None of us here is looking for a rapture anytime in the foreseeable future.
Oh I'm not saying what is being taught is a pretrib rapture, what I'm saying is that the verses which I see as clearly teaching the position I've taken, are being ascribed to the rapture. I don't think that's the case at all.
If we are not born again in the spirit while still alive in the flesh, then please explain how we can possibly live lives pleasing to the Lord.
We can't. At least not 100%, all the time every time. Just think of all the prophets, that not a single one of them was perfect. Moses, who struck the rock instead of speaking to it (probably out of frustration), was forbidden from entering the promised land. King David who was a man after God's own heart, put a man in harms way so he would die, to live out an adulterous fantasy with that man's wife. Paul said "I die daily." Even Jesus said "Why callest thou me good?"
Being stuck in this flesh body sucks. Jesus said that if we even have impure thoughts, we've sinned. I don't know about any of you here, but I'm not perfect. I have had impure thoughts this week. Not because I wanted to, but because it just is what it is. The struggle against sin is a daily struggle. If God can hear my thoughts, whenever I slip and think a little too much, God probably cringes. But I know God still loves me, and he knows that I'm at least trying
to do my best. I ask for forgiveness a lot.
It is only by our sin being covered in the blood of Jesus Christ that we can be accepted by God the Father.
I know.Romans 6:
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
The way I see it, tending to that "seed of faith" we have is what it means to "walk in the spirit" while yet still in the flesh. We have to water it by reading scripture, make sure weeds don't choke it through false doctrines, and things like that. The hope that is in us lives, but again, that which is sown is not quickened (born again) except it die. I can't help but see this a little more literally, because it is as if it jumps out of the text at me.