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General Discussion / Re: Exchange on "The Mark" (Telegram)

« on: April 02, 2022, 05:10:19 PM »

     Yes, there are multiple beasts.  The one you referenced:
Revelation 13
"11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."

Then what happens?

"12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed."

He causes the whole earth to worship the first beast.  The first beast is the one with 10 horns and 7 heads. 

"13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live."

Then the second beast demands people of the earth to make an image of the first beast.

"15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed."

Second beast gives life unto image of the first beast, and anyone who did not worship the image of the first beast is killed.

"16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."

It is the mark of the first beast.  Not the second beast.

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General Discussion / Re: Exchange on "The Mark" (Telegram)

« on: April 02, 2022, 04:47:36 PM »

""Is that how others would read it, or is James onto something with his assertion that it refers to the end times?"

^This is what I was calling snark.  I can just leave.  Seems like the wrong crowd for me.


I quoted what I was calling snark in my 3rd post. 

" Is that how others would take it, or is Ellie onto something with her assertion?"

Then I flipped it, and used the same language to Ellie, and you agreed that it was snarky.  Mystery solved.  You don't need to be baffled now.  Talking to me in the third-person comes off snarky, yes. 

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Introduce Yourself / Re: New Member

« on: April 01, 2022, 03:59:39 PM »

     I gave you my conversion story.  A man once told me he was a sinner.  He then went on to tell me about how Jesus Christ forgave him for his sins.  I began to read the New Testament, and little by little, my faith grew.  Whereas once upon a time, I was the son of a public teacher of Evolution, I now have faith in God that Jesus rose on the third day and conquered death.

     I have done what you guys have asked for a third time.  Is anyone here wanting to discuss doctrine?  Your members are totally botching Revelation.  No one has responded to my concerns.  I like how you break down snares of the world and allow people to see them for what they are.  Just like how you watched Hovind 50 times in a row, so did I.  I'm around 150-200 hours in on your teachings now.  I only came here to warn you guys.  If no one wants to discuss these important things with someone who opposes their interpretations, I need to move on.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: New Member

« on: April 01, 2022, 03:38:46 PM »

     "Please don't just say "Hello." This forum is not an impersonal social media site. Keep in mind that we do not know who you are, and so writing a bit about yourself, your beliefs, how you found this site, why you joined, (if you are a Christian, include the testimony of your conversion of repentance and faith unto Christ), etc; all those types of details will help us get to know you a bit better, and we hope you enjoy conversing with born again Christians here."

     The word, "please" insinuates that this is not mandatory.  I appreciate the request, but my conversion story is very personal to me and involves some embarrassing details that I don't feel like telling a bunch of strangers just yet.  Once I get to know you a bit better, I will surely elaborate.  So far though, I am glad I kept my conversion story to myself.  I am wondering if there are Christians here at all, or a bunch of people swelled up with their own pride.  It's my duty to test the spirits, and as much as you are testing me, I am testing you.   As soon as you repent for siding with Rowan over your own false interpretations, I will forgive you just as the Bible tells me to do, and we can move on as brothers and sisters.  Right now I am just trying to figure out if you are a sister or not.

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General Discussion / Re: Exchange on "The Mark" (Telegram)

« on: April 01, 2022, 03:21:55 PM »

     Is that how others would take it, or is Ellie onto something with her assertion?

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General Discussion / Re: Exchange on "The Mark" (Telegram)

« on: April 01, 2022, 02:20:46 PM »

     Well if it wasn't snark than it was pride.  Daniel was referring to end times because:

     Daniel 7:  "22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom."

     Who is the Ancient of days?  God.  Only God has the capabilities to judge.  Only God will judge the saints and give them possession of the kingdom.  When does God Judge?  End times.  Rowan is in error.  Also there is this:

     Daniel 7:  "25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time."
     
     Revelation 13: "5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations."


     This is the same prophesy.  Rowan mocked me claiming I just came to this conclusion out of my hat.  You defended Rowan mocking me.  Rowan was wrong, and in his pride, was snarky with me.  This is to warn you guys (my brethren) so that you will be vigilant for when that day comes.  This is my testimony of salvation.  That I hear the Word and understand it.

     Matthew 13: "23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty."

     This is the very next parable Jesus gives after the verse I just posted:

     Matthew 13:  "24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn."

     What does this parable mean? 

     Matthew 13:
"36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear."

     Jesus was speaking of end times.



     

     

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General Discussion / Re: Exchange on "The Mark" (Telegram)

« on: April 01, 2022, 01:20:04 PM »

     My belief is Christian.  I use only the King James.  I believe in repentance the same way CLE does: Godly sorrow or remorse for wrongdoing against God.  Jesus died on the cross, and rose again the 3rd day.  I wasn't referencing the scripture Rowan posted as what I was calling snark. 

"Is that how others would read it, or is James onto something with his assertion that it refers to the end times?"

^This is what I was calling snark.  I can just leave.  Seems like the wrong crowd for me.

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General Discussion / Re: Exchange on "The Mark" (Telegram)

« on: April 01, 2022, 12:14:38 PM »

     Revelation 17:
"8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast."

     You are confusing one of the 7 heads of the beast with the beast itself.  I'd be glad to walk you through the rest of
Daniel, but, honestly, your snark makes me want to just leave this forum.

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General Discussion / Re: Exchange on "The Mark" (Telegram)

« on: April 01, 2022, 09:16:20 AM »

I am aware that the Bible can be taken literally and figuratively, in so much that I don't expect believers to sprout wool because of being called sheep but deciding that the mark is figurative doesn't make contextual sense. For example, in Revelation 13:17 it says that to buy or sell one must have the mark, name or the number of the beast. Let's say Zelenko is right and we are really dealing with the mark, where is the beast's number (one patent number linking biometrics and crypto surely cannot be the sole foundation for this conclusion), and where is the beast's name and what is it? In fact even more curious, where is the beast, is he also then figurative? Revelation 13 & 14 clearly demonstrate that the beast is not figurative in a number of ways, among them the fact that scripture refers to "his mark" & "his image" whatever this beast may be he is not merely "a system".

    I see where you are coming from and I like the dedication to use God's Word properly.  However, I think you may have missed a few key discernment points about finding out how to identify the beast.  First in Daniel's prophesy:

Daniel 7:7 "7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns."

This is the first mention of a beast with ten horns. 

Daniel 7 KJV: "23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

28 Hitherto is the end of the matter. As for me Daniel, my cogitations much troubled me, and my countenance changed in me: but I kept the matter in my heart."

     I can accurately discern this is the beast mentioned in Revelation because in verse 27 it mentions the saints serving God in an everlasting kingdom.  Also in verse 28, it states "Hitherto is the end of the matter."  In other words, end times.  I can also accurately discern that the beast will be a "system" because the Bible says, "And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise." 

     Now, Revelation 13:1  "And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy." 

     Same ten horns as Daniel's prophesy. 
   
    Revelation 17: "12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast."

     10 horns = 10 kings who share one mind.  Without a doubt, something similar to the G7.  A "system".  There are other prophesies that need to be fulfilled before a mark could be instituted, and for these reasons I don't believe this vaccine is the mark.  That being said, I can assure you that the beast is a "system".  I hope this helps.

James




     

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Introduce Yourself / New Member

« on: April 01, 2022, 07:56:20 AM »

     Hi, my name is James and I am a sinner.  This is the introduction I was given by the man who taught me who Jesus was and I hope it will be good enough for you all.