But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
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And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
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Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
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Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. Num 16:5, 26
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But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
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If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.
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Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
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But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
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And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
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In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
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And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
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Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
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But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
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And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
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Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
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Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. Num 16:5, 26
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But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
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If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.
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Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
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But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
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And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
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In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
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And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
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Introduce Yourself / Re: Scott's Introduction
« on: December 09, 2022, 11:26:12 PM »
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Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
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Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
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Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
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But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
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Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
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And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
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If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
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Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
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Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
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Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
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But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
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Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
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And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
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If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
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Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
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Introduce Yourself / Re: Scott's Introduction
« on: December 09, 2022, 11:23:16 PM »
Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
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But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
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This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
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For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
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But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
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And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
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But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
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This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
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For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
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But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
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And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
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Introduce Yourself / Re: Scott's Introduction
« on: December 09, 2022, 11:20:31 PM »
Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
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To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
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These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
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But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
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How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
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These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
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But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
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Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
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And of some have compassion, making a difference:
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And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
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Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
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To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
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To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
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These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
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But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
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How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
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These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
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But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
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Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
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And of some have compassion, making a difference:
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And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
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Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
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To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
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Introduce Yourself / Re: Scott's Introduction
« on: December 09, 2022, 11:13:35 PM »
I did begin to explain myself in my first reply to Christopher. I apologized and corrected my errors and also corrected the errant use of the scriptures that he quoted out of their contexts. I guess he doesn't like it when someone corrects him because his response was further railing false accusations against me and now it appears more members have come to demand that I answer every one of his fallacious accusations, which multiply every time I respond and none of you can see that this is wrong? Do you all think that the way I've been treated here is good?
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Introduce Yourself / Re: Scott's Introduction
« on: December 09, 2022, 12:38:06 PM »
So rather than praying and responding in the Spirit of Christ, it becomes 100 more points of contention. The flesh lusts for a lot of things and all of them are evil and at enmity with God. One such lust is to strive and to devour.
I am not your enemy
I am not your enemy
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Introduce Yourself / Re: Scott's Introduction
« on: December 09, 2022, 08:54:58 AM »I did not say that "I will address every point." I said "I hope to" and am able to. I would prefer that Christopher changes his mind and maybe even be grieved over the way he's dealt with me and change the atmosphere of this conversation to something that looks much more like a genuine desire to communicate well, without railing accusations and character assaults, you know, a genuine love for God and man, who is created in His image? If he has the Spirit of Christ and prays in the Spirit, I shall rejoice.
I know that debates and strifes are common when people disseminate the truths that upset people and that is exactly the nature and reason for the persecution of the saints of God. It always has been. In these days of mostly text conversations, people seem to have more misunderstandings than ever before and much of that comes from reading with preconceptions or presumptions of intent with the intent to respond.But I'm not your enemy and I'm not coming here with evil intent or evil, corrupt communication
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Introduce Yourself / Re: Scott's Introduction
« on: December 09, 2022, 08:39:45 AM »
I think it would be best for Christopher to respond to my last reply addressing him before proceeding. This became a very tangled mess that began with misunderstandings and assumptions that are not correct.
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Introduce Yourself / Re: Scott's Introduction
« on: December 09, 2022, 08:32:55 AM »
I can answer every point, rightly. I would like to resolve the misunderstandings and find fellowship among the saints of God that are here. What I do not want to do is to have strifed, debates, finger pointing, railings, accusations back and forth. If this is the foundation by which my interactions here are going to be set, then I'll have much to consider before proceeding
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Introduce Yourself / Re: Scott's Introduction
« on: December 09, 2022, 08:27:02 AM »
Kenneth. so after reading my introduction and my posts, do you truly think that Christopher's accusations and character assaults against me have been just and warranted?
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Introduce Yourself / Re: Scott's Introduction
« on: December 09, 2022, 08:22:58 AM »
Christopher, if you are born again and have the Spirit of Christ in you, would you please take some time and pray in the Spirit about this and after you have prayed unto God, revisit my introduction freshly and read your subsequent responses and tell me if you really think that your replies to me have been righteous?
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Introduce Yourself / Re: Scott's Introduction
« on: December 08, 2022, 11:56:38 AM »
There is no lack of misunderstandings to maneuver here and I do hope to address every point, reasonably, when I have some down time, soon. I will pray on this matter and provide all things honestly in the sight of God and man. I am not your enemy.
In the meantime, if anyone else would, please look upon my words and see what I have written. If I have offended, or spoken presumptously, please tell me my faults or ask questions to clarify anything that might be misunderstood. That would be greatly appreciated, thanks.
In the meantime, if anyone else would, please look upon my words and see what I have written. If I have offended, or spoken presumptously, please tell me my faults or ask questions to clarify anything that might be misunderstood. That would be greatly appreciated, thanks.
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Bible Discussion / Re: The term Christian.
« on: December 07, 2022, 08:51:34 AM »
Elissa, are you addressing me? Are you insinuating that we should all be of the same mind, based upon what we call ourselves? If that's true, then let's use the most common identification in the Bible, as opposed to one ambiguous verse that's commonplace and used by more unbelievers and deceivers than it is of the saints. Or we could just not make this an issue to be divided over. I find it very unsettling that I merely explained why I chose "other" and have no problem with others using the term Christian, and the welcome I get is misused, out of context false reproof and condemnation for things that I didn't even say. The welcoming committee needs to brush up on applying the scriptures and walking in the Spirit of Christ rather than exercising (completely wrong) corrective responses.
Thanks for such a warm welcome.
I had hoped to find the holy brethren here and maybe fellowship among the saints.
It'd be great if the main theme wasn't strife of words to no profit
Thanks for such a warm welcome.
I had hoped to find the holy brethren here and maybe fellowship among the saints.
It'd be great if the main theme wasn't strife of words to no profit
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Bible Discussion / Re: The term Christian.
« on: December 06, 2022, 09:49:40 PM »
"The term Brethren is used 229 times after the Gospels but the term Christian is used only one. I did the count after the Gospels to try to leave out the term when it was used as Jesus family. Fellow helpers, prisoners, citizens, heirs, soldiers, laborers, servants and workers are all used to denote followers of Jesus. I would think we could choose any of these and be correct depending on the circumstances."
Well said
Well said
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Introduce Yourself / Re: Scott's Introduction
« on: December 06, 2022, 04:19:10 PM »
I perceive a communication problem here.
In my introduction, I was trying to summarize some of what "I believe." I said that "I believe that truth can be found -to- (I meant "by" ) anyone that sincerely seeks after the truth (generally speaking). " People can discover the truth in many things when they really want to search a matter out, the truth is discoverable. Just a few examples: 9/11, the moon landing, covid, central banking, macro evilution, pharmaceutical products, etc
I did not say that anyone can receive the things of the Spirit of God, nor did I say that any natural man can know the things that God reveals through His Spirit (the context of 1 Corinthians 2). Nor did I say that anyone seeking after God will find Him. I did not say that anyone understands God or is not under sin (the context of Romans 3).
Are you saying that unless a man is broken and helped by God, through his Holy Spirit, a man cannot discover the truth in anything?
Now in regards to repentance, I answered that "generally speaking" noting that the context is important. My use of the word "action" was incorrect and a misuse of the word for a general definition. Please forgive my mistake. I do not view the repentance of salvation shown in scripture that all men are commanded to, to be a verb; it is clearly a change of one's mind and thinking that is coupled with godly sorrow. Salvation is not found in the deeds of men.
Repent, repenteth, repentest, repentance, repenting and repentings all have their place in their contexts, applied, rightly divided.
I have suffered much "as a Christian" and I am absolutely not ashamed to suffer "as" such, because the world (which persecutes believers) identifies believers in Christ to be Christians, and many believers identify themselves in today's world, as such, therefore, will I suffer with patience, unashamed. I'm often called that by others. It's just that when referring to the brethren, I call them (and myself) believers and saints. I noticed that there have been others that have come here with a similar conviction and were not welcomed. I did wonder if this would become a point of contention, which I do not want. I am a born again believer in Jesus Christ, the Lord. If someone wants to call me a Christian, then so be it.
I'm glad that we both believe that anyone that has the testimony of the Lord Jesus Christ should be willing to share their testimony!
How did you come to the faith? Have you published your testimony? I have been encouraged much by your articles and have not seen your testimony of your conversion. I'd love to know how you came to the faith.
In my introduction, I was trying to summarize some of what "I believe." I said that "I believe that truth can be found -to- (I meant "by" ) anyone that sincerely seeks after the truth (generally speaking). " People can discover the truth in many things when they really want to search a matter out, the truth is discoverable. Just a few examples: 9/11, the moon landing, covid, central banking, macro evilution, pharmaceutical products, etc
I did not say that anyone can receive the things of the Spirit of God, nor did I say that any natural man can know the things that God reveals through His Spirit (the context of 1 Corinthians 2). Nor did I say that anyone seeking after God will find Him. I did not say that anyone understands God or is not under sin (the context of Romans 3).
Are you saying that unless a man is broken and helped by God, through his Holy Spirit, a man cannot discover the truth in anything?
Now in regards to repentance, I answered that "generally speaking" noting that the context is important. My use of the word "action" was incorrect and a misuse of the word for a general definition. Please forgive my mistake. I do not view the repentance of salvation shown in scripture that all men are commanded to, to be a verb; it is clearly a change of one's mind and thinking that is coupled with godly sorrow. Salvation is not found in the deeds of men.
Repent, repenteth, repentest, repentance, repenting and repentings all have their place in their contexts, applied, rightly divided.
I have suffered much "as a Christian" and I am absolutely not ashamed to suffer "as" such, because the world (which persecutes believers) identifies believers in Christ to be Christians, and many believers identify themselves in today's world, as such, therefore, will I suffer with patience, unashamed. I'm often called that by others. It's just that when referring to the brethren, I call them (and myself) believers and saints. I noticed that there have been others that have come here with a similar conviction and were not welcomed. I did wonder if this would become a point of contention, which I do not want. I am a born again believer in Jesus Christ, the Lord. If someone wants to call me a Christian, then so be it.
I'm glad that we both believe that anyone that has the testimony of the Lord Jesus Christ should be willing to share their testimony!
How did you come to the faith? Have you published your testimony? I have been encouraged much by your articles and have not seen your testimony of your conversion. I'd love to know how you came to the faith.
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What's New @ CLE / Re: (WEEKLY TEACHING) Christian Music: For the Love of Money p1
« on: December 06, 2022, 12:03:50 AM »
I'm sure that this topic will offend many, but it is much needed in understanding the entertainment industry (especially "Christian entertainment...") The entire industry is servant to money and most is mammon. The word "entertainment" means to hold together, specifically regarding an audience and that is done by "capturing" the hearts of the audience and is most often with a fictional or embellished storyline.
The most popular songs are songs that effectively connect with the hearts of the audience and lead them with deception.
It's good to see others that have decided to not be entertained by music, movies, books, etc
That's a good and effective part of coming out of the clouds of deception in this world, in my opinion.
Have you done any teachings on movies and theatre?
The most popular songs are songs that effectively connect with the hearts of the audience and lead them with deception.
It's good to see others that have decided to not be entertained by music, movies, books, etc
That's a good and effective part of coming out of the clouds of deception in this world, in my opinion.
Have you done any teachings on movies and theatre?
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