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The Last Beast Empire Of Revelations
« on: March 13, 2019, 06:39:18 AM »
The last beast of Daniels and Johns vision Fourth beast: had ten horns, and was notably different from the other beasts and exceedingly strong. Three horns were plucked to make way on the fourth beasts head for a new horn that speaks pompously. In regards to the dream that the king had of the statue and the feet made of iron and clay, 10 toes, these two elements don't bond so this may represent the instability of the nations that will rise out to be the final empire.

There has been talk about this beast being the United Nations, but i am not to sure about it. Agreed, the UN can at is's disposal have military power through the US, but i don't think it is the US either as alot out there do. We have to ask the question in respect to today's economic world, what drives our world today? Money, without it you don't have arms, military, anything like that, you can't feed your people and buy or sell anything.

We know that the last empire will represent the old Roman Empire in respect to power as the empire never really vanished, it was split in two. In my humble opinion i think the rise of the beast will be the coming together of the European Union, and through that the Antichrist will rise. Since WW2 nations have been fighting for the upper hand in the economic world to gain power and most of the time by military force. But if you get all 10 EU nations together to the point where they can establish themselves as a economic power house, then military means will pretty much become obsolete as regards to money because you won't have a lot of it. The EU for decades have been pushing for a New World Order, with a one payment money system. Today more and more people are using direct debit and cards and fast moving away from paper money as we know it today.

Chips inserted into the hands are becoming more and more a thing and companies are adopting this, at the moment employees have a choice in the matter, but what if that were to change and it became compulsory by a leader that rises up through the ranks in the EU and brings stability to the nations. This push is being realized with the reasoning of easier to pay bills, not having to handle cash, getting robbed, everything paid by a chip in your body that contains all you private information. You pretty are turned into a walking, talking self information dictionary for the authorities of the NWO. 

I believe that with the right motivation the EU can turn into a economic power houise with the control of how money is spent, used, transferred, and if it turns out to be via some form of chip later in the tribulation they can turn you off and cut you off from buying and selling if you don't acknowledge the beast and worship it.  Remember, there are 3 and a half years of peace, and now and towards the new rise of this person, there has been a push from all banking entities all over the world to get rid of money and have ab better way of doing things, and because this has been a part of our lives for a long time now with the internet and paying over the net pretty much everything to the point you can do your grocery shopping online now, we are being weened as it were to this end whether the banks now it or not about the prophecy in Revelation. Other nations that once were power houses will submit to the NWO Empire because:

1. The once EU in its new look will have the power over all the money in respects to the new way of payments and
2. Militarily it will be a power house that is greater than any super power today due to the nations that buy into it. The EU today is working towards this and have been for decades and i believe that the antichrist will use this EU to ultimately bring everything to a head.

Though this is just my humble opinion. Please excuse any typos, i have only one good eye and my hands sometimes move faster that the eye lol.. 
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Re: The Last Beast Empire Of Revelations
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2019, 08:02:13 AM »
I'm not saying we can't discuss end times speculation here, but we're more focused on biblical doctrine than on conspiracy theories. I have my own idea about a lot of things but I haven't felt that this is the place to discuss those things.

There are a lot of so-called 'ministries' out there that do nothing BUT talk about conspiracy theories. We've had to kick a few flat earthers out of here because there's nowhere the Bible says 'thou shalt believe the earth is flat'. But they seem to think you can't be saved unless you believe the way they do.

That being said, what represents the old Roman empire today more than the Catholic church?

Also, what did you mean by 'all 10 nations of the EU'? There are currently 28 countries in the EU, so which 10 were you referring to? The UK is fighting to leave so we'll have to see if the Brexit goes through or not. Seems like the people of a lot of other countries are getting pretty fed up with it as well, so we'll have to see if anyone tries to overthrow the powers that be.

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« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2019, 09:22:02 AM »
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Re: The Last Beast Empire Of Revelations
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2019, 03:15:56 PM »
Today more and more people are using direct debit and cards and fast moving away from paper money as we know it today.

Paper money was only a promissery note for coinage metals as only coinage metals are worth anything   ....  the piece of paper itself is worth nothing.  Hence ledger books used to be kept of the bank notes and struck out of the register when the note came to the end of its life and was withdrawn from circulation.  The ledger book also identified when a forged note came through the system.

If interested you can read about Operation Bernhard when the Nazis planned to crash the British economy with fake bank notes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Bernhard

There are also Youtube documentaries about it.

You can also read Chris Johnsons CLE article about when the US Federal Reserve (a private company) stole all of the gold that belonged to those who held bank notes. 
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Re: The Last Beast Empire Of Revelations
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2019, 06:51:00 PM »
This is a simple question people. The USA is the revived Roman Empire. Our POTUS, he's the antichrist.

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Re: The Last Beast Empire Of Revelations
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2019, 08:40:54 PM »
This is a simple question people. The USA is the revived Roman Empire. Our POTUS, he's the antichrist.

POTUS??

Hi Michael from New Zealand.  I'm not sure what POTUS is.  It might just be an American thing.
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Re: The Last Beast Empire Of Revelations
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2019, 10:31:45 PM »
POTUS is the abbreviation for President Of The United States.

Mat, how can you definitively say that the US is the revived Roman Empire when it never had anything to do with Rome? Also, the antichrist has not yet been revealed so for you to say that you know who it is for sure is a lie.

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« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2019, 12:18:26 AM »
Also, the antichrist has not yet been revealed so for you to say that you know who it is for sure is a lie.

I would be interested though in seeing the proof that Donald Trump's name is an indication that he is the antichrist.  If the name doesn't match the 666 then he definitely can't be.


Revelation 13 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
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Re: The Last Beast Empire Of Revelations
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2019, 01:29:10 PM »
POTUS is the abbreviation for President Of The United States.

Mat, how can you definitively say that the US is the revived Roman Empire when it never had anything to do with Rome? Also, the antichrist has not yet been revealed so for you to say that you know who it is for sure is a lie.

Ouch! It seems you are rebuking me, yes?

I see you are from the land down under so perhaps its more difficult for you to see but the USA is, without any doubt, Babylon (Revelation 18), the final worldly kingdom. Are you unaware that Washington D.C.'s original name was Rome, Maryland, and a branch of the Potomac River was called Tiber Creek, which was named after the Tiber river in Rome? Like Rome, Washington D.C. has 7 hills, whose names are: Capitol Hill, Meridian Hill, Floral Hills, Forest Hills, Hillbrook, Hillcrest, and Knox Hill. Do you know who used to own the property that the Capital sits upon in DC? He was the richest citizen of the US at the time he donated this property to our government.

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Re: The Last Beast Empire Of Revelations
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2019, 02:14:17 PM »
POTUS is the abbreviation for President Of The United States.

Also, the antichrist has not yet been revealed so for you to say that you know who it is for sure is a lie.

It's not a lie, it's the truth. I've tried to open up a bit of what happened to me about 2 years ago but it's hard for me to do. It's hard for me to explain. When I tell others about it, they think I'm crazy. It involved the CIA, the Secretary of State, the POTUS and Benghazi. But that's all I really care to say about that.

But to your response- I get the exact same comment from almost everyone I speak with on this matter-

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Re: The Last Beast Empire Of Revelations
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2019, 02:20:39 PM »
I get the exact same comment from almost everyone I speak with on this matter- The antichrist will only be revealed to Christians on the day when he sits in the temple and shows himself to be God. I certainly agree that upon the abomination of desolation the whole world will know who this man is but there

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Re: The Last Beast Empire Of Revelations
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2019, 02:21:34 PM »
God says to test the spirits to see if they are from God in 1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Jesus tells us to make a right judgment in John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. And the Bible says the person with the Spirit must judge all things in1 Cor 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. The Bible does not say that only God will know the identity of Antichrist until he is revealed to all. The Bible says that God does not do anything without telling His servant in Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets. So please don

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Re: The Last Beast Empire Of Revelations
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2019, 02:41:19 PM »
I am living in Australia now, but I was born and raised in Michigan and lived in Texas before moving here eleven years ago. I also served 8 years in the US Air Force. However, I did not know that about the history of DC.

BUT, don't forget that the Jews, along with many others who are not saved are going to see the antichrist as the Messiah. Somehow, I don't see the US president being the uniting force to bring in the one world government and one world religion (with himself as god). The popes have ALWAYS considered themselves to be at least equal, if not superior, to God.

Look at Daniel's fourth beast again:

Daniel 7:19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet; 20 and of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows. 21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them; 22 until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. 24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. 25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. 26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.


The US is definitely wicked but it hasn't been around long enough or done enough damage to the world yet to warrant the type of wrath that will be poured out on the Babylon of Revelation. Not when you compare it to the 'war against the saints' the RCC has waged against true Christianity from the very beginning. From the Inquisitions to the Crusades, even going so far as banning Bibles and sentencing people to death for possessing one.

Since living overseas, I have come to see the exaggerated sense of self-importance most Americans have with regard to the rest of the world, even to the point of trying to place themselves into Scripture.

Back to the one-world religion: don't you see how the ecumenical movement has been trying to bring the major world religions together under the umbrella of the Catholic Church? Did you see the video of Kenneth Copeland agreeing with and yoking together with the pope? Many other churches are doing the same.

Take a look at this portion of the book Chris wrote on the Catholic Church:

http://www.creationliberty.com/articles/religioncatholic.php#11

I see you posted again while I was writing this. Yes, I know about Benghazi and the coverup behind it. That still doesn't warrant the US being Babylon and Obama is out of office now and no longer POTUS. He's definitely working FOR the antichrist, but he ain't him.
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Re: The Last Beast Empire Of Revelations
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2019, 02:52:42 PM »
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I would be interested though in seeing the proof that Donald Trump's name is an indication that he is the antichrist.  If the name doesn't match the 666 then he definitely can't be.


Revelation 13 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

There is no connection between Donald Trump and the number 666. So to claim that Trump is THE antichrist is not very wise, so to speak.

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It's not a lie, it's the truth. I've tried to open up a bit of what happened to me about 2 years ago but it's hard for me to do. It's hard for me to explain. When I tell others about it, they think I'm crazy. It involved the CIA, the Secretary of State, the POTUS and Benghazi. But that's all I really care to say about that.
You are teaching all kinds of conspiracies without giving any proof. That's not very helpful.
I myself like reading and studying the Book of Revelation, however, I am very careful how to interpret this book. I think you have to be more careful, Mat!

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« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2019, 02:55:00 PM »
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I see you posted again while I was writing this.
Nope, that was me, Joop

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Re: The Last Beast Empire Of Revelations
« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2019, 02:59:28 PM »
We quite likely take a lot more interest in the end time events than it shows in the usual forum discussion.

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The antichrist will only be revealed to Christians on the day when he sits in the temple and shows himself to be God.

Matthew 24 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)


I wouldn't be so quick to think this is some third temple that is built in the last days even though it is quite likely a third "temple" will be built.  I find it interesting that the comment is made (whoso readeth, let him understand:).  Is this a reference to the necessity of the reader understanding what is the new "holy place" under the new covenant.  Would some building built out of stone be referred to as the "holy place"? 

1 Corinthians 3 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
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Re: The Last Beast Empire Of Revelations
« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2019, 03:39:54 PM »
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I see you posted again while I was writing this.
Nope, that was me, Joop

You are mixing up the second beast with the first beast. Read the whole chapter 13 and you'll see the (2) distinctly different beasts. The beast from the sea is the antichrist. The beast from the earth is the false prophet. Although the beasts combine it their efforts they have different roles. The beast from the sea is from Babylon (Revelation 18). the beast from the earth is from Mystery Babylon (Revelation 17). Pope Francis will retire this year, the next Pope will be this false prophet, aka the black pope. This Popes name will include the number 666.

But don't discount DJT's ties to 666, he has many.

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« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2019, 03:45:17 PM »
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I would be interested though in seeing the proof that Donald Trump's name is an indication that he is the antichrist.  If the name doesn't match the 666 then he definitely can't be.


Revelation 13 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

There is no connection between Donald Trump and the number 666. So to claim that Trump is THE antichrist is not very wise, so to speak.

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It's not a lie, it's the truth. I've tried to open up a bit of what happened to me about 2 years ago but it's hard for me to do. It's hard for me to explain. When I tell others about it, they think I'm crazy. It involved the CIA, the Secretary of State, the POTUS and Benghazi. But that's all I really care to say about that.
You are teaching all kinds of conspiracies without giving any proof. That's not very helpful.
I myself like reading and studying the Book of Revelation, however, I am very careful how to interpret this book. I think you have to be more careful, Mat!

I'm not teaching conspiracies. I'm not a false prophet. Please don't say that about me. I'm extremely careful in regards to this matter. We MUST be careful with God's Words. I DO NOT say anything about these matters lightly. I will not tell you an untruth here.

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« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2019, 04:09:24 PM »
I am living in Australia now, but I was born and raised in Michigan and lived in Texas before moving here eleven years ago. I also served 8 years in the US Air Force. However, I did not know that about the history of DC.

BUT, don't forget that the Jews, along with many others who are not saved are going to see the antichrist as the Messiah. Somehow, I don't see the US president being the uniting force to bring in the one world government and one world religion (with himself as god). The popes have ALWAYS considered themselves to be at least equal, if not superior, to God. The Jews, they already see him as messiah. Did you notice what happened last week on Purim?

Look at Daniel's fourth beast again:

Daniel 7:19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet; 20 and of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows. 21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them; 22 until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. 24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. 25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. 26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.


The US is definitely wicked but it hasn't been around long enough or done enough damage to the world yet to warrant the type of wrath that will be poured out on the Babylon of Revelation. Not when you compare it to the 'war against the saints' the RCC has waged against true Christianity from the very beginning. From the Inquisitions to the Crusades, even going so far as banning Bibles and sentencing people to death for possessing one. 800 military bases in about 150 countries, you should know that being a vet. Make no mistake, the RCC has always been demonically evil. If you haven't read Foxs Book of Martyrs, I high suggest doing so. It's important to understand what's soon to come to pass.

Since living overseas, I have come to see the exaggerated sense of self-importance most Americans have with regard to the rest of the world, even to the point of trying to place themselves into Scripture. I'm not trying, it's not up to me or you.

Back to the one-world religion: don't you see how the ecumenical movement has been trying to bring the major world religions together under the umbrella of the Catholic Church? Did you see the video of Kenneth Copeland agreeing with and yoking together with the pope? Many other churches are doing the same. I see it! It makes me weep almost everyday. It's everywhere. The protest is over.

Take a look at this portion of the book Chris wrote on the Catholic Church: I will read this article tonight. Chris is extremely blessed. You and I are placed in Chris's path for a reason. Not for ourselves but for Him, our Lord and Savior.

http://www.creationliberty.com/articles/religioncatholic.php#11

I see you posted again while I was writing this. Yes, I know about Benghazi and the coverup behind it. That still doesn't warrant the US being Babylon and Obama is out of office now and no longer POTUS. He's definitely working FOR the antichrist, but he ain't him. Obama is certainly an antichrist but according to the Bible he cannot be the final antichrist. Obama was the Hegelian Dialectic, we've all been played.

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Re: The Last Beast Empire Of Revelations
« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2019, 04:09:48 PM »
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Pope Francis will retire this year, the next Pope will be this false prophet, aka the black pope. This Popes name will include the number 666.
We'll wait to see if that's true. If it's true, okay, we'll move on from there. However, if that's not true, then you'll be branded a false prophet, and called to repentance of your wickedness.

I already don't believe you because, just as Joop correctly pointed out, you've given nothing Scriptural to back up that claim, and you aren't even defining your terms (i.e. the Bible does not use the phrase "black pope" anywhere). I am always cautious of people who come in here and straightaway jump into end-times conspiracies, using unbiblical terminology, which is what you did from the first post you made (i.e. you created a poll in your very first post to gather information on everyone's opinion about Revelation), which now I regret deleting for you (via your request) since that would be further evidence for me to back up my point.

The bottom line is that the more you post, the more cautious I'm becoming of you, and apparently, others here are starting to do the same. We are not a "conspiracy ministry," where we hash out theories and call it a "bible study." We stick strictly to the doctrines of the Lord Jesus Christ, and you're dealing with a group of people who have some folks with a great amount of discernment, meaning that we are also extremely careful in regards to this matter, and the more you speak, the more we'll be able to see the truth of your heart.
A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
-Luke 6:45
The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.
-Psa 34:18