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What's New @ CLE / Re: (CORRECTION) There Is No Problem Being Sworn Into Certain Things

« on: August 06, 2020, 10:41:13 AM »

I am not seeing the connection between what you said and the Scripture you quoted.

I would not call an oath an "incentive," although some might think in that manner, because incentives generally imply a positive motivation to do something, like a reward for good deeds for example. Rather, the oath is solemn declaration of duty under penalty, so I would use the word 'penalty' instead of 'incentive.'

Knowing that we are held accountable for every word we speak, including words spoken in idle times of rest and relaxation, we should take what we say with seriousness at all times, and therefore, no incentive or penalty should be specially applied from one word apart from another, and thus, a man who does so is doing it out of the evil in his heart because, as soon as he swears that oath, he is essentially confessing his own deception.

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What's New @ CLE / (CORRECTION) There Is No Problem Being Sworn Into Certain Things

« on: August 04, 2020, 05:24:36 PM »

This is something that has been bothering me for a couple years now because I know that, early on in my ministry, I had taught that we are not to swear oaths, which is what Jesus taught us:

Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
-Mat 5:33-37

In that day, there were Jews that swore both serious and casual oaths of things they would do, and they would swear unto God or other such holy things of God to mark those things as important. However, what Jesus is saying is that, for a righteous man, his 'yes' or 'no' to a matter is all that is required for him to keep his word, and therefore, any more words added to such a matter would come of evil, to try and paint a false appearance.

So what many Jews would do was take seriously those matters sworn unto God, but in other matters in which they did not swear unto God, they would not care to keep their word, which made them hypocrites and deceivers. It's very similar to when someone says, "Oh yeah, I PROMISE I'll get it done," instead of just saying "I'll get it done." They think the "promise" (i.e. an oath) means that they have to keep it, while if they do not have an oath, then they do not have to take their word seriously.

Thus, there is a difference between the words of those who fear God and those who do not, and therefore, I may have made an error in my understanding of these verses, teaching that it was against God's Word that, for example, a police officer would be sworn into his office of duty, or a military man may be sworn in as a soldier. As I see it now more clearly, there is no sin committed in such things where they take an oath to fulfill their duties in a solemn manner, and I am sorry if I have caused anyone undue grief or stress because I taught otherwise.

There is also no sin involved in being sworn into a courtroom. When they bring you up and say, "Do you swear to tell the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?" The word 'swear' generally means "to affirm," and therefore, what you are doing is affirming to tell the truth in a very serious circumstance. Now, of course, a righteous man would tell the truth under every circumstance, but again, the government is established by the Lord God for the punishment of evildoers, and evildoers lie, so an oath is required of them.

Nonetheless, it is simply a statement to affirm that you will tell the truth in the courtroom. And affirming with 'yes' or 'I will' is no offense against the Lord Jesus Christ. I am sorry if I led to anyone being misinformed on that matter.

The exception I still maintain is that the wedding vows are not good. The reason for this is because, first of all, most people do not take them seriously (i.e. they are hypocrites), and second of all, they are sworn in the name of God's law and the name of God Himself, while also being officiated in the power of the State, not God. Therefore, I am still against have wedding oaths of any kind for born again Christians who are dedicated to the Lord Jesus Christ, but for the world, they have to rely on them because they cannot be trusted.

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General Discussion / Re: My Pastor Has Admitted That Our Church is a 501c3 Organization

« on: August 03, 2020, 11:38:59 PM »

It's not a question of IF they would be: They ARE leavened. This man is financially benefiting from something he knows is wrong. What more do you need to know that this man is greedy of filthy lucre and extorting others to get it? If any of us Christians found out that we were doing something wrong, and financially benefiting from it, we would get out of that immediately, but this guy just sits around in it because HE DOES NOT CARE. He doesn't care because he's leavened, meaning that there is false doctrine and sin in his heart, and he has not repented of it, and therefore, since he leavened, that means the entire church building is leavened, and therefore, you will also be leavened.

A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
-Gal 5:9

This is not a game. This is the Word of God delivered to us by the Holy Ghost.

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General Discussion / Re: My Pastor Has Admitted That Our Church is a 501c3 Organization

« on: August 03, 2020, 09:49:56 PM »

I want to also see if other people have successfully convinced their pastor or church of removing their 501c3 contract.

I have to say confidently that you did not understand my teaching on the subject. I gave an analogy to help understand the matter because you are looking at the surface symptom as the problem, instead of looking at the source of the problem. By trying to get someone to remove a 501c3 status, it ignores the problem of leaven which led to the 501c3 status in the first place, which is like trying to convince someone to wipe the mold off of their bathroom wall, when you refuse to consider that the moisture behind the wall is the source of the problem.

Wiping off the black spots on the wall will only allow the mold grow back, and wiping away 501c3 will only allow the greed and lust that man's heart to continue to permeate the church building. I would suggest you go back to the book and read the entire thing, or if you claim to have already done that, then I suggest to listen to the entire audio teaching again to try and understand the fullness of the matter so you can understand how you are addressing the wrong problem, and not only wasting your time, but endangering yourself to the same leaven of that pastor.

http://www.creationliberty.com/articles/501c3.php

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What's New @ CLE / (WEEKLY TEACHING) Why Millions of Believers on Jesus Are Going to Hell p2

« on: August 03, 2020, 02:57:31 PM »

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General Discussion / Re: Repetition and Hypocrisy

« on: August 01, 2020, 11:00:08 AM »

UPDATE: This morning [Aug 1], Tim asked me some questions about this man's location, and the IP Address on the account is coming from the Missouri/Kansas area, confirming that this guy is lying, and therefore, nothing he says can be believed at this point unless we had evidence to the contrary. We suspect this could possibly be someone who was removed from our church some time ago for his lack of repentance for his drug and alcohol abuse, which comes at a very convenient time, right after I release part 1 of my audio teaching "Why Millions of Believers on Jesus Are Going to Hell."

For now, I will call this man "S." I checked the IP of the emails I received from S, and they are from the same area, not from Idaho. Furthermore, I looked over old emails I had from this man at the same time (i.e. July) last year, and the writing style is identical. Here is one of the emails I received from S last year:
"I'll refrain from sarcasm and say that you have given a poor response. I ask you to forgive me for my harshness. Are you willing to trust even more in the LORD God and go out into the world to reach the poor for Christ? I'm not talking about myself, because I'm a filthy hypocrite. Why don't you do the work with all your might? I'm not talking about impressing any man. You sure speak about work ethic, but why don't you bear a bit for a wage that will surely benefit your wife and family? You are making it harder on yourself and you have become an indirect complainer. Get a simple job for a bit and make some money so that you can pay for any expenses that trouble your life."

The writing style and the subject matter are identical. I checked the IP of S's old email from last year, and where is it from? You guessed it, the Kansas/Missouri area. I think we found our culprit, so I want to thank Tim for his quick discernment on this matter, and now I hope that many of you can see why we removed him from our church.

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General Discussion / Re: Repetition and Hypocrisy

« on: July 31, 2020, 11:34:59 PM »

I did not read his emails, but I suspect they were just more of the same. I could look at them for a moment, let me pull them up...

Well, now that I've briefly looked at them, I'll just post them here and let you guys judge the matter. The first email he sent me is titled "Muted?" and it reads:
Have you ever called somebody lazy for "doing what's convenient rather than what's right"? Have you ever called somebody a busybody, Christopher? Are you so thin-skinned as to not be able to handle a bit of criticism? I never used filthy language at any point but now I am even more convinced that you value censorship against those that disagree with you so that others cannot be alerted of your hypocrisy. Do you think of your congregation as so weak in faith that you must mute me so that you can get the upper-hand in whatsoever narrative and break-down that you will tell them? I'm begging you to put me on your "wild emails" section because I see that you only pick on the obviously weak who do not know anything true about the Bible. You must be intimidated because of how I spoke in my posts, realizing that I'm not some ignorant false christian who eats up the words of the false prophets and pastors of the world. I don't justify myself but neither should you, and you definitely do. Have you ever called yourself a prophet? I know you have because you say that a prophet teaches the doctrine of the LORD God and not necessarily predicts the future, which is true. But you cannot deny that you have, at the very least indirectly, referred to yourself as a prophet of God. In the same way that you believe you are a pastor and yet will never say that you are. You're not blameless, Christopher. I'm ashamed of you and expected you to be a bit more tough. It's embarrassing for your testimony, Christopher. Get out of your internet bubble and stop making excuses. I've donated to CLE a few times and never made it known, but now I've made it known as a testimony against you.

The second letter is titled, "How can I defend myself if I am muted?" It reads:
Do you always hide behind your congregation like Steven Anderson and Kent Hovind? I despise people like them and yet you think you offended me for speaking about Kent Hovind? I hope Kent Hovind gets thrown in jail for the rest of his life, along with everyone who is a partake of his wicked sins. I also hope that Steven Anderson gets publicly shamed for his pedophile sons that he raised and that he is also condemned for the rest of his worthless life. I donated a couple times to you more than a year ago so don't falsely accuse me of not having donated because you can't find proof. I used an anonymous email and PayPal at the time so that I wouldn't sound a trumpet before me, but I guess you'll judge anyone for anything if it makes you look good to your loyal members. And no, my last name doesn't start with a 'T'. As I said, I donated as anonymously as I could and never once brought it up before. I agreed with you in almost everything, but you throw everyone the cold shoulder that takes time out of their day to email you and I have never once seen you respond with humility and meekness. All you do is shove the Bible in people's faces while being guilty of hypocrisy and laziness yourself, Christopher Johnson. I am not surprised by your reaction to my posts on your forum, because you are using the same arguments as those who argue against you. If someone tells you to be more 'calm' you rebuke them, but I see that it is just fine for you to ask that someone be more 'calm'. You justify yourself in everything and just because you barely get by from donations doesn't make it right to put your wife in such an uncomfortable position. She's afraid to say anything because you have put fear into her just like Kent Hovind did with Jo.

So you guys are aware, I checked this past year on all our donations, and there is no one on an anonymous account. All of the donors have first and last name. So, that means, if he donated, he operating under a fake name, which actually means he is a liar and deceiver, and giving under false pretenses since he is now using that, as he stated, "a testimony against" me. (Whatever that's supposed to mean.) That is, of course, assuming what he is saying is true, because we cannot verify that he is even telling us the truth, and since he has already demonstrated false accusation, railing, and murmuring, I am not inclined to believe him without evidence.

I'm not sure I'm going to respond to much of this because it sounds incomprehensible for the most part. However, the viciousness of his heart is sad because I do not wish for Kent Hovind to go to jail for the rest of his life, but rather, I think what a wonderful praise unto God it would be that he would come to godly sorrow of his wrongdoing and be saved. I do not wish for Steven Anderson to be publicly shamed, but rather, I would wish that he would come to godly sorrow of his wrongdoing and be born again. Nothing about Chris from Idaho's post is edifying to the church, building up discernment and glorifying the Lord Jesus Christ, it's just about him and his feelings.

I know I have been a hypocrite many times, which is why I can spot them so easily today. I know I have been guilty of laziness, and I have worked to combat that for the sake of Christ, and at the very least, I hope this entire ministry is some evidence that God restored me, had mercy on me, and has changed me for the better. Apart from that, I'll leave it to you guys to respond because these types of letters are dime a dozen in my experience, and Lorraine may be responding as well to his accusations, so I'll leave it up to her conviction if she wants to say anything.

(NOTE: His email address for this account is the same he wrote me with, and he put his name as "Christopher Johnson" on it. I highly doubt that is his real name, and I suspect he is lying in that regard as well, so you were right to ban him.)

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General Discussion / Re: Repetition and Hypocrisy

« on: July 31, 2020, 08:33:07 PM »

Just so everyone is clear, Tim muted this guy's account based on his other post, which was not at all appropriate to the rules of the forum, so I am waiting for him to decide what to do from here. This guy has started to spam me in email, but I am ignoring them for the time being since he obviously wanted all this to be public, or he would have emailed me first instead of coming to the forum. I'll leave it in Tim's hands on what he chooses to do.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Hello I am Melissa

« on: July 31, 2020, 05:21:15 PM »

I can't understand why anyone who is truly born again in Christ is so easily offended when asked to share more details about what they believe and their testimony of conversion. If you have an understanding that many will claim to know God but their hearts are far from Him, then you should understand why it's important for us to know more details of what you believe rather than automatically believing your claim to be a Christian without any evidence.

One thing I dislike about posts,& texts as I feel much gets lost in the delivery of things as opposed to in person speech or phone conversations.

Shouldn't that mean you take even more care to expound upon your beliefs and testimony so that we can try to know you better?

That was well-said Laura. Just wanted to pass along that compliment. Thanks for taking the time to read Melissa's posts, despite the fact that she believes we won't read them.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Hello I am Melissa

« on: July 31, 2020, 05:16:26 PM »

No need to wait, my friend, let me say this to you, I do not know you, I have no bias..understand me when I say, I have no BIAS, no reason to say what I am saying to you, other than how you seem to want to pick apart, argue, and micro-dissect everything a person says. Christians are coming to your site, not to argue with you. Not to have to prove they are Christians. I have no reason to say this, to many Christians out there with sites to join. I will just find one that is not like this. It seems you attack what people say, micro-dissect it, and then accuse them of some wrong against you. I will keep you in my prayers. Tell me how to unsubscribe. We are to avoid contention and doing this to each other. While your teachings on the 501c3 issues (and leaven) are good. I feel it is your attitude that will make you unusable and maybe even harm those who come looking to you (unbelievers & Christians).

Okay, so that is telling pretty much what I needed to know. You're part of the "conspiracy ministry" crowd. You think talking about conspiracies is the equivalent of Bible teachings. That is not what our church and ministry is all about. That's why you went to all the stuff on 501c3, and things on witchcraft and Freemasons, but you don't care very much about the doctrines, and that is what I was seeing in everything you were saying, and why, STILL, to this very post, you will not tell us about your conversion to Christ (which we are left to think does not exist at this point), and you will not define the word "backslid" for us. It's not spinal surgery, we are just asking very simple questions that you can't seem to answer, and that is indicative of someone who hiding something.

I had a bit of extra time today..but usually not so, as every post seems to be turned into a novel sized interrogative kind of thing. Let me put it to you as gently as "I" can. You have a pride problem my friend. That is all. God Bless & Good luck..

You can keep your luck because that is not of God. That's of the devil. I never accused you of not being a Christian, I simply said I was looking for the evidence, and then when asking you for your testimony, you hid, ran away (since you are leaving), and told me I was prideful. What am I left to believe? I bid you a great day, and I pray that the Lord Jesus Christ show you as much mercy and longsuffering as He has shown me.
Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing.
-1Pe 3:9

Also, in the quickness in which you replied to what took me a long time to write, I wonder, do you have access to seeing these posts as they are actually being written?

Really? That's what you're complaining about? I was already on this forum dealing with someone else giving us trouble, and I saw your post as soon as you made it, which is listed on my end at 4:02 PM. I responded at 4:29 PM. So it took me almost a half hour to respond to your comments. How long do you believe they should take in order that your feelings are appeased? All I was asking for was a definition to a term you used, and asking for when you were converted, and this is what you have degraded into; how can you expect me to believe that you are born again in Christ when you act like this?

Please, address (for others if nothing else) are you aware there is some sort of security issue coming up on Google Chrome when one makes a post? (or what my browser is telling me anyway), it is blocking video, attempts, motion sensor and location, are you aware of this? 
God Bless,
Melissa

Melissa, you know what it probably is? It's the Bilderbergs operating out of the Bohemian Grove. (After all, Google Incorporated has been a part of their meetings.) It must be, right? They have to be infiltrating your computer and browser right now. You should get rid of your computer and move out of your house because, if it's them, they know where you live now. You will need to change your name and get rid of your social security number, and be quick about it. I would recommend going to the Info Wars forum and asking Alex Jones what products he can sell you to prepare to block out the waves of their brain scanners.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Hello I am Melissa-REPLY PAGE 2

« on: July 31, 2020, 04:58:38 PM »

My reply was partially cut off just now and I spent a good deal of time answering your questions, and am now short on time, and have to run. I said all I did to say this....new people here who are real Christians..maybe led to feel they are being interrogated, or being accused of not being a real Christians.

Well, that might be because you're not used to being around real Christians. Real Christians that come here are more than willing to share their testimony and talk about the Lord Jesus Christ because they understand what it means to have been forgiven and regenerated. In most cases, those who are false converts are the ones we have the most problem with, having to repeatedly ask them for very basic information.

Perhaps it is misunderstanding..that is why it is hard to always determine what one is saying in a written response. I am only telling you that is how it made me feel and I have no proverbial "dog in the race", bias or other reason to say that.

Well, the truth is not about how you feel, the truth is about the facts. The fact is that I, for one, would like to know more about your conversion unto Christ, which you STILL have not shared, and Tim and I would like you to define what you mean by "backslid."

So perhaps just cut some new people some slack as they are trying to find where to post stuff, how much to say initially (no one wants to write & read novels on a site they came to talk to other in).

Do you not realize what you're saying? You are saying that no one wants to have lengthy discussions here. What exactly do you think we do here?

I just want to say, I love God, I AM a Christian, I have to prove that to no one other than God (as my life will prove it to others in person I meet & know).

That's fine. Your relationship with God is between you and Him. Right now, I see someone who believes that Christians are "backslidders," she will not explain what she means by that, will not tell us about her conversion to Christ, and seems contentious during discussion about the foundations of the Gospel, which leads me to believe there is a serious problem. That is suspicious to me, and if you don't like that it is suspicious to me, then we can either have a friendly conversation about it, or these problems will appear time and time again on this forum, until you get angry and end up leaving in offense, because if you have a false belief in the Gospel of Jesus, that is going to come through in your speech whether you know it or not. We correct those things here so we can all be of like mind.
Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.
-Phil 2:2

Upon looking around on the site and checking out posts, I can see this is not the first time it was mentioned, I say this not to hurt or offend but to offer valuable feed back.

I guess we can all simply conclude that Jesus never offended one person with what he taught, and he always listened to their "valuable" feedback. Just because you might feel a certain way, does not automatically make your feelings part of the truth.

I came here only to tell you I liked your video series and found the forum, upon which time I wanted to chat with other believers to be able to pray with and converse with.

Did I miss that somewhere in your first post? I thought I had read it, and perhaps I missed it, but that is not what I remember you saying. Let me read it again to make sure... just a moment...

Okay, I just re-read your original post. That was nowhere to be found, so when you tell me "I came here only to tell you" everything you just said, that is not true. I know I am not the only person to be cautious, which is why you have no seen hardly anyone respond to your posts so far.

If you want to see what things are normally like with Christians who join us, check this out:
http://www.creationliberty.com/forum/index.php?topic=1051.0

I will let you know that you may want to check into the site certificate or other problems as I get a red flag saying the site is unsafe & my Google chrome says it blocked camera, location & motion sensors. and says to avoid sending sensitive info & payments. I am not a computer tech but will give you info it gave me if interested. Further questions, just ask.
God Bless
Melissa

We don't need it. I don't care about site certification because we are not looking for your personal details, nor are we doing any money transactions. All that is required here is a first name, a general location, and an email address. That is not invasive information of any kind. Therefore, if you feel unsafe with us for any reason, you are welcome to not make an account here because the forum is open for public viewing to all who want to read.

Which leads me to another point: If you have an aversion to conversations such as this, then this probably is not the right place for you, and as I said earlier, I think you may have misunderstood what this forum is about, and what we do here.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Hello I am Melissa

« on: July 31, 2020, 04:29:45 PM »

I am a talker, but try to not be so much on a site such as this as people often see lengthy posts and dont read them all, or dont even attempt to read them.

My question is: Why are we being lumped together with other sites where people do not read lengthy posts? Or rather, what evidence led you to the conclusion that we do not read lengthy posts here?

My summary (as we both agree it is a summary), and on reading it again I can see that it is hurried, and skips over a lot of information. Perhaps I need to sit down and repost it. I am so use to working with those in other areas of life who know me, and we are on the same page, and they know what I mean when I say things, you, do not know me. I am usually pressed for time as I have a good deal of homework, and try to work other things around that. One thing I dislike about posts,& texts as I feel much gets lost in the delivery of things as opposed to in person speech or phone conversations.

Take your time, we're not in any hurry.

Repentance means more than just saying I am "sorry" to God. Real repentance is being truly sorry for sin, and change is required. By a person's fruit you will know them, (Matt. 7:15-20). God will forgive one who is truly sorry, and help him to change and avoid sin. Not to say we will never sin, as we are all sinners, but those truly committed to God hate sin and try to avoid it at all costs as this hurts God (and us) when we sin. Are we in agreement so far?
My next comment:One would think that a love of Jesus and belief in him would go without saying by Christians but in this day and I time, I guess not, so, ....
The presumption that all who say they are Christians believe the same things automatically, and that you would assume (i.e. "one would think") that to be the case, leads me to deduce the following:
1. You do not have a good understanding about what Jesus taught on false converts.
2. You do not have a good understanding about the doctrine of repentance and remission of sins.
What I meant by this is that I came here looking to talk with other Christians, not having to prove that I am one. Not feeling like I am under investigation to prove it. Perhaps it is just a misunderstanding in the delivery but here is your post, which was in regards to my post..
"I appreciate you taking the time to reply. I'm not sure how to say this in a tactful way so I just want to come out and say it straight-forward: Every churchgoer I have ever heard claims to believe what you just stated. My general summary of what you have told us so far is that you're against 501c3, you're against witchcraft, and you believe on Jesus, which does not necessarily mean that you're born again in Christ."
I wholeheartedly agree, just as having a website and posting YouTube videos does not  mean one is a Christian because no one really knows another's personal life, especially if we do not know the people, just correspond with them on the internet. Not meaning that ugly, but this type of assumption can work both ways. Next part of paragraph.

Melissa, no. You should be ashamed of yourself for that comment because you know that was wrong because that was a vengeful comment that you spoke in foolishness. Your post was starting to look good to me until you said that.

I never stated that having a website or YouTube channel made one a Christian, but context of what I say and teach on that website and on those audio teachings provides the evidence necessary for another Christian to judge my beliefs, so they can confirm that I am brethren. Not only do I give testimony of that on my website, but I also provide my testimony of salvation on it, and furthermore, I provide more evidence to my faith here on this forum for others online to see. What you did was come here, claim to be of Christ, and then leave out the evidence of those things so we can confirm them, which would lead someone to the conclusion that you simply accept anyone who claims they are a Christian without evidence, and so if that is not the case, then we require more information, which is what I was explaining to you.

So therefore, what you tried to do was take what I was telling you (i.e. a claim to Christianity does not automatically make someone born again), which is true, and then contentiously turn that around on me (i.e. a claim to have a website or YouTube channel does not automatically make someone born again), which is NOT true, even though I never made any such claim, nor did I leave you without context and evidence for my beliefs, and then you thought you had a "gotcha" moment like you retorted some sort of wisdom, when in reality, you made yourself look foolish.
Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
-Pro 26:5

Now, if you have taken the time to produce hundreds of hours of audio teachings, many books, and hundreds of article teachings where I can go analyze your doctrine, then by all means, please share the link so I can go check it out, and you will not have to give me any more details. However, if you want to start these little slap-and-run comments out of contention because we simply desired to know more about what you believe, then I don't think this forum is what you're looking for, and you should probably look elsewhere for fellowship because we don't act like that towards one another here.

"Of course it does not mean that you are not born again in Christ, as there may just be a discrepancy in writing or understanding of doctrine, or something else. However, I do want to explain the matter, and I'll begin by reminding you of what Jesus taught during what is commonly known as the "Sermon on the Mount." (i.e. Assuming that you have studied this matter out in times past.)"
I am glad that you also mentioned "it does not mean that you are not born again in Christ" also. Next paragraph:I did not see that doctrine in your original post because you really did not give any kind of testimony about your conversion to Christ and renewal by the Holy Spirit. You basically went from noticing a problem, to making a decision "to be lukewarm no more," which is not how people are converted unto Christ according to Scripture, and it's not how they become justified before God.
My concern was to make sure that we are on the same page when it comes to what the Gospel of Jesus Christ is, or at the very least, if there is a discrepancy between what you believe and what we believe, that you would understand that discrepancy as you continue on this forum, so you would understand the difference in doctrine that may appear in our discussions going forward.
I said I decided to be "lukewarm no more". One can not be a lukewarm Christian, if they are not a Christian to start with. To break it on down further, the Holy Spirit convicted me about this, and gave me a burden, about so many others that had let their heart, life, status for God, become lukewarm, and that they would be left here when he returns for his church.. and ultimately, will go to hell.

Okay, that's fine and all, but when did you come to Christ? You said these things indicating that you were born again in Christ prior to that point, so when were you saved?

Are you still with me? So I repented (was truly sorry in my heart, asked God to forgive me, and to help me to help others), while I asked him for a burden for the lost (as we should have as Christians anyway if saved, I had let many things take first priority over winning souls, but my burden for other Christians who were backslid, is very great also).

Again, as Tim asked earlier, what do you mean by backslid?

I hope this answers the Moderator's comment/ question:

Well, it did not answer it for me because you still have not presented us with when you were converted, and you still have not defined "backslid."

I think if you elaborate on what you believe regarding the topics Chris mentioned would help me better understand. But this caught my attention because I wonder what you mean when you say someone is backslidden and why exactly that means they would be left behind when Jesus Christ returns.
To which Administrator commented:

Hmm... it seems like either your post got cut off, or you copy/pasted the wrong thing. It seemed to just stop. I'll wait to see if you post more later.

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General Discussion / Re: Repetition and Hypocrisy

« on: July 31, 2020, 02:47:04 PM »

I've noticed in Christopher's teachings that he sure repeats himself over and over again in every single teaching he does.

Would you like to know the reason for that? I used to hate doing it, but now I have learned that I need to do it for the sake of other Christians. If you have a heart of charity that wants to know why I do the things the way I do them, you are welcome to ask a question and I can answer it.

I can pick any teaching of his and end up hearing the same exact phrases from a teaching of an entirely different topic.

That is because many verses correlate together, and apply to multiple issues. Are you listening to the full teaching in the audio downloads on the website, or are you just listening by YouTube? I don't know which one. However, if you have a problem with one particular issue, make it known to everyone so we can understand your argument.

Does Christopher go out and work to earn a wage to care for his family as a man is naturally called to do?

I did for many years. In the past four years (since 2016), I have worked this ministry full time. If you take the time to study Scripture on your own (i.e. not just listening to my teachings all the time), you will find that the Holy Spirit allowed for those who labor in the Word and doctrine to make a living from the teaching of the Word, so long as they are doing and teaching what is right.
Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock? Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also? For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen? Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope. If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?
-1Co 9:7-11
If you cannot understand what these verses mean, let us know, and we can help you to understand them better. As it stands, it ought to be an embarrassment to you that, not only are you demanding that I work 60 hours a week on this ministry, giving everything away for free, but you are also demanding that I reliquish having anyone be charitable to me and my wife, and work another 40-60 hours a week on top of that.

Let me ask you this: Have you done that? Are you leading by example in that manner by working a full-time job and doing a full-time teaching ministry, or are you just laying that burden on other mens' shoulders?
And he said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers.
-Luke 11:46
Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
-Mat 7:12

If he doesn't, that makes sense as to why he has all the time in the world to answer emails from obvious gnostic types who can never be corrected and to type away on his keyboard to write very lengthy articles that I'm sure only a handful of people read and listen to on a regular basis.

That is correct; I have the time to write, code, research, study, answer, edit, correct, process and upload videos and audio, write entire full-length books and release them free-to-read... because the Lord Jesus Christ has blessed Lorraine and I with a handful of people who are charitable enough to help me get that done because I could not do it alone. Would you feel better if they stopped helping us in charity?

Yet he speaks and acts as though he is talking to a large audience of those who don't regularly hear his points and reasoning.

Acts? I thought I remember saying multiple times in various teachings that we only have maybe around 100-150 regular listeners. I don't care if we only had 10 regular listeners, these audio teachings go out across the world, and though I make these primarily for the church, I am preaching to all who will hear and understand. If that upsets you, then I would encourage you to start up teaching in ministry and go set a better example for us to show us what we, as a church, should do.

I have a thought that his congregation is too afraid to call him out on his own hypocrisy, looking narrowly on his actions and words as he continually does to others who are hypocrites as well as he is. His congregation is afraid to be on the receiving end of his constant banning for those he gets offended by.

Chris, I'll tell you what: I'll let them answer that for you. I don't think my words or examples will help you understand, so I will ask them to speak as they are convicted on the matter.

How about he starts speaking to his congregation directly instead of insulting their intelligence by imagining that one day there will be a surge of many new members who haven't heard his tired, cold ways of preaching and dealing with people. By the way, I reject the trash that is seminary theology and I'll never step foot in a so-called church. I'm a hypocrite as well as he is, but at least I admit it honestly.

I still cannot figure out what it is you want. This is really quite vague. There are about 25 members in our church, and most of them have accounts here, so I think it's better that they answer you on that. Obviously, you wanted them to hear this (because you are here to cause discord among brethren), so again, I'll let them respond.
These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
-Pro 6:16-19

Christopher Johnson is the type to say that he's a sinner like anyone else but deep down views himself even as I'm sure Paul viewed himself, as in, doing more for the kingdom of the Lord than others who also professed Christ Jesus.

That's a big assumption. First of all, Paul did not view himself that way, Paul said that as a matter of fact, and it is true; he did do more than the others. I have never stated such a thing, nor do I think that way, but what you chose to do is make an assumption, and just say "I'm the type" who will do that. That's not an argument.
In your so-called "introduction" post, you said, "I made a post in the same way he posts and accuses others of being hypocrites." So far, that is a lie. I use direct quotes and compare what people say to what Scripture teaches us. You have not quoted anything I have said, you have not pointed out any Scriptures that I am violating, and you have not explained anything. You are just whining like child, and we are not supposed to be children when it comes to understanding.
Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
-1Co 14:20
Now, do you see how I quote the things you say and show you the violation between what you say and what Scripture teaches? That is how a Christian should make an argument, and therefore, you have not posted "in the same way" that I do.

I'm sorry to offend Christopher by saying this, but him keeping himself in a bubble away from the world except through the internet is not serving the Father and His Son as he might think that he is.

Again, I'll let those who live here give their testimonies on that. I do not need to defend myself against a liar. You are welcome to believe whatever you want.

I also find it strange that Christopher is always in the process of setting at naught people who preach sound doctrine and expose the wickedness of current false teachers as though Christopher is the end all of Biblical teaching. Christopher surrounds himself with people that will always agree with him and consume his teaching without any meaningful correction towards him.

Again, I'll let others in our church respond to that. You are welcome to believe whatever you want about me, but what I want to know is exactly what I said in my response to your introduction. Which of your favorite preachers (i.e. your gods) did I rebuke? I suspect it's Kent Hovind, but that's just a guess; am I wrong?

When Christopher is corrected, he immediately copies and pastes walls of Bible verses as a way to win the argument and plays the same game that people like Kent Hovind play by claiming that his congregation agrees with his points entirely and so making his argument the right and Biblical one.

Read that carefully folks. Chris is arguing that we should NOT use Scripture to correct anyone if they state something that is false. If anyone comes to us and falsely accuses us, according to Chris, we are simply expected to accept their lies and change ourselves to fit in with their false doctrines. I would love for Chris to provide some Scripture for that, but again, he is already setting up a narrative by which he is claiming that we should not use Scripture to correct anyone, and the reason for that is because he does not want to be corrected:
Correction is grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: and he that hateth reproof shall die.
-Pro 15:10
I want him to get to his point and just tell me which of his false gods (i.e. teachers) I rebuked, so we can get to the point because I need to get back to work.

I won't be surprised if this post gets removed or banned for Christopher's feelings being hurt while his congregation pats him on the back and tells him how he did the right thing for this or that reason.

Has he not read the "Wild Emails" section here? I don't think Chris knows how we operate.

Why doesn't Christopher call his own congregation out for bowing at his feet when it comes to his doctrine and teaching? Why is it that Christopher's congregation has lost the ability to speak their own words but instead regurgitate the same phrases over and over again as a means to defend their beloved prophet as do all the other cults for their leaders?

Chris does not listen to my teachings very well then because I have said many times that people should not be following me, and that they should be following Jesus Christ, and checking out the things I'm telling them to make sure they are true.
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
-2Ti 2:15
Of course, Chris will whine and complain that I quote that verse over and over and over again, and this is one of the reasons why I do that, so those who come in the wickedness of contention, with railing and false accusations, might memorize these verses, and judge themselves accordingly.
For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
-1Co 11:31

I pity his wife, honestly. It must be difficult having a husband who refuses to get a simple job, and I know the reason why. It's because Christopher has a soapbox permanently glued to the bottom of his feet, and would not be able to keep himself from calling out others at work that he deems as believing in false doctrine, whether they do or not.

I just shared your statement with my wife. She said she might respond to you later this evening in a response on this thread.

This proves that Christopher is a busybody who cannot show the love and truth of the Lord Christ Jesus by his actions towards others. He feels the need to exhaust people with words upon words upon words upon words of repetitious rebuke and correction until they give in or they offend him so that he can easily write them off as he does with anyone who doesn't join his congregation and believes his every point.
Could it be possible that Christopher Johnson is jealous that he is not a popular preacher and never was, even when he fell into the same church-going stuff that he now condemns? I'm also sure he indirectly shames his congregation for not donating to him as much as they should because of all the hard work he does in typing his articles and writing his books.
I would really love to see his answer to my post. I expect him to get immediately offended and to ban me instantly because of such a harsh post of criticism towards him. I hope he proves me wrong though, but I already know what answer to expect, sadly.

Sorry everyone, I just really need to get back to work because I'm in the middle of working on more teachings. I don't have time for this nonsense. All this is vague. He gives no examples, no quotes. He provides no Scripture. He lied in a number of instances, and most importantly, he has not told us what triggered him to do this in the first place. I want to know which false teacher I rebuked that offended him.

If Chris is not going to tell us, I can't see any purpose in continuing to respond to a man who accuses others on false and hypocritical pretenses. If he wants to explain himself with more details, providing evidence and Scripture for his claims, then let's see it, but if not, then he should depart this ministry in peace to go find whatever it is he is looking for, and I hope he has a great day.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: My name is Chris from Idaho

« on: July 31, 2020, 01:26:28 PM »

I'm doing this because Christopher Johnson doesn't seem to want to reply to any of my concerns and resorts to calling me a railer and a false accuser as I knew he would do. I don't know exactly how much I'm being forced to reveal about myself but I'm not surprised by Christopher's attitude. I made a post in the same way he posts and accuses others of being hypocrites. I'm 31 years old and have separated myself from the countless false teachers and churches that fall into the same condemnation of prideful boasting and refusal to receive correction. I've listened to plenty of Christopher's teachings and read many of his articles to their entirety, so I'm not ignorant on the things I've said in my general post. I've even donated money a few times to Creation Liberty Evangelism but it never seems to be enough for people like Christopher. Now let's see if Christopher will prolong responding with a proper answer to my original post. I'm genuinely looking forward to it.

Well, it looks like Tim already muted your account, and I can see why he did. As a moderator, I think he does not want you going around our forum and causing trouble when he is not readily available to oversee the matter.

I'll go over this post step-by-step, but frankly, I think it's wasting my time. I am having to stop the study, research, and writing I am currently doing to answer these things, but for the sake of the church, I will take some time to respond.

I'm doing this because Christopher Johnson doesn't seem to want to reply to any of my concerns and resorts to calling me a railer and a false accuser as I knew he would do.

That is not what I said. I would refer all those interested to the post I made he is referring to, and you can see for yourself what was stated here:
http://www.creationliberty.com/forum/index.php?topic=1105.msg8945#msg8945

I don't know exactly how much I'm being forced to reveal about myself but I'm not surprised by Christopher's attitude.

I was unaware that asking a new member to abide by the forum rules was the equivalent of "having an attitude," whatever that is supposed to mean. Again, I refer everyone to the link above, so you can see my post, and you judge the matter for yourself.

I made a post in the same way he posts and accuses others of being hypocrites.

That remains to be seen. When I accuse someone of something, I provide evidence to support my claim, analyzing doctrine in comparison with God's Word, as Christ and the apostles did. This leads me to believe that his objection is because I rebuked one of his favorite leavened teachers, and I do not know if he will reveal which one (or more than one) that he follows that has caused him to take offense. Unless he writes more straight-forward, we cannot get to the heart of the matter.

I'm 31 years old and have separated myself from the countless false teachers and churches that fall into the same condemnation of prideful boasting and refusal to receive correction.

Well, you claim that, but the contentious demeanor you have brought to this forum tells us something different.
But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.
-1Co 11:16
Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom.
-Pro 13:10
That means whoever you are following has taught that the contentious nature of your words are acceptable with God is in error, and I can prove that from Scripture if you would like. So the question I am left with is: Who is the false teacher you worship? If you worshiped Jesus Christ, we would be on friendly terms, but because you have worshiped a preacher as a false god, you have taken offense that I have rebuked your god, and so I would like to know the name of the man who has become your god so we can address the problem at its source.

I've listened to plenty of Christopher's teachings and read many of his articles to their entirety, so I'm not ignorant on the things I've said in my general post.

I'll take your word for that, but it does not tell us anything about when you were allegedly born again in Christ, so we have no idea if you are just playing the part of a churchgoer, or if you have something substantial to testify of true faith.

I've even donated money a few times to Creation Liberty Evangelism but it never seems to be enough for people like Christopher.

I don't recall asking you to donate to me, and I don't recall making any kind of video or written request begging you to give me more money. As long as Lorraine and I can pay our bills and get the things we need, we're fine. We only have, on average, about 11 people per month who donate to help us out, and you were one of them at one point, but if you are this offended, you should not be giving us money in the first place, and I also want you to know that donating money does not have an effect on how I judge a matter because we are called to judge righteous judgment, not judge according to appearance. (i.e. Just because you gave some money to someone, does not mean you get special treatment in any sense, especially since those things should be done in charity alone.)
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
-John 7:24

Now let's see if Christopher will prolong responding with a proper answer to my original post. I'm genuinely looking forward to it.

Well, I'm not sure I will respond to it all because you are so enraged in wrath, we still have no idea who we are talking to. I went over to Paypal to double check, and I only have one person with the name "Christopher" to donate to us in the past year, and the last name starts with a 'T' -- is that correct? This lists out a different email address than the one you put on the forum, and I cannot find anymore information on either of them, so I have nothing to go on.

I cannot discern where he is coming from and what he believes without more to go on, which is why I think he's keeping it hidden for the time being. His last donation was in May, so I'm going to guess that it's about Kent Hovind, but I still don't know for sure because I do not have enough evidence.

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General Discussion / Re: Repetition and Hypocrisy

« on: July 31, 2020, 10:47:52 AM »

You signed an agreement when you came onto this forum, and you did not read carefully.
As stated in the Registration Agreement that everyone electronically signed when creating an account, you must make a post in the Introduce Yourself section of our forum within 48 hours of registering, or you may have your account deleted.
http://www.creationliberty.com/forum/index.php?topic=20.0

The reason you skipped over all this is because you did not come here to have peaceful discussion, you came here with a railing and contentious attitude, and it contradicts the pretense of your username.
But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.
-1Co 11:16
Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom.
-Pro 13:10

If you calm yourself in temperance (which is the fruit of the Spirit of God), then things will go much smoother for you while you are here.
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
-Gal 5:22-23

If you abide by the rules of our forum, then we can have a discussion with you about your concerns. If you do not want to follow the rules, then we will show you the door and bid you a pleasant day.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Hi there

« on: July 31, 2020, 10:04:23 AM »

It's interesting that we never heard from her again. This was four months ago. She was very excited to be here, until she got the repentance teaching and said she would show it to her husband. That was last we ever heard from her. Her testimony seemed a bit strange to me because I could not find a place where she was converted unto Christ. The only thing I saw in her words is that she got stabbed by a branch, and then said she suddenly believed in God. That's not how the Bible tells us that sinners are converted unto Christ.

It's just sad how many come here and we see this same repeated process. They take the time to make an account, join us, tell us how excited they are, and then when we share repentance (i.e. godly sorrow of wrongdoing) and remission (i.e. forgiveness) of sins with them, they quickly move on. I hope that is not the case, but it very much seems like it based on the evidence so far.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Hello I am Melissa

« on: July 31, 2020, 09:48:37 AM »

That's a good point Tim because, as far as I am aware, the term "backslide" is not a Biblical term, so I also cannot determine what she meant, and I would like to know as well.

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General Discussion / Re: For any who have been silenced by YTube, Twitter, Fbook or others

« on: July 30, 2020, 07:36:53 PM »

You see Melissa, that's what I was concerned about when you came here to join the forum. So far, it seems like you are much more concerned about the things that the "conspiracy theory ministries" out there are concerned about, and much less concerned about the Gospel of Jesus Christ. When I read your introduction post, I had a suspicion your first post was going to be something along these lines. I'm not really sure what you came here for, but I think you might have misunderstood somewhere along the line what our ministry is about because, once you understand what we believe and teach, I think you might be disappointed since our goals are not going to be aligned.

The things that you're posting about are going to come to pass eventually because they have to in order for the events of Revelation to unfold. If not now, then soon. We are all just praying for the times of peaceful preaching to continue as long as God will allow so we can teach the repentance and remission of sins that will save souls.

I hope you will go over to the introduction thread you started and read some of our concerns, and perhaps explain to us your beliefs so we can understand you better. (http://www.creationliberty.com/forum/index.php?topic=1103.0)

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Hello I am Melissa

« on: July 30, 2020, 12:48:31 PM »

I appreciate you taking the time to reply. I'm not sure how to say this in a tactful way so I just want to come out and say it straight-forward: Every churchgoer I have ever heard claims to believe what you just stated. My general summary of what you have told us so far is that you're against 501c3, you're against witchcraft, and you believe on Jesus, which does not necessarily mean that you're born again in Christ.

Of course it does not mean that you are not born again in Christ, as there may just be a discrepancy in writing or understanding of doctrine, or something else. However, I do want to explain the matter, and I'll begin by reminding you of what Jesus taught during what is commonly known as the "Sermon on the Mount." (i.e. Assuming that you have studied this matter out in times past.)

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
-Matthew 7:21-23

Jesus clearly taught that works will not get someone into heaven; no one is justified by works.

Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
-Gal 2:16

However, Jesus also told an entire group of people who believed on Him that they were not of God.

Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed... Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
-John 8:31-47

The reason I'm bringing this up is because of your use of the word 'repent' in your original post, and so I was hoping you might clarify this for me a bit. The difference between those who gain eternal life and those who do not is based on repentance and faith.

Of course, you might agree to that initially, but your use of the word 'repent' seems that you believe something different about it than we do, and that's why I wanted to hear more about what it is you believe on the list of things I mentioned in my last response. Here is what you said on repentance:

I feel freemasons should not be in the church unless they repent

There are many reasons I could give for this (if you want those, just ask me), but it seems to indicate that you believe that 'repent' means "to turn from sin." I am not certain that is what you believe, so you might have to clarify that for me if I am incorrect.

The word 'repent' does not mean "to turn from sin" or "to change one's mind about sin," but rather, repentance is "grief and godly sorrow of sin." I did a full-length teaching on that subject if you are interested:
Is Repentance Part of Salvation?

So that, in combination with your more recent statement give me some insight:

One would think that a love of Jesus and belief in him would go with out saying by Christians but in this day and I time, I guess not, so, ....

The presumption that all who say they are Christians believe the same things automatically, and that you would assume (i.e. "one would think") that to be the case, leads me to deduce the following:
1. You do not have a good understanding about what Jesus taught on false converts.
2. You do not have a good understanding about the doctrine of repentance and remission of sins.
And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
-Luke 24:44-47

If I am incorrect on my assessment of what you have said, you will have to let me know, but repentance is godly sorrow of wrongdoing, and remission is forgiveness of sins. That's why Jesus began to preach:
Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
-Mark 1:14-15

I did not see that doctrine in your original post because you really did not give any kind of testimony about your conversion to Christ and renewal by the Holy Spirit. You basically went from noticing a problem, to making a decision "to be lukewarm no more," which is not how people are converted unto Christ according to Scripture, and it's not how they become justified before God.

My concern was to make sure that we are on the same page when it comes to what the Gospel of Jesus Christ is, or at the very least, if there is a discrepancy between what you believe and what we believe, that you would understand that discrepancy as you continue on this forum, so you would understand the difference in doctrine that may appear in our discussions going forward.

As much as witchcraft is evil, and the leaven of preachers to get incorporated with the IRS is evil, warring against those things does not automatically make one a Christian. I look forward to reading your response, and if you get time to look at that teaching on repentance, assuming you want to understand the matter, I would enjoy reading your assessment of it if you have the time. Again, thanks for getting back with me.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Hello I am Melissa

« on: July 28, 2020, 03:27:15 PM »

I'm a bit confused because that seemed to be a lot of information and/or stories compacted into a very short amount of space. I did not follow your post very well.

You said you saw videos on 501c3. Did you listen to entire series? Or did you read the entire book? If not, then your post makes more sense, but if you have listened to, or read, all of it, then I am not understanding why you are so hyper-focused on 501c3, rather than being hyper-focused on leaven, which is what I was teaching is the source of the problem. 501c3 is only a symptom of the underlying problem, so it sounds to me like you did not understand what I was teaching.
501c3: The Devil's Church

Also, I get where you are coming from on the witchcraft issue, and the passion you have to help others understand it, because I know of no church building anywhere near us that would teach the truth about such things, but that preacher was technically correct; women do not have teaching authority over the church specifically, and in your post, you did not explain what you meant when you said he "misunderstood."
Can Women Be Pastors?

Finally, I wanted to ask you what your interpretation of the Gospel of Salvation is because you may not have noticed that 'Jesus' was not mentioned once in your post, and so since you're new to this forum, we have no idea what it is you believe about the law, sin, guilt, repentance, remission of sins, grace, and faith. If you want to understand what we believe about those things, I would say that all of our church, and most people on our forum, believe what is written in this:
Why Millions of Believers on Jesus Are Going to Hell

If you get a chance to look at some of those things, and/or you would be willing to clarify some of those things, I think it might help us to understand you better. Take your time, and I'll look for your response whenever you're ready.