Okay, before I begin, I want to say that I don't always share everything in these emails with you guys because, sometimes, what they send me is so long, nonsensical, and/or boring, I don't want to bother you guys with it, but in this instance, I'm going to show you everything. After the above letters ended, she wrote me again, and then, 15 months later, wrote me AGAIN. It will make sense contextually why I am quoting all of this when you are done reading it, so here is the rest of it...
ROSE FROM "USA" -- APR 9, 2020:
Dear Mr. Johnson,
My heart is so seriously sad and sorrowful over your response. Where is the fruit of the Spirit in your Self aggrandizing assessment of the situation? Where is the gentle spirit and holy conversation that is commanded from Christ’s servants?
I am equally saddened that I am unable to share anything further with you because you are determined to find fault with anything other than what you have predetermined in your own mind to be absolute truth. You are unable to see your human fallibility and have thus taken a dangerous position with strongholds within yourself that you are not able to comprehend.
So what if I am a new believer using the milk of the Word. Don’t we all have to start somewhere? Do you really think it pleasing to the Lord that you flaunt your biblical knowledge in such a way as to insinuate that a new believer is not saved because they have not the skill of an advanced teacher, such as yourself?
The folly of it is I had much respect for most of your work but had only an issue with one small part that I thought might be misleading and you had to make a big ta do about it with much presumption because you cared so much for my soul. Really? Why in the world would you accuse me of such things as intentionally hiding my identity or where I live? I sent you a check with a return address, do you recall?
While the KJV might be the most accurate Bible translation, it does mean that some are not saved who use other translations as you seem to insinuate. I know many KJV only ministers and lay people alike who are deep into deception in many areas and know some others who use other translations that have a heart for God that you would not recognize or give any credence to. This is not how the Word of God tells us how we will know them who are His. He did not say we would know them by their knowledge of the Word of God or by what version of the bible they use. He said we would know them by their fruit. Period! There are many good and gifted teachers without fruit of the Spirit, that we are warned to beware of regardless of how much doctrine or what bible translation they use.
My obligation is to learn to be sensitive to the leading of the Holy Spirit and that does not include going back and listening to or reading all of what you teach at your command, based on Scripture references that promote your agenda. Do you really think everyone who visits your site is obligated to listen to or read all of everything you have to say? Where is your heart of compassion and understanding for a new believer or gentleness in teaching one who believes other than yourself? Are you really that enlightened that you cannot ever be respectfully challenged? Why are you not able to bring correction with a gentle and kind spirit? I was not attacking you and yet you come across as if I were some kind of villain or evil person. Do you think that you will not have to give an account for the presumptuous thoughts and false accusations you make about things you really have no knowledge of? Quite honestly, if you are able to understand, your rhetoric appears to be more like a religious person than one who is enjoying a relationship with Jesus Christ as Lord of his life.
I was not prompted of the Holy Spirit to reply sooner or to spend hours pouring over your teachings. Women are instructed to have a gentle and quiet spirit and to not have authority over a man. Yet you seem to insist that it is quite okay for me to engage in arguments with you.
My heart was deeply touched when I heard about your wife’s miscarriage and sensed the Holy Spirit prompt me to send you a small donation to maybe help out a bit and yet not one word of appreciation or thanks. Not that I am looking to be thanked but it just shows the signs of the times and the hearts of the people in ministry today.
Since most of your comments were unkind and presumptuous, please do not respond to this email, as I am not interested in your argumentative, authoritarian, presumptuous and disrespectful style of communication. I’m very sorry that for the much good teaching that you do, you cannot discern your own manipulation and control over the laity or anyone who has another interpretation of Scripture than your own. (Matthew 7)
I write these things only after much prayer that I speak only the Words given by the Holy Spirit - the first commandment must always come before the second, knowing full well that most, if not all of what I have to say will come under your careful inspection and critique because you have convinced yourself that you are invincible and cannot be corrected. A very sorry state to be in, indeed!
I will close with saying: If you were my son, I would say: Son, I forgive you your trespasses as I’ve been forgiven by Christ for mine and then I would ask you in a most humble, gentle, kind and loving way possible: “Son, have you surrendered your will and your life to the Lordship of Christ? “ Surely you must know that one must get down on his knees and die to himself before the Holy Spirit will take up residence in a man's heart.
Then Jesus told His disciples, “If anyone wants to come after Me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow Me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. What will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul?… (Matthew 16:24-26)
Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine an doeth them, (inward works righteousness of the Beatitudes) I will liken him unto a man that built his house on a rock. (Matthew 7:24)
I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily. (1 Cor. 15:31)
Many verses teach about our need to die to self. https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Dying-To-Self/
May you know His peace that surpasses understanding and enter fully into His rest. (Phil. 4:6-7) We must all, always remember, God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble. (James 4:6)
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. (Matthew 11:28-30)
Respectfully - For His Glory,
She made this part seem like it was the end of the letter because she signed her full name, but then she just kept writing. It's strange. This is all part of the same email...
Again, my heart is deeply grieved, please do not send another rhetorical analysis of how I and all those who do not use the KJV have so terribly missed the mark. I do pray that you are able to restrain yourself from any further communications.
Also, for whatever it might be worth to you - The LORD has called me out of Hebrew Root Movements, Word of Faith and NAR movements plus some other things. By no means have I a handle on all of the False Gospels and Prophets of the day, as they are much too numerous to count, I have been blessed with some discernment. To God be the Glory for His mercy, I deserve none of it! Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God. (Acts 14:22)
I pray that you will know the peace of God that surpasses understanding and that you will insert the following verses appropriately.
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. (Matthew 7:16-20)
And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, (2 Timothy 2:24)
“But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;” (1 Peter 1:15)
But speak things which become sound doctrine: that the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience. The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things. (Titus 2:1-2)
To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, showing all meekness unto all men. (Titus 3:2)
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth (Matthew 5:5)
(A. W. Tozer has an excellent teaching on meekness in "The Pursuit of God" - however, I'm sure that you probably have a list of faults to degrade his character in some way as you do all the many others, than give any other than yourself credit for anything pertaining to godliness.)
But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. (James 3:17)
Whoso loveth instruction loveth knowledge: but he that hateth reproof is brutish. (Proverbs 12:1)
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. (Romans 8:14)
Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace to the hearer. And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you. (Eph. 4:29-32)
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. (1 Timothy 2:9-14)
Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression. (Psalm 19:13)
And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges; I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth. But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.
Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches;
To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it. (Revelation 2:12-17)
Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men." ... Give careful thought to do what is honorable in everyone's eyes." (Romans 12:17)
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come, for men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, in continent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God; having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. (2 Timothy 3:1-5)
No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment, for the patch will pull away from the garment, making the tear worse. Neither do people pour new wine into old wineskins. If they do, the skins will burst; the wine will run out, and the wineskins will be ruined. No, they pour new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved. (Matt. 9:16–17)
And above all things have fervent love among yourselves: for love shall cover a multitude of sins. (1 Peter 4:8 )
And Jesus answered and said unto them, "Take heed that no man deceive you." (Matthew 24:4)
If anyone speaks, he should speak as one conveying the words of God. If anyone serves, he should serve with the strength God provides, so that in all things God may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be the glory and the power forever and ever. Amen. Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial that has come upon you, as though something strange were happening to you. But rejoice that you share in the sufferings of Christ, so that you may be overjoyed at the revelation of His glory... (1 Peter 4:11-13)
These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world. (John 16:33)
Psalm 37:1-11 King James Version (KJV)
Fret not thyself because of evildoers, neither be thou envious against the workers of iniquity.
2 For they shall soon be cut down like the grass, and wither as the green herb.
3 Trust in the Lord, and do good; so shalt thou dwell in the land, and verily thou shalt be fed.
4 Delight thyself also in the Lord: and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart.
5 Commit thy way unto the Lord; trust also in him; and he shall bring it to pass.
6 And he shall bring forth thy righteousness as the light, and thy judgment as the noonday.
7 Rest in the Lord, and wait patiently for him: fret not thyself because of him who prospereth in his way, because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass.
8 Cease from anger, and forsake wrath: fret not thyself in any wise to do evil.
9 For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the Lord, they shall inherit the earth.
10 For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be.
11 But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.
The LORD bless you and keep you,
The LORD make His face shine upon you
And be gracious unto you,
The LORD turn His face toward you
And give you His shalom (peace)!
(Numbers 6:24-26)
These are excuses Rose, not a response to my email. You were happy to argue various points before this last email (as evidenced by your previous letters), but as soon as I rebuked you, you were grieved at correction and acted like you cannot have a discussion with me because you're a woman. That's childish nonsense Rose. You know that's just an excuse, and you should be ashamed of yourself for trying to use such a foolish argument.
Correction is grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: and he that hateth reproof shall die.
-Pro 15:10The only thing you proved by this email is exactly what I already suspected: You do not have understanding of the Word of God, you only know how to do keyword searches. I could have pointed out many Scriptural flaws in your letter, but I am not going to waste my time because I cannot help a prideful woman that believes she has no sin, who has no godly sorrow in her heart, while she holds the belief that she understands Scripture.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
-1Co 2:14What more can I do besides tell that woman the truth and move on? The pride of your heart is causing you to reject repentance (i.e. godly sorrow), and God does not give his grace to the proud of heart.
But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
-James 4:6Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
-Rev 3:17In the context of this conversation (which is not much of a conversation at all since you will not respond to what I am saying to you), I
DO NOT care if you sent money or not because I am concerned about whether someone is right with the Lord Jesus Christ; I love Him, not your money. Money is not a contributing factor in rebuking the prideful double heart that hides behind flattering lips, and such things will not gain you favor with Christ's true church (as opposed to your Hebrew roots cults that you like to follow).
Help, LORD; for the godly man ceaseth; for the faithful fail from among the children of men. They speak vanity every one with his neighbour: with flattering lips and with a double heart do they speak.
-Psa 12:1-2If you believe that I have done you wrong in rebuking your false doctrines and sins, then by all means, I hope you depart from our ministry in peace, but you should be on your way. Go to those wicked and false preachers that you prefer to listen to; your letter makes it clear that I cannot do anything to persuade you further. If the Lord God shows you mercy and opens your eyes to your wrongdoing, and you want further conversation on that point, then you are welcome to write us again, but until then, I hope you stay safe and healthy in all your travels and endeavors, and that you leave us in peace.
http://www.creationliberty.com/forum/index.php?topic=1026.0
That link leads to this forum post, which she likely never looked at because she doesn't bother to examine herself, nor what anyone else says if they dare to rebuke her.
Moving on...ROSE FROM "USA" -- 15 MONTHS LATER...
Dear Christopher,
As I'm reading Numbers 14:39 this afternoon and how the children of Israel greatly mourned, I sense that I may owe you an apology. Please forgive me for whatever words I said to you that caused you to come against me. It was never my intention to involve myself in debate with you over the Word of God.
I'm further convicted by the words from the Book of James 4:9-12. I pray for your forgiveness for too many words spoken without sufficient knowledge and wisdom. I'm newly reborn and so please forgive the transgression, in Jesus name and for His sake.
Sincerely,
Rose
Like last time, she writes this as if it is two letters, but it is the same email. It's very strange.
Dear Christopher,
The above apology was written sometime last year but I suppose I was perhaps too proud to send it on to you. The Lord has broken my heart for living a wasted and selfish life and I too have been in tears this afternoon. I haven't been to your website in a very long time but I do covet your prayers for healing and a pure heart before the Lord and for deliverance from some very noisy neighbors which may have been sent to bring me into a true or deeper repentance.
Thank you!
As I'm reading Numbers 14:39 this afternoon and how the children of Israel greatly mourned, I sense that I may owe you an apology. Please forgive me for whatever words I said to you that caused you to come against me. It was never my intention to involve myself in debate with you over the Word of God. I have no idea who you are, and I don't remember having any conversation with you. I'm sorry, but I get a lot of letters and a lot of hate mail, so I need specifics. Thus, I searched your name in my email archives, and briefly looked over the letters. After doing so, it is clear to me that you addressed NOTHING I wrote to you last time, and whether you know it or not, those were very important matters of doctrine.
In those letters, you lied to me a number of times, so it refreshed my memory a bit, and in this letter, you are not specific as to what you are apologizing for; it's rather vague. It's as if you are sorry that you said things in a particular manner in which you said them, but have no repentance (i.e. grief and godly sorrow) for what specifically you said, which is what I was addressing. I
NEVER addressed you on the
WAY you said something, but rather, I addressed you on the information you did or did not provide in those letters.
Just out of curiousity, did you ever read this?
Why Millions of Believers on Jesus Are Going to HellEven your approach in this email was half-hearted at best, because you said that you
"sense" (i.e. based on a random, unknown feeling) that you
"may" (i.e. maybe, a possibility of which you are unsure) that you would own me an apology, even though the thought of someone owing me an apology never crossed my mind. Then, you lied AGAIN in this letter by saying that
"it was never my intention to involve myself in debate with you," and yet, you wrote me in the old letters saying,
"You are unable to see your human fallibility and have thus taken a dangerous position with strongholds within yourself that you are not able to comprehend... I am not interested in your argumentative, authoritarian, presumptuous and disrespectful style of communication. I’m very sorry... you cannot discern your own manipulation and control over the laity" -- You accused me of pretty much everything you could think of, when all I did was accuse you of lying, which I was able to prove. I didn't remember that you said any of those things; I'm just showing you your own words. Did you even go back and read those letters before you wrote me this email? That kind of statement clearly demonstrates the
OPPOSITE of what you are saying (i.e. that you didn't intent to debate), otherwise, you would never have said those things, which means you are STILL lying to this day.
God Does Not Justify LiesI'm further convicted by the words from the Book of James 4:9-12. I pray for your forgiveness for too many words spoken without sufficient knowledge and wisdom. I'm newly reborn and so please forgive the transgression, in Jesus name and for His sake.I still don't know what you're apologizing for, so I have no idea what to say to that. All I know is what I said above, which is based on the words you said then and now.
The above apology was written sometime last year but I suppose I was perhaps too proud to send it on to you.To be frank, based on the words
"I sense that I may owe you an apology," it doesn't sound like you wanted to send it now either.
The Lord has broken my heart for living a wasted and selfish life and I too have been in tears this afternoon. I haven't been to your website in a very long time but I do covet your prayers for healing and a pure heart before the Lord and for deliverance from some very noisy neighbors which may have been sent to bring me into a true or deeper repentance.A wasted and selfish life? Those tears should be because of
SIN, for deceiving yourself and others, not a wasted life. A wasted life indicates that you believe in works-based salvation, which is false doctrine. I'm not sure why you want my prayers specifically on those matters; it actually confuses me why you wrote me out of nowhere and requested that. Do you not have a church who you pray with?
Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
-Heb 10:25The Biblical Understanding of FellowshipAll I can do is pray for wisdom, knowledge, understanding, and mercy for both myself and for others. That being said, the second half of your last sentence made no sense, so I don't know what to say.
I just have to be blunt here, this all really sounds the same as what you were writing me over a year ago. If it is going to be the same thing, Rose, I just don't have time for this. I've got a lot of work to do; if you want to talk with some Christians, the forum is always available; you can register an account on that and talk with them. Have a great day.
END OF DISCUSSION
My impression was that this was, once again, worldly sorrow, or more specifically, sorrow for herself, more than for God or anyone else. She wrote this letter to make herself feel better, but an apology said in willful ignorance and denial of wrongdoing is no better than going to that person and slapping them in the face; in fact, in my opinion, it's worse because it's deceptive.What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
-1Co 14:15If we sing and pray with understanding, why would we not speak and act with understanding in all things? Rose does not care, so there's nothing more I can do.But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
-Mat 13:23
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