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Wild Emails @ CLE / Re: Joins Our Church For Fellowship, Says Nothing, and Leaves

« on: August 31, 2022, 04:01:06 PM »

I also realize it’s easy for some group members to be defensive, especially when they have a common interest in the group.  I would add that this feedback is general consensus from three believers (to include my wife and adult son) who have each been walking with the Lord for years. For the group’s knowledge, I had checked with you out of respect ahead of time, so I knew they were welcome to listen in. I did not influence their reactions. Much of this came before I then shared a few additional thoughts with them. So I really hope that the group will take this to heart, as it comes from both male and female perspectives, and from much different ages.

The fact that Brian, or whatever his name may be, felt the need to point out that his wife and son agreed with him really struck me as well. Majority opinion is not evidence that something is the truth, it is merely evidence of a group of people having the capacity to agree with one another. The people that arranged Jesus' death agreed with each other too and so did the people that murdered the prophets of old. Agreement about spiritual matters that isn't based on God's word is meaningless. Furthermore, Brian is the head of his home, so there is a good possibility that his family takes the lead from him about spiritual matters. By this, I mean that he has likely influenced their thinking, at least to some degree, and that they would be less inclined to challenge him because he has been in church building leadership. More than that though, I also just don't quite believe it is true that they were all in agreement. I could be wrong, but I somehow doubt that they were all so incapable of some level of logical thinking. Unless we are working with a new definition of logic. Nobody considered giving the matter time i.e. listening in on more meetings? Nobody considered giving scriptural evidence to support the claims? Nobody thought of coming to a meeting and speaking to us directly? If it is true that his family agreed and not one of them considered anything beyond the desire to criticise the way we fellowship, my mind will be truly boggled and it will remain so for some time.

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Wild Emails @ CLE / Re: Joins Our Church For Fellowship, Says Nothing, and Leaves

« on: August 28, 2022, 06:13:14 AM »

One logical conclusion is it appears that at least some members, especially women, may not feel comfortable challenging Christopher and / or the status quo, partly because of Christopher’s style.

As a woman in the church, I can testify that Christopher is open to being challenged. But I think as would be the case for any rational person, he expects to be challenged based on reasonable evidence. You claimed that your conclusion was logical, what is the evidence for this logical conclusion?

To again use a 1st century church analogy, we see no indication the persecuted church spent much time debating Roman politics, nor do we have reason to think they did.  The danger in getting too political is that it takes our eyes off encouraging each other and glorifying God.  Yes, there are going to be many political common ground points among real believers, like not supporting abortion. But what we sense in Christopher’s tone and writings is almost an angry obsession with this topic. One has to question how Christopher, for example, spends so much time almost every day making primarily political posts on a Telegram channel that aren’t necessarily apparently pointing people to Christ, when he could be spending that time in better ways.
And at least guests and new members have to question how much work his wife is doing with the farm and income, as we read on the forum, while he may not be often doing productive work, especially since we read he admits that laziness has been a big sin in the past.  A logical question is how much time does Christopher, as the informal leader, spend on political posts rather than teachings, writings, and helping with the farm

Brian, I can let most of what you said slide quite easily, but not accusing Chris of being lazy and essentially wasting time on political posts. Chris and Lorraine (his wife) are probably the most hardworking people I know and they are an excellent example of the Christian work ethic to me and the rest of the church. You have no idea how much time (over years) Chris has spent writing the numerous books and articles on the website and he continually writes and rewrites to improve the articles he has already written. I am his editor and, right now, we are working on publishing the third book this year. I don’t know if you do that kind of thing and have any idea how labour intensive it is but seeing you didn’t take the time to ask anybody anything about anything, I suppose it’s because you don’t care about the truth and you would rather answer a matter before hearing it. Proverbs 18:13 ¶ “He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.”

In the 1st century church, if a neighbor a mile down the road heard about a group, the group likely wouldn’t just write back and forth a few times and then declare him a member. At least one leader or group member would meet him face-to-face first. And if both parties felt God’s direction, it’s likely the group would then invite that person to at least one group meeting before asking that person to join or giving that person the group’s blessing. 2) Have video calls instead of audio calls. And it’s part of the responsibility of the leader or elders to facilitate everyone’s participation, including those who may like to hardly ever talk and may need encouragement to step out of their comfort zone. Every member of the body needs to function.

In this group, we typically try not to focus on our feelings when dealing with spiritual matters and we certainly strive not to equate God with our feelings. The decision to let you join, even though there were reservations about you, was based on attempts to be charitable as God has commanded us to be. On the issue of the video calls, video would strain the bandwidth thus reducing the quality of the calls and you are assuming every person in the group has unlimited wi-fi access. The reason I mention this is because video calls consume massive amounts of data compared to voice calls, so it may be a financial deterrent to some for joining the call. Sometimes people can only listen because they are at work etc, so video isn’t even possible for them. If you wanted to see people’s faces because you’ve never met them, there’s nothing wrong with that, why didn’t you ask the church to switch on their videos? People in this church know that we have the liberty to speak about anything we want to, it is a pity you didn’t stay long enough to realise that and it is even more of a pity that you assumed things, without asking questions.

I was quite calm when I read most of your post but when I read how you think Chris is an example of laziness, I got a little hot under the collar. And I am not just upset about how shoddily you have treated Chris and the rest of the church, but you need to consider that you taking the body of believers so lightly shows us how little regard have for God and His Word, which is an offence to Him. Ultimately, God will give us the grace to forget about what you have done to everyone. My greater concern is for what this has done to your relationship with God. After two interactions, you came to a lot of conclusions about us and how things operate here and I would be glad to be wrong in my judgment of the situation and, hopefully, you can bring clarity to your statements. Please seriously consider bringing all your concerns, with reasonable evidence, to the church today. Since the recording will be over I am sure most of the people will not mind switching on their videos so you can see us and we can see you, since you value that.

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General Discussion / Exchange on "The Mark" (Telegram)

« on: March 01, 2022, 05:46:10 AM »

The following is a record of an exchange I recently had on Telegram. I posted it here because I wanted fellow believers to see & judge me & the matter.

It started with this post:
Dr. Zelenko came right out and said it.
😳👇🏼
https://www.redvoicemedia.com/video/2022/02/dr-zelenko-this-is-the-mark-of-the-beast-its-enslavement/

My response:
Revelation 14:9 KJV And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, I am not denying the evil of what is going on, but no one is getting jabbed in their hand or forehead. Please handle the word of God carefully because you have the power to mislead people and bring wrath upon yourself. It is dangerous.

Response (not from the person who posted the video): I will call them Party B
Silindile, if I may give you my personal opinion on the meaning of the mark being in the forehead or the hand is this:  in ancient times, when Revelation was being written, slaves were marked either on the hand or sometimes on their forehead with a branding iron.  This was done so that a slave could be easily identified.   In other words, the important issue here is that a person is marked, permanently as belonging to a master which is not God.  You do not need to receive a vaccine in your hand or forehead to fulfill this prophecy, you only need to be branded somehow (very obviously your body is marked in the most meaningful way possible, by means of your genes being changed so that everyone that is jabbed also share the same genetic make-up and it is irreversible).  Further, your hand is a symbol of actions just as your forehead is a symbol of intelligent thought since the pre-frontal cortex of the brain, which is the center for the most advanced thought in a human is a symbol for that.  So when the vaccine starts determining whether you may work or not and it also determines how you think then it has already become a mark.  Many of those who have accepted this injection will have their thoughts and actions permanently controlled by the NWO.  Thoughts = mark in the forehead.  Actions = mark in the hand.  Those going along with the NWO Agenda are mind-controlled (mark on the forehead) and they do the works of the beast by complying (mark on the hand). We cannot always interpret the Bible literally since many analogies, parables and symbols are used to make it's message understandable.

People who are jabbed are allowed world-wide to travel and to work, to trade and to sell while those who do not comply are denied participation in all the above.  In many ways the transhumanist agenda is changing people to be something other than human, using even a gel in the jabs referred to Luciferace (Race of Lucifer).  We need to not decide on behalf of others how the scriptures are to be interpreted since understanding of scripture comes from the revelation of the spirit and we should acknowledge that.  I hope you will receive this message from me as I send it, with the greatest of spiritual love and respect.

My response:
I did not join this group to be contentious but it is hard sit back & watch the Word being blatantly mishandled because as I said before, it is dangerous, both to the hearers and the speaker. 2 Peter 2:1-3 KJV But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. [2] And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. [3] And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not." In fact, I am not deciding on scriptural interpretation for anyone, I precisely quoted God's word & issued a warning about the danger of mishandling God's word which can be clearly seen: Revelation 22:18-19 KJV For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: [19] And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

I am aware that the Bible can be taken literally and figuratively, in so much that I don't expect believers to sprout wool because of being called sheep but deciding that the mark is figurative doesn't make contextual sense. For example, in Revelation 13:17 it says that to buy or sell one must have the mark, name or the number of the beast. Let's say Zelenko is right and we are really dealing with the mark, where is the beast's number (one patent number linking biometrics and crypto surely cannot be the sole foundation for this conclusion), and where is the beast's name and what is it? In fact even more curious, where is the beast, is he also then figurative? Revelation 13 & 14 clearly demonstrate that the beast is not figurative in a number of ways, among them the fact that scripture refers to "his mark" & "his image" whatever this beast may be he is not merely "a system".

Receiving the beast is sufficient to condemn people to eternal suffering: Revelation 14:9-11 KJV And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, [10] The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: [11] And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. Considering that fact, I continue warning that telling people what constitutes that mark should be approached very carefully, as should everything to do with scripture.

I acknowledge that scripture is interpreted through the Spirit; it is also interpreted by other scripture, because how does a Christian differentiate between their feelings & truth, except by the Word? (Isaiah 28:9-10 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:) You gave me your opinion about why Zelenko & you consider the technology to be the mark but when it comes to talking about God's Word should there not be at least one correlating scripture to support the truth of what was said? If everyone's opinions or feelings are sufficient to determine truth then there is no standard of truth. I would appreciate it if you support what you say with scripture so it can be weighed & sifted through the right prism.

In general, it matters little to me what people believe about the beast and his mark etc., the problem is publically spreading information that does not stand up to the light of scripture and deceiving the hearts of the simple (Romans 16:17-18). There are many people in this group & Dr Zelenko has many people that listen to him so, as much as it is within my power, I don't want people being deceived because it will lead God's name into disrepute because when people are spiritually deceived they don't usually just blame the person who deceived them, they also tend to blame God.

Focus on things like the mark of the beast also detracts & distracts from what the real problem is, which is that mankind lacks repentance (Godly grief & sorrow for sin - 2 Corinthians 7:9-10 KJV Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing. [10] For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.)  It is lack of repentance that blinds men & leads to acceptance of the mark. No matter how much anyone speaks about the mark & what it is or isn't no one will be prevented from getting it unless they are humbled to repentance & God has mercy on them.

The response from Party B: (Telegram wouldn't accept my post because it was too long so I put it into a MS Word document & sent that to the group, that is what she means by document.)
Sorry to tell you but a document is not conclusive evidence to me.  People who wish to tell me how to believe and what to believe when they cannot conduct a logical bible based debate is wasting their time, and mine.  You make several erroneous statements that are inaccurate and unkind.  This is not how I would expect believers to react to others merely because you differ from a doctrinal standpoint.  It rather comes across like an ego that wants to shove their viewpoint down others' throats.  I did not miss the several slights/hidden insults in your dox.   I would rather we all be aware and careful about the threat that the "beast system" holds to us as believers than be castigated for daring to differ from you.  It seems a bit over the top to react like this merely because you believe that the mark will be inserted directly into a person's right hand and forehead.  Extreme literal interpretations may ALSO lead people astray if the Bible's message was meant to be allegorical.  Parable was the chief teaching method that Jesus employed during his earthly ministry, and He is the one giving the Revelation to the apostle John (using many, many parables, symbols and illustrations throughout from congregations compared to candlesticks to beasts rising from the sea to Babylon the Great compared to a harlot, riding a beast with seven heads and ten horns (surely you do not interpret all of these literally, do you?), so there is no reason to reject the concept of parable and symbols in Revelation just to try to make something fit your view.  There is even less reason to accuse fellow believers of being false prophets and deceptive teachers when BOTH of us really have no way of being sure of exactly what every part of the prophecy means until we see it's fulfillment play out.  Jesus said:  by their fruits you will know them speaking of his disciples.  Galatians 5 tells us that those fruits are:   love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.  These are things that we can work on because these are the things that there can be no doubt about.  Prophecy will be revealed in it's own good time.  You cannot be the arbiter of it until then.

End of correspondence.

I was tempted to answer the accusations made against me but I decided that it wouldn't make any difference as my points were already made & not considered & it would have only been to make myself feel better/vengeful i.e. not charitable.

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Bible Discussion / The Curse of Canaan

« on: September 19, 2021, 02:03:42 PM »

This is something that I have been wondering about for some time. The question is at the end, it requires context.

Gen 9:20 And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard:
 21 And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.
 22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.
 23 And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness.
 24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.
 25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.
 26 And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.
 27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.
 28 And Noah lived after the flood three hundred and fifty years.
 29 And all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years: and he died.

My question is why was Noah's grandson, Canaan, the one who was made a servant of servants when it was his father, Ham, that offended?

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General Discussion / Re: Bill Gates: "15% of world's population can decrease through vaccines"

« on: May 29, 2021, 12:04:08 PM »

I doubt MSN is reliable as a news source but I didn't see a reason for them to lie about this specific matter. I came across an article that stated that the population growth of every continent, except Africa, has stagnated. If that is true, even a little, then Gates may be on the way to the decline he seems to think will solve the world's problems. GOD told man to be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth (Gen 1:28) and he told Abraham that he would multiply his seed as the stars and the sand on the sea shore (Gen 22:17) meaning GOD wants to see the earth overflowing with people. So, even though there are areas of the world that are completely uninhabited (not because they cannot be lived in but because people choose not to live there) Bill Gates thinks the world needs less people, in spite of the fact that mankind managed to go on just fine on earth for thousands of years without vaccines, or climate control policies.
I do think that the cities have an over-concentration of people and we can thank our education systems for that. I was never taught truly useful life skills like how to grow food or make clothes so I (and others like me) prefer to live in a place with modern conveniences because if I was thrown in a really rural area I would likely want to hitch hike my way back to the city quicker than a hiccup.

While I am on the topic of populations, there's something I noticed about the populations of China and India that I can't quite make sense of. Between just the two of them they have almost 40% of the world's population, yet they are the countries that have employed some of the most disturbingly harsh methods of population control. With India it is the forced sterilisations, especially of the poor, and it is the murder of baby girls by their families because of dowry (in India the girl's family supplies the dowry and for many families it is considered their only hope of improving their life circumstances), and in China it is the one child policy and forced sterilisations. These two countries should probably be case studies for the failure of attempts at population control, just let GOD be in control of who comes into the world and who leaves it.

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Law/Legal / Re: Here Is Your Next (FAKE) President of the U.S.

« on: January 15, 2021, 01:12:50 PM »

@Jeanne I use an app called Free Download Manager to download videos, documents etc (I am yet to find something I cannot download with it). I have used it for years without problems and, so far, it has also managed to remain free of ads, yippee! I have  attached  a screenshot of it from the Google play store. This is for demonstration, I have never used it on a tablet or smartphone, only laptops. I downloaded Kamala Harris video and it worked so you should be able to do it without incident.

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Wild Emails @ CLE / Re: A Black Man's Racist Feelings

« on: March 03, 2020, 12:41:51 PM »

"Coconut" is a very popular term in South Africa. It seems to me that if a person of colour shows signs of independent thought and/ action and "they're trying to be white".
Two-tone shoe was used as well although I haven't heard that one in a very long time.

Right now, the government seems to be making serious moves to take white farmers' lands without compensation (a bill may be signed this year). They are calling it "expropriation without compensation". All I see is South Africa potentially becoming like its neighbour, Zimbabwe, because a similar decision was the beginning of the end of their economy. A country once known as "The Breadbasket of Africa" becoming a land where daily life is a struggle.

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Wild Emails @ CLE / Re: A Black Man's Racist Feelings

« on: February 27, 2020, 01:23:14 PM »

South Africa also has affirmative action policies and when I tell people that it's just doing what apartheid (a South African policy that favoured whites and discriminated against all people of color in varying degrees) did they claim it is the only way to "redress the wrongs of the past" i.e. I am an idiot or a "coconut" (brown outside, white inside or some kind of sell out). This week I found out that university entrance requirements for medicine (maybe other courses) are ridiculously higher for whites and those of Asian descent.
In this country race is a divisive issue that raises emotions and lessens reason and it is a favourite tool of politicians.

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Bible Discussion / Re: What is a Cult?

« on: October 06, 2019, 02:49:37 AM »

There is a man, for simplicity, we will call him a Christian apologist, his name is Ravi Zacharias. While I was on YouTube yesterday I came across a video where someone asked him if Roman Catholicism is a cult. According to his own definition of what a cult is in the video, the simple answer to the young man's question was "yes" but he prevaricated and ended up not even answering the young man's question.

Here is the video below. It is approximately six and a half minutes
https://youtu.be/CisY1QTgEis

His definition does illustrate that Christopher has a point in that there isn't a point of congruity as to what a cult is, however even if there is such a thing as a cult, many people that claim to stand up for the truth are afraid to stand up like John the Baptist and JESUS did and point out "the brood of vipers/whited sepulchres". I actually wondered if he gets some kind of financial support from the Catholic community or he just wants to be inoffensive at all costs.

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General Discussion / Strange doctrine

« on: July 29, 2019, 11:55:39 AM »

Lately, a number of my clients/patients have been openly discussing their beliefs with me. In the interests of professionalism I generally avoid personal discussions with my clients beyond the usual social niceties, unless they bring something up and even then I don't always engage.

I have been running across some really strange stuff though and I think today took the cake. The guy had a lot to say but the gist of his idea was that GOD created Lucifer (which I agree with) and then went on to say GOD created evil and he has darkness and evil in HIM because of how the Bible says he created all things (which I completely disagree with). He went on to say how there is light and darkness in the world and that this reveals the nature of GOD HIMSELF. To my shame and consternation the scriptures about sweet water and bitter water and especially this one:
 1Jo 1:5

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Bible Discussion / Re: What is a Cult?

« on: July 14, 2019, 11:54:13 AM »

When I saw the question I imagined much of what Reed said and people drinking poisoned kool aid. I have always thought of a cult as people with beliefs that defy the mainstream. Looking at it now I would say that defies most of the people on this forum. It actually did occur to me a while back to ask myself if I was if I was a member of a cult. I suppose, by own definition, I am, except cults don't actually exist or everyone is in one meaning no-one is really in one...

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General Discussion / Re: Seemingly Satanic Paula White

« on: June 20, 2019, 03:13:27 PM »

She definitely preaches prosperity and she is on husband number three (a rock musician, I believe).

Did she eat the others?

Haha, I suppose she did in a way. Both divorces.

It is not just Trump she has links to, she also has links to Benny Hinn, although I am uncertain of the degree and capacity.

It makes me sad to think of her and the people deceived by her, perhaps I give her too much credit by thinking she is deceived herself.

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General Discussion / Re: Seemingly Satanic Paula White

« on: June 19, 2019, 01:05:03 PM »

I don't know what Jeanne wrote so I may repeat things she has already  stated. I read some Paula White books a long time ago, over a decade I am sure. I enjoyed them at the time, yet for some reason I kept none of them. From what I can barely recall her books were more emotional than anything else. They were full of her life experiences and things like how wonderfully her then second husband had been used to bring healing into her life. There was a great degree of self focus. I think she and Joyce Meyer have quite a bit  in common in many respects. She definitely preaches prosperity and she is on husband number three (a rock musician, I believe).

Paula White, sadly, is one of many in a long conveyor belt of new age, self styled "teachers" that fleece the flock, giving motivational speeches with a few scriptures thrown or as one poet put it "Dr Phil philosophies disguised as truth".

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Bible Discussion / Re: Looking for Analysis on this Anderson Video

« on: April 01, 2019, 12:54:01 AM »

This scripture was at the back of my mind but I just couldn't get to it until just now: 2 Timothy 2:24 KJV
And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

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Bible Discussion / Re: Looking for Analysis on this Anderson Video

« on: March 31, 2019, 10:31:32 AM »

I just realised that my post was cut off.

James 1:19 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:"
Pr 16:32 He that is slow to anger is better than the mighty; and he that ruleth his spirit than he that taketh a city."

Steven Anderson's anger with the young man in the video seems to increase the longer he speaks to him, almost as if his anger is feeding off itself. He is certainly frustrated and it seems rightfully so but his conduct does not become a man who leads the flock.

Proverbs 14:7 Go from the presence of a foolish man, when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge.
Tyler should have walked out of that meeting within the first few minutes, especially considering his wife being in labour. Anderson's aim was not to properly chasten or correct him but to hurl abuse and accusations and wound him.

It is the height of hypocrisy for Steven Anderson to claim he loves that young man and treat him so shabbily.
Tyler's manner does indicate someone dealing deceitfully when he says things like that is not exactly what he said. He is being defensive, the occasional arm folding and other mannerisms tells me the accusations likely have a basis in fact, however the handling of the conflict is not orderly after the manner of one professing faith in GOD. If I had no idea that this was Steven Anderson or connected key phrases with something to do with a church building I would never have connected these people to CHRIST.
Php 3:17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
 18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ
 19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

Steven Anderson's profession of Christ is negated by his actions and this brings not only him but genuine followers of CHRIST into disrepute because all will be tarnished by his conduct due to him not living up to his confession.

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Bible Discussion / Re: Looking for Analysis on this Anderson Video

« on: March 30, 2019, 05:41:29 AM »

James 1:9

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General Discussion / I know someone having a baby/babies through science

« on: March 27, 2019, 02:14:53 PM »

Test tube babies is people messing around with things they shouldn't be.  It is God who either allows you to have children or not have children.

Okay, but this would be another topic to discuss.

There is a divorced woman, who I considered a friend. Right now, I am hard pressed to define what we are. I mentioned to the church via Skype last year that she wanted to have a baby via artificial insemination from a sperm donor. She is adamant that anyone that thinks she's wrong should show her the exact scripture in the Bible. Nothing I have said about the problems of the situation made any impact on her and last week, I think, she shared that she is now pregnant. I really wrestled with myself about what to say now that the matter has come to the stage it is. I am concerned about her (because of the divorce - the lack of a child put a strain and contributed to the divorce and her decision to have this child) but I am even more concerned about the consequences of her decision for the child.

I am struggling to see how I can stay friends with someone who it seems doesn't hold GOD in the esteem I thought she did and I am wondering what kind of a friend it would make me to abandon someone who is clearly in crisis. I fear that her decision making stems from the emotional battering she took through the divorce. There are a number of other factors that I consider to contribute to the lack of wisdom of this decision even if I didn't consider the spiritual implications. One of them is how much she works (A LOT). This has really been bothering me but I just laid it aside because there is nothing I can do. I have reasoned to no avail.
I really needed to at least talk about it.

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General Discussion / Re: Realistic song!!

« on: March 27, 2019, 01:45:22 PM »

"this song speak a lot of truth. "
 This stood out to me. JESUS said HE is the Truth (John 14:6 King James Version (KJV) 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.) and yet the little I listened to failed to make mention of HIM. There is a tendency to consider truth subjective. If it was then Jews, Muslims etc could believe whatever they want and be saved. When discussing spiritual matters, especially, I have noticed a tendency for people to say things like, "Well, that's what you think" and "Everyone is entitled to their opinion" and the all time favourite "The Bible is open to interpretation" but that isn't the case because GOD only sees things the ways HE sees things and no other way, so, there is an ultimate truth, a truth to strive for i.e. the way GOD sees things. In my experience, saying things like what I just mentioned is a cop-out to try to justify the things in our lives that we recognise don't please GOD. The Truth has a standard and that standard is hard to live up to, but that doesn't mean we can call whatever pleases us "truth".

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Evangelism / Re: Planned Parenthood fundraiser @ the Cobra bar

« on: February 17, 2019, 10:26:43 AM »

I think I should perhaps point out that strictly speaking in Proverbs 8:36 KJV
[36] "But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death." which I think you were referring to, Kenneth, it is wisdom personified speaking, not GOD directly. Admittedly, I can certainly see how hating either wisdom or GOD would certainly lead to death.

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General Discussion / Re: Answers in Genesis

« on: February 07, 2019, 12:34:22 PM »

I just find it interesting that Ken Ham builds million dollar boats, while the church crowd builds million dollar "multi-purpose facilities/buildings"...