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(DISCUSSION) #033 Various Topics
« on: September 23, 2017, 08:55:08 PM »
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Re: (DISCUSSION) #033 Various Topics
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2017, 08:55:28 PM »
anvilhauler engineering​__Hi All

Issachar​Hey there!!

Gen-X 7​hi

anvilhauler engineering​__Well, if it doesn't happen it's not the end of the world.

Tonya Johnson​Mark 13:32

Tonya Johnson​But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

anvilhauler engineering​__No where does it comment that there will be the same scenario as when Christ was born.

Virtuous Desires​And take them straight to the welfare office...

Virtuous Desires​More social engineering.

Virtuous Desires​No, they just turn into social justice warriors.

anvilhauler engineering​__Thanks Joshua.
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Re: (DISCUSSION) #033 Various Topics
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2017, 03:29:09 PM »
Well, it looks like we are all still here  ;D 

The date setters who thought it was going to be the end of the world should quite rightly be embarrassed.  As I think Jeanne might have mentioned, the celestial scenario in Revelation happens every year and is just normal.  When Jesus was born though there were other things happening in the sky (as to be expected) and amongst those was the conjunction of Jupiter (the king planet) with Regulus (the king star).  What was happening in the sky was enough to notify the maggi who were a far off that something important was happening and that a special king was being born.

Genesis 1 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years


It is also interesting that what John saw when he was caught up to Heaven wasn't prophesied anywhere in the Old Testament. 

Revelation 12 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars


John may have even had to find out afterwards that what he saw in Heaven matched what was happening in the sky at the time of Christ's birth.
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Re: (DISCUSSION) #033 Various Topics
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2017, 08:24:22 PM »
I thought a few others might have written and mentioned the other star that was present in the sky leading up to the birth of Christ and then also leading the way later for the wise men to finally track down Jesus who was born as the king.

Normally all of the "heavens" around the area of the ectiptic rise in the east for us and pass overhead and then set in the west.  The southern and northern stars just appear to go around in a circle in the sky and in the north you even have the Pole Star that appears not to move at all because it is at direct North with respect to the spinning of the earth.

Matthew 2 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of JudŠa in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, 2 saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him. 3 When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. 4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born. 5 And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of JudŠa: for thus it is written by the prophet, 6 And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.


The "new star" must have stood out quite clearly to those who were looking at the heavens. 

Matthew 2 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
9 When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was. 10 When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy. 11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.


The other difference with this star was also that when the time came that the wise men from the east got to the house where Jesus was, the star was appearing right over the house.  That is not something that will ever normally appear.  There are stars over my house every night but they are also over everyone elses house too   .....  you would have tens of thousands of houses to choose from to get my house.

From the other information that the scriptures give regarding the heavens around the time of the birth of Christ, I do wonder if God has intentionally given us enough information that in these days we can still work out exactly when Jesus was born without having to have the "star" that the wise men saw.  i.e. the conjunction of Jupiter (the king planet) with Regulus (the king star) and then the extra information mentioned in Revelation.  As far as I know the information given in the Revelation given to John isn't the fulfilment of any of the writings that were around at the time but rather it was just describing the location of heavenly bodies at the time Christ was born. 

The celestial scene described by John in Revelation and the conjunction of Jupiter with Regulus, if viewed astronomically, would center precisely on a New Moon date within mid-September in 3 B.C., that exact celestial phenomenon would have occurred only in the early evening of September 11th. Interestingly that evening on September 11, 3 B.C.E. was also the beginning of the Jewish New Year (Rosh ha-Shanah ― The Day of Trumpets).
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