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Introduce Yourself / Re: Hello I am Melissa

« on: July 28, 2020, 03:27:15 PM »

I'm a bit confused because that seemed to be a lot of information and/or stories compacted into a very short amount of space. I did not follow your post very well.

You said you saw videos on 501c3. Did you listen to entire series? Or did you read the entire book? If not, then your post makes more sense, but if you have listened to, or read, all of it, then I am not understanding why you are so hyper-focused on 501c3, rather than being hyper-focused on leaven, which is what I was teaching is the source of the problem. 501c3 is only a symptom of the underlying problem, so it sounds to me like you did not understand what I was teaching.
501c3: The Devil's Church

Also, I get where you are coming from on the witchcraft issue, and the passion you have to help others understand it, because I know of no church building anywhere near us that would teach the truth about such things, but that preacher was technically correct; women do not have teaching authority over the church specifically, and in your post, you did not explain what you meant when you said he "misunderstood."
Can Women Be Pastors?

Finally, I wanted to ask you what your interpretation of the Gospel of Salvation is because you may not have noticed that 'Jesus' was not mentioned once in your post, and so since you're new to this forum, we have no idea what it is you believe about the law, sin, guilt, repentance, remission of sins, grace, and faith. If you want to understand what we believe about those things, I would say that all of our church, and most people on our forum, believe what is written in this:
Why Millions of Believers on Jesus Are Going to Hell

If you get a chance to look at some of those things, and/or you would be willing to clarify some of those things, I think it might help us to understand you better. Take your time, and I'll look for your response whenever you're ready.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Re-Registered and update

« on: July 27, 2020, 04:06:46 PM »

Sorry about that. Typically, if someone hasn't logged in for over six months, their account gets deleted.

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What's New @ CLE / (WEEKLY TEACHING) Why Millions of Believers on Jesus Are Going to Hell p1

« on: July 27, 2020, 03:11:01 PM »

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General Discussion / Re: Church building music

« on: July 25, 2020, 05:57:16 PM »

Oh! What is wrong with me? I'm sorry. I don't typically like to read my own quotes, so I ignored that part when I read his post, and because I didn't read the quote at the top of his post, I made spoke like an idiot. Lesson learned.

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General Discussion / Re: Church building music

« on: July 25, 2020, 10:37:59 AM »

"A LITTLE off-topic?" I'm trying to figure out how that had anything whatsoever to do with Kenneth's original post.

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Wild Emails @ CLE / Conspiracy Fanatic Believes His Mind is The Source of All Truth

« on: July 24, 2020, 01:49:11 PM »

ERIC FROM CANADA:
Ref Washington:
There are many paintings of Washington in full Masonic regalia, including laying the cornerstone of the Capitol. Washington city is full of statues of Washington in masonic regalia & symbolism. The main lodge also proclaims Washington to be a Mason. That's evidence beyond question.
You forget a main tenet of Masons is to deceive:"To deceive is glorious." Thus the word of a Mason is worthless. Masons say whatever is needed. Thus the letter you quote & rely on is not strong evidence like you believe.
Then go believe whatever you want. My job is to present the facts, not make you believe them. My study and research does not involve quoting the vague opinions of random people who email me, which is why you will notice that my website does not contain references that say, "-Eric from Canada said so." You are free to go get your information somewhere else. I hope you depart from our ministry in peace, and I wish you a pleasant evening. *insert detective emoji*
END OF DISCUSSION:
The reason I am posting this letter is to demonstrate how arrogant people tend to be, in combination with the fact that most people who write me do not the book/article in reference BEFORE they write me. The reference he was making was to my teaching called "Freemasonry: A Luciferian Beacon," which is my book exposing the Luciferian religion of Freemasonry.

If you read the book, specifically chapter 7, you will find that, not only do I point out that Washington was a member of a Masonic lodge, but I also published an image of Washington in the "Masonic regalia." So those of you who just read this letter, and have read chapter 7, are probably asking yourselves: "What was this guy's problem?'

The problem is that, the letters (i.e. letters PLURAL, which means it was not just one, as he claimed) that I was quoting was providing evidence that Washington did not care about being a Mason, and had only stepped foot inside a Masonic temple twice in 30 years. So the problem is that all the "conspiracy ministries" out there claim that Washington was this secret, super-high level Freemason that started a Masonic foundational conspiracy in the United States, when in reality, he just went along with their "photo" requests, as he did with many groups at that time, because he was the first president of the United States and had to do a lot of public work to help keep citizens confident in the early struggles of a baby nation.

Washington rarely attended church buildings, but that does not mean he believed on Christ. Washington also rarely attended Masonic meetings, but that does not mean he believed in the tenants of Freemasons, and later in his life, he confessed that there was Illuminati conspiracy behind the scenes in Freemasonry that he was previously unaware of, which he also said he despised.

The point is that you will always have conspiracy fanatics who will rant and rage like toddlers when their conspiracy paradigms do not match the actual research. The reason I keep getting crazy letters like these from so many of them is because most of them rely on blogs and dramatic YouTube videos as their source of information, and when someone comes along with well-documented research (which is normally foreign to their community), they expect that author to repeat the conspiracy community's mantras and ideology, otherwise, they throw a tantrum because, in their minds, the movement is more important than the truth.

Folks, please keep in mind that the people who are pulling the strings behind the curtain of media, government, religion, and secret societies, are most often not in the mainstream view. In other words, most of those who are in charge behind the scenes are faceless and nameless to the public because they remain hidden, and those who are in the mainstream light are most often just their puppets.

Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
-Gal 4:16

The fact is that Eric did not find this ministry because he was looking for the truth of Jesus Christ and wanted to learn more of His doctrine, but rather, he found us because he spends all day, every day, working on conspiracies, and I could tell, not only because of the tone of his letter, but I could also tell after I looked him up online and found his email address connected to this website:
https://www.real-arctic-climate.com/
I'll let you all make of that what you will.

What was most fascinating to me, and I have seen this error coming from many of those who following the conspiracy so-called "ministries," is that he said:
"You forget a main tenet of Masons is to deceive: 'To deceive is glorious.' Thus the word of a Mason is worthless."
And yet, when it comes to the Masonic words about George Washington, and the paintings they made of him, he believes the Masonic words without question. Is that not contradictory, hypocritical, and fascinating all at the same time? What it proves is Eric's presuppositional bias, meaning that he wanted to believe what he wanted to believe and the truth does not matter to him, and therefore, his letter to me was nothing more than his attempt to justify what he already believed, and if what I wrote was not convincing, and if what I write is just the ramblings of a idiot, then why was he so offended?

In the end, what I wrote was convincing to him, and he was trying to deny it, but he had no way to back up his claims, which is why he did not include any references or quotes of his own. This is not the first letter like this I have received, and I am sure it will not be the last.

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General Discussion / Re: Church building music

« on: July 24, 2020, 09:19:47 AM »

I am in the process of re-writing my teaching on Christian rock into a full-length book on Christian music in general, which is going to expose the entire industry for the corrupt, ecumenical greed it really stands on.

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Wild Emails @ CLE / Re: New-Age Witch Claims She's a Christian

« on: July 24, 2020, 09:17:19 AM »

Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
-2Ti 2:11-14

With that verse in mind, where is the problem? I don't understand.

Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
-1Co 14:34

The context of 1Co 14 is teaching through the speaking of various languages in the church. The command for women is that they are not to have teaching authority over the church when we are assembled together for a solemn meeting (i.e. like the weekly study). It does not mean they cannot talk at all, or pray, or sing, but they do not have teaching authority, and therefore, they cannot be pastors because that is the primary job of a pastor.

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Wild Emails @ CLE / New-Age Witch Claims She's a Christian

« on: July 23, 2020, 12:56:06 PM »

You will notice that I am quite firm with this woman from the start of my letter. I suspected something was very wrong from her first sentence, and by the end of this, you will see that my suspicions were correct.
KAYA FROM CA:
Greetings Brother,

Wishing you and your loved ones safety, prosperity, longevity and happiness.

Please assist if you have the time. I thought I was being guided the correct way but it is becoming clear that I wasn't. I was dissolving my LLC to create a new a place for people to heal and grow in a religion. I am not interested in making any money for the corruption that this country spews into the world. Naturally I thought I could do this through religion or a charity and not be concerned about jail/prison time. The same headquarters that helped me with my LLC said they new the right way for me to help and they almost tricked me into signing my constitutional rights away. I haven't signed the papers though they are debating on wether I can get my $3,000 back even though they lied to me about not paying taxes. I can not in good conscience hire people to spread the word of Our Creator and then have their taxes go towards a government that kills people for greed in their insatiable hunger for colonization and manipulations. It is hell on earth and I can't give them any more than their structures have already taken from my family and I.  Their tyranny has lead to 3 of my brothers dying, my families health and Spirits declining, my being verbally, emotionally, physically and sexually abused as well as neglected as a child and more. All 3 of my brothers died when I was young, which was devastating, I am 34 now. My intention is to create kingdoms of heaven on earth while still having all of my constitutional rights as well as my present and future congregations constitutional rights completely safe. My wish is to create a place that my congregation and I will never have to not worrying about being thrown out or in prison while the state keeps what I worked 11 years of my life to heal and create. I would like to have a family at some point when everything is safe enough, though I can't do this if the government is able to just come in and take over when we speak about the truths that are happening in this country and the world. I have visited several countries and they are not as they are meant to be either. There are many moments of my life, practically daily, where I feel the pain of everyone I see, I have felt this for decades.. Over time I realized my compassion and my strength gets me through it though I know that I have cried trillions of tears not only for my own sphere of suffering but also for everyone that I can plainly see and feel has been hurt by the darkness on the earth.

Do you possibly have time to have a video call with me so I can learn what you may have to share about how to bring peace without compromising?  You have been in the spotlight much longer than I have. I have had people along my journey tell me I would be creating more peace on earth but I didn't know I was going to be brought back to America to share Yeshua's messages in the ways he is asking me to until this year.

Blessings from your Sister,
Kaya
Greetings Brother,  Wishing you and your loved ones safety, prosperity, longevity and happiness.
Please assist if you have the time. I thought I was being guided the correct way but it is becoming clear that I wasn't. I was dissolving my LLC to create a new a place for people to heal and grow in a religion.
That's really vague, and so I'm a little on guard right now. I don't know what it is you believe, nor do I know any Christian that claims they want to have people "grow in a religion." We Christians preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ to bring people repentance (i.e. godly sorrow of wrongdoing) and faith in Him, that they would be renewed by the Holy Spirit and born again in Christ. The vague phrase "healing and growing in a religion" is not the same thing, and can be openly interpreted to mean anything.
When someone writes to me wishing me "prosperity" and "happiness" instead of blessings and mercies of Christ, I am very cautious. I do not know what it is you believe, and I am keeping my distance for the time being; meaning that I am not accepting any claim of you being a "sister" in Christ until I see some evidence in your words to support it.

I am not interested in making any money for the corruption that this country spews into the world. Naturally I thought I could do this through religion or a charity and not be concerned about jail/prison time. The same headquarters that helped me with my LLC said they new the right way for me to help and they almost tricked me into signing my constitutional rights away. I haven't signed the papers though they are debating on wether I can get my $3,000 back even though they lied to me about not paying taxes. I can not in good conscience hire people to spread the word of Our Creator and then have their taxes go towards a government that kills people for greed in their insatiable hunger for colonization and manipulations. It is hell on earth and I can't give them any more than their structures have already taken from my family and I.
That's exactly what I meant by my initial response. You are not first concerned about leaven, you are not first concerned about false doctrines, you are not first concerned about yoking together with false teachers, you are not first concerned about teaching the truth--in the end, you are more concerned about who is getting what money. Please do not misunderstand; I do not want donations going towards wicked things either, but your priorities are backwards for someone who claims to be of Christ, and at this point, I am baffled as to why you are writing to me. (i.e. It seems you have little or no understanding of what it is I teach.)

Their tyranny has lead to 3 of my brothers dying, my families health and Spirits declining, my being verbally, emotionally, physically and sexually abused as well as neglected as a child and more. All 3 of my brothers died when I was young, which was devastating, I am 34 now. My intention is to create kingdoms of heaven on earth while still having all of my constitutional rights as well as my present and future congregations constitutional rights completely safe.
Then you should depart from our ministry in peace because you are not brethren with those of us who have been born again in Christ. There is no "kingdom of heaven on earth," and therefore, you teach a false gospel.
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
-John 18:36
You are attempting to build and promote heresy, and the only reason you have written to me is because you have no idea what I teach, and likely, you wrote me on a whim (i.e. you saw a fraction of one or two of my teachings and decided to write me), thinking you were going to use me as some sort of quick legal advice to help your leavened organization, and if you had read my teachings thoroughly, you would already know that I do not give out such legal advice in the first place.

My wish is to create a place that my congregation and I will never have to not worrying about being thrown out or in prison while  the state keeps what I worked 11 years of my life to heal and create.
That is another problem: "MY congregation?" What do you mean YOUR congregation? First of all, the church belongs to Christ, not to you.
For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
-Eph 5:32
Second, as a woman you have NO teaching authority over the church, and you are in rebellion against Christ if that is what you are doing.
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
-2Ti 2:11-14
Can Women Be Pastors?

I would like to have a family at some point when everything is safe enough, though I can't do this if the government is able to just come in and take over when we speak about the truths that are happening in this country and the world. I have visited several countries and they are not as they are meant to be either. There are many moments of my life, practically daily, where I feel the pain of everyone I see, I have felt this for decades.. Over time I realized my compassion and my strength gets me through it though I know that I have cried trillions of tears not only for my own sphere of suffering but also for everyone that I can plainly see and feel has been hurt by the darkness on the earth.
I'm sure you have cried for yourself many times. That is not godly sorrow; that is the sorrow of the world that works death.
Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing. For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
-2Co 7:9-10
That is because you are not suffering for Christ's sake, but for your own sake, which is evidenced by this ridiculous email you sent me, in which the name of Jesus, nor His Word, was mentioned one time. (i.e. Outside of your one mention of "Yeshua" at the end, which typically indicates that you might be part of the Hebrew-roots cult.)
For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.
-1 Peter 3:17
God forbid anyone join in with whatever new-age cult you are following, and I pray that anyone following you would find this ministry (or another that is sanctified and teaches true doctrine) that they might hear the Word of God, gain discernment, and depart from evil.
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
-Heb 5:12-14

Do you possibly have time to have a video call with me so I can learn what you may have to share about how to bring peace without compromising?
Are you sure you want to sit down with me and listen to me rebuke you with Scripture for an hour on a video call? After reading my response, assuming you read it at all, you likely will not want any video call with me. The reason you cannot figure out "how to bring peace without compromising" is because you have not sanctified yourself yet:
Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
-Luke 12:51
The Biblical Understanding of Sanctification
The reason you have not sanctified yourself yet is because it is likely that the Holy Spirit has not sanctified you in the first place. That's why you will not be able to understand the things I'm saying.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
-1Co 2:14

You have been in the spotlight much longer than I have.
I don't have very many listeners at all. Maybe 100-150 from around the world on a regular basis, and that's about it. That's no spotlight, and so whatever popularity tree you might think you're barking up, it's the wrong one.  What listeners I have been blessed with have come from Christ alone, not from any special ability I have, and if you had the mind of Christ, you would not need to be asking me questions about money and corporations in the first place.

I have had people along my journey tell me I would be creating more peace on earth but I didn't know I was going to be brought back to America to share Yeshua's messages in the ways he is asking me to until this year.  Blessings from your Sister, Kaya 
That's completely vague. God's Word is not vague, and I do not operate my ministry in such vague ways either. I cannot discern what you mean by half of what you are saying because it sounds much more like public relations than a good understanding of Scripture.

The help that you need is here:
Why Millions of Believers on Jesus Are Going to Hell
That is not the help you think you want, but it is the help you need. I have offered it to you, and it's free to read, but if you do not want it, then I hope you depart in peace, and have a great day. Our church is here for you if you ever want to learn the truth of the Gospel of Jesus.
Greetings,

I am glad that you are careful for many people prey on the lights of the world. It's good you are discerning and I hope to never offend you only to understand and learn more.

Kindly enlighten me please if I stray from Yeshua's messages or in connection with them. Constantine seems to have changed some of them when he provided the medium for recording Yeshua's messages, as have translated bibles. Please keep in mind I am curious and I see things others mostly don't, I have seen Angels since I was a child, after tragedy struck my family I saw more than just Angels. The deeper I love Our Heavenly parents the more I see the Angels and the unseen.

Question, did Our Creator not say that we are all children of earth? Time, intelligence and science shows us that no two eyes are able to see life exactly the same way. Inversely every time  force has attempted to make others see life exactly like another pain has left an imprint of darkness. Then We must ask if Our Creator made us this way does this take away the possibility that we are brother and sister. Even those who trespass are meant to be forgiven and shown love for they know not what they do. Not to give them a chance to take advantage again but to give us the gift of learning and forgiveness for both of us to practice learning how to be better humans. To cast stones upon a fallen sister or brother would be a sin would it not? But even those who make mistakes are they still not also children of our creator? I would hope that only people in your life wish you success in a time of pandemic so that you are able to feed your family. This is what I was referring to, I did not mean to offend you. Often other people may try to wish for you to fail or suffer out of jealousy or insecurity which I've witnessed casts darkness upon each other turning kin against on another.

I understand we have differences of perception and understanding this is what makes us all unique as Our Creator intended. It is not uncommon for the positive aspects of a woman to be misunderstood and overlooked by many. Though may I ask, is it not true that God is both masculine and feminine? Did God not say that we are made in his/his image? If women were not considered or respected by God then why would our Heavenly Father/Mother give women the gift of carrying life? The overlooked understanding of the man being the head of the house can additionally be interpreted as our clarity center, our intellect. This can also be seen as the frontal cortex of the brain which is able to make clear, concise, and logical direction to remain a part of life. This brain is required to send signals to the left and the right hemispheres of the brain to communicate to the rest of our temples which allows us to move each halves of our bodies. One side fire logic the other for creativity, man and woman. The logical center when blessed by Our Creator is able to govern emotion stored in the heart, sometimes seen also the woman which is both a symbol of intelligence and love. Without us accepting Yeshua into our hearts we are not able to access the kingdom of heaven. I have been there and I did not have to die to go, it is the most magnificent thing I have yet to witness in my life. Marvelous beyond measure, purity in its exalted forms and beauty above all else. The sounds filled every molecule of my soul and enveloped me with the love above any love on earth. Our entire family was there singing and rejoicing there together in the perfection of eternity. I pray for everyone on earth see this proof of Our Creators Splendor, for then all doubts will vanish and all evils dissolve. All children of Our Creator deserve to experience our home again, in the love of Yeshua's eternal grace the doors will open again. This is my testimony and my truth.

Another question I have please? After baptism Yeshua was accepted into our hearts, was he not? Without him both men and women would be lost. With him we are able to create a life that he would respect and be in joy to see when he returns for his bride and creates kingdoms of light on earth. Further scientific connections of the presence of man and woman in the house/temple is possibly witnessed as unstable tendencies and has emotional outbursts or uncontrolled behaviors. This is an imbalance of man and woman in a man that scientifically will show that his estrogen levels are too high which has caused overwhelming destruction in the world. Also, if a man is unresponsive to estrogen then he will become unable to reproduce. On the other side, if a woman has too much testosterone then she can become infertile which ends the production of messengers for Yeshua. The energy of the feminine can also considered as power and love which is part of the hearts brain. This energy is necessary to circulate all cells and molecules to their rightful place in the body. In balance, Our heavenly parents are able to give us the strength and intelligence to face all dangers in life so that We are able to continue to exist. So could it not be seen us such? Together the intelligence energy allows the woman and the man govern the body also known as the Temple which is the container of the Soul. Without these brains both the mind and heart working together and without the guidance of Our Heavenly parents as well as Yeshua our Temples would not be able to live a life on the path of light created by Yeshua. Is it not true that without a woman all children with not continue to exist? Would they then not be be able to become messengers of Yeshua's deep, profound, unshakably compassionate and forgiving love for all the ignorance expressed by both men and women on earth.? The Holy Trinity can seen as allowing for us to exist and procreate to continue as a species reflecting it's glory into us so we can be in communion with Our Creator as he/she directs the Soul on a path of light while being held and guided by Yeshua. So could the Holy Spirit not be seen as (woman/energy) and the Father as (man/intelligence) to be the tools necessary for nothing (life/son) together with God's Majesty are we then not able to become potential for goodness? Without both and without God are temples break down and instead of us being unwavering and clearly blessed with Yeshua's light the feminine would not able to be birth men or women onto earth. Both are necessary.

The Scriptures always say we are the children of Our Creator regardless of how our human perceptions and and possible misjudgments may mislead us into judging our brethren. The only person with the right to judge us is Our Creator, all of us are just doing our best to translate his messages which have been passed down and translated by people who wish to take us further from Our Creator though Ultimate Love/Yeshua will always guide us back home. Though if you are able to show me the original translations then I am always open to learn which I call growth.

Sincerely,
Kaya
END OF DISCUSSION
As soon as I read the first two sentences of her second letter, I put this into my archives and did not bother to read any further. I knew it was a waste of my time because she would not listen, and I was fairly certain she was not a Christian in any sense.

When someone receives a rebuke like what I sent her, there are two responses I would expect: 1) anger and offense, or 2) humility and repentance. Kaya's response was lukewarm, and that showed me not only that she would not listen, but it confirmed for me that she was not of Christ because she did not care at all about His Word.

Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
-John 8:31-32

And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
-Luke 6:46

Tim and I were talking on Skype, and when I mentioned it to him, he said he wanted to see the letter, and he wanted to read through a little of the second letter together. It was incoherent, contradictory new-age garbage, and we only made it through a couple of paragraphs. You could even see where she began to try and talk about all her accomplishments so I would respect her person (i.e. she was trying to get me to back down and accept her), and I was not having anything to do with it.

So this morning, I was preparing to post this onto the forum, and I decided to do a bit of research to see if I could find any information on the internet about this woman. It turns out, her email address was attached to a Facebook profile, and I'm going to share the link with you all:
https://www.facebook.com/kayanayo/

And that will sum up the title to this post. This is a new-age woman who practices divination in her witchcraft, and tries to claim she is a "Christian," which is sickening to say the least. I had mind to respond to her, but I decided against it because I already gave her what she needed in my response to her email. I knew she would ignore the information (i.e. Scripture and links) in my letter, but I gave it to her anyway because whether or not she reads it is not up to me.

Because she is not clear about anything she is saying (i.e. she speaks in public relations terms nonstop), I cannot tell what it is she has seen on the website, but I think she was just looking up information on 501c3, saw my book, thought it looked fancy, and then decided to write me to get some free legal advice. She did not read that book; that's obvious. If she had read it, she never would have written me in the first place, and thus, she was just wasting my time.

Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
-Pro 26:5

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General Discussion / Re: Should I stop talking to certain people?

« on: July 22, 2020, 10:08:33 AM »

In this instance, your lack of faith is what is blocking you.

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
-Rev 3:20

If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
-James 1:5-8

How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
-Romans 10:14-17

There is nothing more any of us can do, and the reason I say that is because, if you have already heard my teachings, then you have already heard the word preached unto you, and yet, you have not believed. That is a decision you have made, by your own will, and you have not explained to anyone here why you have made that decision.

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General Discussion / Re: Should I stop talking to certain people?

« on: July 21, 2020, 08:40:33 PM »

Why are you trying to play church? That's my initial question because I was wondering why you joined us. Please do not misunderstand, it was not wrong to join, nor am I saying that we would not converse with you, but I could not figure out anything to say from your initial introduction post, so I was waiting for something like this to give me enough material to help you understand the contradictions you have already proposed in your writing.

I want you to understand that what religion you are a part of, and what church building you attend, and what bible version you use, and whether or not you read lexicons and concordances, and any other aspect of doctrine DOES NOT MATTER if you are not born again in Christ. Your statement in your introduction said:
"I am a false convert, I kept telling myself deep inside that I was not but I can't lie to myself according to the Bible I am one."
and also...
"I also have been having doubts if Jesus is the Christ and been thinking if Judaism may be true."
http://www.creationliberty.com/forum/index.php?topic=1092.msg8860#msg8860

None of those things you are asking about in this thread are going to help you. Until you have been born again in Christ, whether or not you talk with people on a Discord server is not going to matter in the slightest.

This is what matters: Grief and godly sorrow of one's own wrongdoing, which is to understand the depravity and corrupt of oneself through sin, and then in humility, you believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for the remission (i.e. forgiveness) of sin, that He died on the cross and shed His blood for our souls, and was resurrected from the dead to sit on the right hand of God the Father to make intercession for us. That is how a man is born again.

That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
-John 3:6-7

Your statements demonstrate that you do not have faith in Christ. You do not believe in his divine nature as God, and because you do not believe that, it makes it impossible for you to believe that Christ did any of the things He said He did. (And it would make Him a liar because He spoke of His divine nature as God.) Because of that, you are not a Christian, which is why I think you left your belief listed as "Other" on your account.

Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
-John 8:43-47

I could understand an atheist joining our forum to have discussions with us, but what I cannot understand is why a churchgoer who is lukewarm, trying to appear to be a Christian on the outside, while inwardly in unbelief, would come here to try and get help to improve his outward appearance. That is nonsensical, and everyone here, I guarantee, cares enough about you to not let you get away with that, and to call you out on the contradictions.

I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
-Rev 3:15-16

It will not help you to hang around Christians to give yourself an outward "Christian" appearance. It does no good at all to speak well of Jesus with the mouth, but have the heart far from Him.

This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
-Mat 15:8

Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one.
-John 10:25-30

If you do not want to believe Jesus Christ, that is your decision, and there is nothing any of us can do to change that. However, we are not going to treat you as brethren because, without Christ, you are counted among the pagans and other unbelievers, and therefore, we will preach to you the proper message of Christ that you might be saved, not answer specific questions about what types of people you should or should not be hanging out with because, if you believe those people are corrupt, then you are counted among them, which means separating yourself from them would be pointless.

God has already declared who He saves and draws close to:

The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.
-Psa 34:18

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
-Ephesians 2:8-9

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Bible Discussion / Re: Does Forgiveness Require Repentance?

« on: July 20, 2020, 11:39:28 PM »

I'm glad it helped then. I'm not used to that kind of response. 

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Bible Discussion / Re: Does Forgiveness Require Repentance?

« on: July 20, 2020, 04:25:38 PM »

*She meant to say "without being repentant."

Laura is correct. Even Steve, a member and elder of our church, who evangelizes to prisoners, sees this all the time. He sees those who wish for forgiveness, but have no godly sorrow in their hearts, or they wish for forgiveness, but only have worldly sorrow. Other prisoners know they did wrong, and confess they did wrong, but they will not repent towards God, and believe it is impossible for them to get to heaven.

After Laura, I then followed suit and looked at the blog post as well. She is correct again: McKinley never defined the word 'repent'. You have to try to infer what he means, and based on his article, I cannot figure it out.

"If we are realistic, then the wisdom of repentance as a pre-condition to forgiveness shows when we consider trusting someone who has wronged us. Unless the person who sinned against me acknowledges what he did, how am I to know he will not do so again? I would be foolish to continue subjecting myself to abuse, and I would have difficulty 'living in harmony' of a reconciled relationship of trusting someone who had wronged me in the past. With repentance, I have some assurance that he is on notice not to repeat the offense, or at least that he knows I am not willing to simply be his doormat with respect to that mistreatment. To move forward in close relationship of trust, repentance with forgiveness is the shared work for moving beyond the damage with full willingness to live in a clear relationship of harmony."

Based on this, it seems like he believes repentance is just confessing one's wrong. Confession is part of repentance, but it result, or function of, repentance, not repentance itself. His article left me more confused than anything.

So I would agree with Laura, and I am confused as to why you wanted to share this article in the first place. After Laura's assessment, I decided to check out who this "John McKinley" is, and the first red flag is that he is a professor at a seminary college. In my experience, that usually indicates he is not of Christ (not in all cases, but in many), simply because (in most cases) you have to compromise a lot of Scripture just to graduate from a theological seminary, let alone be hired on as a professor in modern day so-called "Christian" college.

Even in his short bio on the website, he never speaks of his conversion unto Christ, but rather, just talks about his passion for studying "Christology." The more I read of his writing, the more I see him (if I may use the term) "brown-nosing" other theological professors within his "professional" circles, and this was sickening for me to read because, not only does McKinley thank them instead of the Lord Jesus Christ, he will thank them for information that is deceptive, like how he thanks one of his professors for showing him false information coming from the "LXX" which has no evidence for its existence.
(See Does The Greek Septuagint Exist?)

And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power [authority] of God.
-1Co 2:4-5

McKinley relies on corrupt lexicons and concordances, and quotes from various new-age bible versions in order to distort the Word of God to get it to say what he wants it to say.
(See Why I Use The King James Bible)

John McKinley is leavened (i.e. corrupt with false doctrines), and his profile is just him glorying in himself for all his accomplishments. Read it for yourself:
https://www.biola.edu/directory/people/john-mckinley
His teachings are mostly made up of the same vague nonsense that I see in the average church building pastor, and it is reflective of one who believes himself to be wise, instead of relying on the mercy of God.

John (i.e. bluebird724), if you are new Christian, I do not want to be really harsh on you in any sense, but as it stands, I do not believe you have much discernment yet. I looked over this guy's work for 10 minutes and I was disgusted with him, and so that confused me as to why you were so eager to post this man's materials, and then furthermore say, "I hope you all like it!" Again, I was disgusted by McKinley's writings; I have not liked any of his posts. Thus, I have to conclude that you're new to all this, and so I hope this might help give you a heads up warning about the dangers of such men (as I'm sure there are many more corruptions surrounding that man than was I was able to find in a short time), because they will lead you astray into a false gospel.

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What's New @ CLE / (WEEKLY TEACHING) The Biblical Understanding of Weddings & Marriage p16

« on: July 20, 2020, 01:59:19 PM »

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Bible Discussion / Re: Does Forgiveness Require Repentance?

« on: July 18, 2020, 09:00:29 PM »

You can share most anything you like, but people here might critique it, just so you are aware. I do not know who that man is.

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Bible Discussion / Re: Does Forgiveness Require Repentance?

« on: July 18, 2020, 06:33:30 PM »

Is this "pastor" the same priest you mentioned in your introduction? That might cause a few problems in itself.

Whatever "pastor" you are talking about seems to have little understanding of this matter because the problem is that he has ignored the fact that a "brother" is the highest standard. Those who you are closest to (i.e. family) are generally treated with the most mercy and forgiveness, often being forgiven automatically.

In this passage, Jesus is explaining that, even among those who we should be closest to, if there is wrong done to us, we need not wait for them to come to us, but we should go to them to rebuke and correct them. If they have a contrite heart on the matter, then we should forgive them immediately, as Christ has forgiven us. This is to demonstrate that we should not give Christian brethren a free pass.

Thus, the standard operating procedure is to do the same with our neighbors, and the lesson in that passage is for us to be reconciled to our brethren, but not forgetting that we must rebuke them, as we rebuke our neighbors and those we preach the gospel to. When a neighbor has done a wrong, of course we address them on that wrong, and of course, we sometimes have to go to the law to address them, which is part of normal, everyday life, but when it comes to brethren, we are to be reconciled to them, not going to the law for restitution (1Co 6:1-6), but rather, addressing them as brethren, that they come to repentance and correction of their wrongdoing.

Therefore, if this "pastor" believes what he is saying, then God forbid a man assault and rape his wife or daughter, but if such a horrible thing were ever to happen, make sure you hold his feet to the fire of his words, holding him accountable to forgive that man of all his crimes when the rapist does not repent, and invite the man into his home willingly in front of his abused girls. God forbid he would be a hypocrite in any manner.

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Evangelism / Re: Farmers Market Preaching on the 4th of July

« on: July 16, 2020, 04:35:37 PM »

The restriction is on the user side, not the uploader.

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Evangelism / Re: Farmers Market Preaching on the 4th of July

« on: July 16, 2020, 11:00:39 AM »

My videos are also marked as "not made for kids," so if she can view mine, she should be able to view yours. However, YouTube has some algorithms that do it for you automatically, like if there is anything using the Bible to preach against certain sins (like sodomy for example). There should be a "Restricted" option to toggle on/off in your settings, and you just have to turn it off.

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What's New @ CLE / Re: (CORRECTION) A "Seven-Year Tribulation" Period Does Not Exist

« on: July 15, 2020, 07:34:36 PM »

I've stopped mentioning them in my teachings because the paragraph markers are often subjective. Paragraph markers are not Spirit-inspired. We just have to judge the matter for ourselves as we read.

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Evangelism / Re: YouTube Channel 'Preach the Word' - Good Evangelism?

« on: July 15, 2020, 07:33:06 PM »

It's possible. However, if they are affiliated with them, that is a fancy way of saying they are yoked with them. If they are yoked together with an organization that teaches works doctrine, then I won't be yoked with them. Thanks for your help. If you find out anything else, let me know.