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Re: (ARTICLE) Is The Trinity a Biblical Doctrine?
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2016, 11:33:55 PM »
Definitely will read it; I knew that RCC's Trinity had a philosophical slant to it, but it will be interesting to read the pagan slant.
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Re: (ARTICLE) Is The Trinity a Biblical Doctrine?
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2016, 05:27:24 PM »
I knew Trinity was associated with RCC's philosophical attempt at figuring out the association between the persons; I used Triune God, thinking it was an attempt to disassociate with RCC's philosophy; now it seems that Triune God is associated with the pagans.

KJB uses Godhead; but, how many Bibles use that term?
I checked NKJV and thought it would have read like the KJB; NKJV only uses Godhead twice, Rom 1:20 and Col 2:9.
Acts 17:29 reads as other modern versions:
NKJV Acts 17:29 Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man's devising.

KJB makes it clear the association of Godhead and 'God in three persons', or 'three persons are one God'.
Acts 17:29  Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.
Roms 1:20  For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Col 2:9  For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
1John 5:7  For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.


The RCC Trinitarian association of Mary as virgin, mother, queen of heaven reminds me of some catholics who associate Immaculate Conception with Jesus while the RCC associates it with Mary.
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Re: (ARTICLE) Is The Trinity a Biblical Doctrine?
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2017, 09:16:03 AM »
I did an update to this to polish the part about God visiting Abraham. We talked about it together in our church over Skype last Sunday. The Bible does not directly tell us whether it was Father, Son, and Holy Spirit or if it was God and two angel escorts. The only indicating factor to tell which it was is the personage that Scripture uses, and it refers to the three men in both singular and plural formats interchangeably, which gives evidence that this was God in three persons visiting Abraham and Sarah.

I've had multiple people throw a fit over this, and it's ridiculous. They need to grow up. The important part to remember is that either way, it doesn't matter. God presenting Himself in three persons is still provable my many verses throughout the Bible, so it's unnecessary strife and contention.
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Re: (ARTICLE) Is The Trinity a Biblical Doctrine?
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2017, 01:50:21 PM »
I must have missed this when you originally posted it.  Nice teaching.

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Re: (ARTICLE) Is The Trinity a Biblical Doctrine?
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2017, 03:50:20 PM »
Matthew 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 and lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

This passage alone clearly shows God in three persons. Jesus was baptised as a man, the Spirit of God (Holy Spirit) descended on Him and the 'voice from heaven' is God the Father as proven by what He says.

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Re: (ARTICLE) Is The Trinity a Biblical Doctrine?
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2017, 04:09:41 PM »
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 God presenting Himself in three persons is still provable ...
Webster's 1828:
1. An individual human being consisting of body and soul.
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Just wondering if 'person' could be misleading; Father having a body and soul, Jesus having body and soul, Holy Spirit having a body and soul.

Mystery of the Godhead.
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Re: (ARTICLE) Is The Trinity a Biblical Doctrine?
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2017, 05:12:00 PM »
There are eight different definitions of the word 'person in Webster's 1828 Dictionary, yet you only chose the first one.

2. A man, woman or child, considered as opposed to things, or distinct from them.

A zeal for persons is far more easy to be perverted, than a zeal for things.

While it is true that God cannot be considered a man, He did create man in His own image so could therefore be referred to in the abstract as a 'person' as opposed to an object or 'force' or some other vague, nebulous 'power'. Each person of the Godhead is a unique individual, but again, that is not an adequate description either, because you have unique individuals among all things in nature, whether it be animals, plants, or snowflakes. God is referred to as a person (or, more correctly, three persons) because He has a personality, He makes judgements, and is a creative being.

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Re: (ARTICLE) Is The Trinity a Biblical Doctrine?
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2017, 05:39:25 PM »
The only thing about that I would be careful of saying is "unique individual." It's one God, and that could be misleading. Saying "unique person" might be better, but again, that depends on what we mean. I agree, there's more than one definition to the word "person."
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Re: (ARTICLE) Is The Trinity a Biblical Doctrine?
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2017, 11:24:36 PM »
I need to reread the whole article but I thought I would add something that may be interesting to the mix.

Hopefully this isn't folly and shame to me because I haven't prepared well.

He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.
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It is interesting that three times in Revelation it mentions the seven spirits of God.


Revelation 3 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.



Revelation 4 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.



Revelation 5 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.


God in seven persons?
Psalm 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.