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Wild Emails @ CLE / What People Say Comes From Their Heart
« on: July 24, 2021, 11:59:18 AM »
I censored some of the words used in this man's emails.
ROBERT FROM NC:
are 501c3 ministers going to a fiery hell ?
Me, I hope so as they have sold The Living God out for chump change..
Judus like betrayers of Jesus Christ ,
what do you say ?
My book on the subject is free-to-read on our website:
501c3: The Devil's Church
The green audio button on the page will take you to our audio teaching series on that subject.
Sorry for coming on so strong in initial contact on your site,
These sob preachers who toy with emotions thru verses like Malachi 3 ,8-10 & the famous one line “serve the Lord with all your heart”
Translation put your money in the plate and shut up…don’t ask to look @ the financial leger
I have even had a preacher behind the pulpit say if tithing was good enough for Israel it is good enough for us today,
He than paused for a second drew back and then said just my thinking…
I have seen pastors get angry and yell at the congregation when church funds get low.. This to me is striking the rock.
I have even heard a pastor say , The Apostle Paul had to repent and start tithing…
Basturds all of them.
I have been in a lot of church’s , and I say to hell with these 501c3 con men,
I am found in Christ and full payment applied by the shed blood.
I can hardly wait for heaven and Judgment day, to tell theses scripture twisting , lucre hungry preachers ,
I told you so , as they are fastened to satans chain gang and cast into the lake of fire.
I am found in Christ and full payment applied by the shed blood.
Frankly, it doesn't sound like it. That's why you're more focused on 501c3 than the source of the problem. I wrote about the source of the problem in my book. The Bible teaches us the real source of the problem, and if you want to know more details about it, then I would recommend reading this:
Why Millions of Believers on Jesus Are Going to Hell
What you decide to do from here is up to you. Have a great day.
You go to hell too , Christopher.
You are nothing but a judge-matic fruit inspector,
As a matter of fact you are playing God,
You are arrogant as **** too for telling people they are lazy for not reading your ****…
You have a very thin skin,
I,ll see you on satans chain gang too, told you so,
Yeah, that's what I thought. It wasn't hard to discern.
But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
-Mat 15:18
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
-John 7:24
Unbiblical Cop-Outs: 'Don't Judge Me!'
END OF DISCUSSION
I have certainly told some people that they are lazy because they do not want to read something, but that is in the context of someone who comes to me to ask me a question, and then when I point to the hundreds of hours of research I put into one of my books to answer that question, they don't want to read it because they are lazy. (i.e. They are happy that I do hundreds of hours of work free of charge, but they don't want to put in a tiny fraction of that time to just read it.) I mean, obviously, he did not want to read what I wrote either, but I didn't call him lazy. Prideful and conceited men can be very dedicated and hardworking. I'm only going to accuse someone of something they are guilty of, I'm not going to accuse them of what they are not guilty of.
The fact that he is desperately seeking the day of the Lord to come to punish people means that he does not understand what he's talking about. His speech reveals what is in his heart, and it is not the humility and charity of Christ.
Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
-Mat 7:12
Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.
-Amos 5:18
This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
-Mat 15:8
But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
-Mat 15:18
ROBERT FROM NC:
are 501c3 ministers going to a fiery hell ?
Me, I hope so as they have sold The Living God out for chump change..
Judus like betrayers of Jesus Christ ,
what do you say ?
My book on the subject is free-to-read on our website:
501c3: The Devil's Church
The green audio button on the page will take you to our audio teaching series on that subject.
Sorry for coming on so strong in initial contact on your site,
These sob preachers who toy with emotions thru verses like Malachi 3 ,8-10 & the famous one line “serve the Lord with all your heart”
Translation put your money in the plate and shut up…don’t ask to look @ the financial leger
I have even had a preacher behind the pulpit say if tithing was good enough for Israel it is good enough for us today,
He than paused for a second drew back and then said just my thinking…
I have seen pastors get angry and yell at the congregation when church funds get low.. This to me is striking the rock.
I have even heard a pastor say , The Apostle Paul had to repent and start tithing…
Basturds all of them.
I have been in a lot of church’s , and I say to hell with these 501c3 con men,
I am found in Christ and full payment applied by the shed blood.
I can hardly wait for heaven and Judgment day, to tell theses scripture twisting , lucre hungry preachers ,
I told you so , as they are fastened to satans chain gang and cast into the lake of fire.
I am found in Christ and full payment applied by the shed blood.
Frankly, it doesn't sound like it. That's why you're more focused on 501c3 than the source of the problem. I wrote about the source of the problem in my book. The Bible teaches us the real source of the problem, and if you want to know more details about it, then I would recommend reading this:
Why Millions of Believers on Jesus Are Going to Hell
What you decide to do from here is up to you. Have a great day.
You go to hell too , Christopher.
You are nothing but a judge-matic fruit inspector,
As a matter of fact you are playing God,
You are arrogant as **** too for telling people they are lazy for not reading your ****…
You have a very thin skin,
I,ll see you on satans chain gang too, told you so,
Yeah, that's what I thought. It wasn't hard to discern.
But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
-Mat 15:18
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
-John 7:24
Unbiblical Cop-Outs: 'Don't Judge Me!'
END OF DISCUSSION
I have certainly told some people that they are lazy because they do not want to read something, but that is in the context of someone who comes to me to ask me a question, and then when I point to the hundreds of hours of research I put into one of my books to answer that question, they don't want to read it because they are lazy. (i.e. They are happy that I do hundreds of hours of work free of charge, but they don't want to put in a tiny fraction of that time to just read it.) I mean, obviously, he did not want to read what I wrote either, but I didn't call him lazy. Prideful and conceited men can be very dedicated and hardworking. I'm only going to accuse someone of something they are guilty of, I'm not going to accuse them of what they are not guilty of.
The fact that he is desperately seeking the day of the Lord to come to punish people means that he does not understand what he's talking about. His speech reveals what is in his heart, and it is not the humility and charity of Christ.
Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
-Mat 7:12
Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.
-Amos 5:18
This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
-Mat 15:8
But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
-Mat 15:18
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« on: July 19, 2021, 03:48:38 PM »184
General Discussion / The U.S. is NOT a Democracy
« on: July 17, 2021, 05:08:13 PM »
We are a Constitutional Republic. I've said this many times, but this is a short video put out by the Epoch Times that explains it well:
Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil; neither shalt thou speak in a cause to decline after many to wrest judgment:
-Exd 23:2
“A pure democracy can admit no cure for the mischiefs of faction. A common passion or interest will be felt by a majority, and there is nothing to check the inducements to sacrifice the weaker party. Hence it is, that democracies have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have, in general, been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.”
-James Madison, Federalist Papers
I hope that helps everyone understand why we are a Constitutional Republic, which is exactly what God originally set up for the Jews to have as well (until they rejected it for a king).
Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil; neither shalt thou speak in a cause to decline after many to wrest judgment:
-Exd 23:2
“A pure democracy can admit no cure for the mischiefs of faction. A common passion or interest will be felt by a majority, and there is nothing to check the inducements to sacrifice the weaker party. Hence it is, that democracies have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have, in general, been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.”
-James Madison, Federalist Papers
I hope that helps everyone understand why we are a Constitutional Republic, which is exactly what God originally set up for the Jews to have as well (until they rejected it for a king).
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General Discussion / I Tried To Tell People Not To Trust Wikipedia
« on: July 17, 2021, 11:14:09 AM »
For many years now, I have told people not to trust Wikipedia. You will notice that on my website, I do not provide references linking to Wikipedia. I have, however, had people write me and do that, and I have told them that Wikipedia is not trustworthy. I have also had a number of them get very angry with me, and others who would not respond after I told them that.
Wikipedia is the lazy man's research website. These lazy people think they can keyword searching a topic and send me a Wikipedia article, and that they have accomplished their goal of proving wrong something I said/wrote. And because they are lazy, they don't realize that they are being scammed, and hate me for pointing it out to them.
The people who write for Wikipedia have a mainstream bias, and are FORCED to have a mainstream bias. I have attempted to correct things that were blatantly wrong on Wikipedia in years past, since they said it was user driven, but they will NOT correct errors on subjects of mainstream leftist bias. The only way to avoid that censorship is to create a new type of sub-section of Wikipedia (which gets much less traffic) to write something different, but the main Wikipedia website must follow mainstream guidelines on any subject, including religion, politics, science, economics, etc... which means you are getting TONS of false and biased information through the site.
Again, I have warned people about this for years, and look what's coming out now...
“Nobody Should Trust Wikipedia” – Co-founder of Wikipedia Larry Sanger
Of course, he's only coming out to say that because Wikipedia is cutting out large portions of conservative information right now, but what's ridiculous is that this has been happening for YEARS on a micro level. This site has been almost completely unreliable outside of getting VERY basic level information (like when someone lived and died) for many years, but only now is this starting to get made known because of the war that is going on right now against the deep state.
You cannot have any website that is built for education without bias. That's impossible because education in general implies morals, and moral standards have to come from faith. Someone has to run the site. Someone has to have the final say. Therefore, that someone WILL be biased, and public opinion is not education.
Why?
Because THEY ARE LAZY.
Wikipedia is the lazy man's research website. These lazy people think they can keyword searching a topic and send me a Wikipedia article, and that they have accomplished their goal of proving wrong something I said/wrote. And because they are lazy, they don't realize that they are being scammed, and hate me for pointing it out to them.
The people who write for Wikipedia have a mainstream bias, and are FORCED to have a mainstream bias. I have attempted to correct things that were blatantly wrong on Wikipedia in years past, since they said it was user driven, but they will NOT correct errors on subjects of mainstream leftist bias. The only way to avoid that censorship is to create a new type of sub-section of Wikipedia (which gets much less traffic) to write something different, but the main Wikipedia website must follow mainstream guidelines on any subject, including religion, politics, science, economics, etc... which means you are getting TONS of false and biased information through the site.
Again, I have warned people about this for years, and look what's coming out now...
“Nobody Should Trust Wikipedia” – Co-founder of Wikipedia Larry Sanger
Of course, he's only coming out to say that because Wikipedia is cutting out large portions of conservative information right now, but what's ridiculous is that this has been happening for YEARS on a micro level. This site has been almost completely unreliable outside of getting VERY basic level information (like when someone lived and died) for many years, but only now is this starting to get made known because of the war that is going on right now against the deep state.
You cannot have any website that is built for education without bias. That's impossible because education in general implies morals, and moral standards have to come from faith. Someone has to run the site. Someone has to have the final say. Therefore, that someone WILL be biased, and public opinion is not education.
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What's New @ CLE / (ARTICLE) The Church is Not a Building
« on: July 09, 2021, 03:35:38 PM »
The Church is Not a Building
The Bible never uses the phrase "go to church" because that is impossible.
The Bible never uses the phrase "go to church" because that is impossible.
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What's New @ CLE / (ARTICLE) The Book of 2nd Corinthians: My Notes on Chapters 6-10
« on: July 02, 2021, 04:10:34 PM »
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General Discussion / COVID-19 VACCINE
« on: June 28, 2021, 10:14:45 AM »
I don't generally talk much about the vaccines because I have already done a detailed teaching series on it. I just want to make sure this is generally out there, in case someone comes to this forum and is reading and looking to find information because they do not understand the philosophy and truth behind vaccines.
This was an Ohio legislation meeting that was conducted recently about the Covid vaccine, and the speech is by Dr. Sherri Tenpenny. This will tell you all you need to know about the Covid jab:
If anyone wants to learn about the philosophy behind vaccines, and why they're dangerous, I have a full-length teaching on the subject:
The United Vacci-Nations
This was an Ohio legislation meeting that was conducted recently about the Covid vaccine, and the speech is by Dr. Sherri Tenpenny. This will tell you all you need to know about the Covid jab:
If anyone wants to learn about the philosophy behind vaccines, and why they're dangerous, I have a full-length teaching on the subject:
The United Vacci-Nations
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Wild Emails @ CLE / Deliverance Ministries Are Not of God
« on: June 25, 2021, 12:10:22 PM »
For those of you who don't have the context for this, I would recommend reading the following thread:
http://www.creationliberty.com/forum/index.php?topic=1392.msg11910#msg11910
This woman joined our forum on June 20, 2021, and then after she was banned, proceeded to write me the following emails:
MAY 24, 2021
MCKENNA FROM UTAH
(FOUR WEEKS BEFORE JOINING THE FORUM):
Do you know of or have an opinion on Deliverance Ministry
No.
JUNE 23, 2021
Just wanted to msg you and see why you have accused me?
Also wanted to know why I am banned?
Why do you think it isn't a big deal to prognosticate my "Great offense"
Oh, I see. I did not remember this email (from May 24th) because the person who wrote it (i.e. you) said nothing of themselves, and gave no details of what they were talking about, and so quick, vague questions get quick, vague responses. And furthermore, I got no response, which showed me that you had no intention to have a conversation, which confused me as to why you even bothered to write to me in the first place. Now that I see that it is you, and that you were asking about "Deliverance Ministry" all the puzzle pieces are fitting together. The phrase "deliverance ministry," as far as I understand it, is referring to the core concept of demonology, which is NOT biblical in any sense. (i.e. It is pagan mythology.) Furthermore, I decided to do a little bit of research on you after you just sent me this email, and you spend all your social media time involving yourself in political issues, not Biblical issues, which is a direct reflection on where you spend your time and study, and therefore, it is no wonder that you have no understanding on how to use or interpret Scripture, and our church and forum members could see something was wrong with what you were saying very quickly, even without that information, just by your communication alone.
That's because of what Jesus said:
But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
-Mat 15:18
Now I can see why you are hung up on the pagan "deliverance" garbage, and why you frequently use certain phrases like "prognosticate" and "speaking a spirit of doubt." Those are the things that the demonology religious cult has taught you, not what Scripture teaches. They convinced you of a false gospel, and you accepted it as "truth." However, because you have given all of us no indication you want to hear (i.e. understand) anything concerning that, then there is nothing more that I can do to help you.
Of course, on the way out, you spat back that I was not "delivered" (whatever that is supposed to mean), and so if I am not "delivered," why are you coming here to complain about being banned by an "undelivered" person? If you are of Jesus Christ, then why would that matter? Why don't you just let it go and walk away in peace?
First off,
Deliverance is the casting out of devils and the healing of the sick. This was 2/3 of Christ ministry as accounted for by Luke in the Book of acts. It isn't pagan deliverance, it is deliverance in Christ's name.
Secondly, I "spat" saying you need deliverance. You had made some pretty horrible accusations. While I was trying to understand what you were getting at, I remained hopeful and ready to receive your feedback. And I did receive your next reply, and it was really junked up with accusations.
I said you need deliverance because I really identified with Job, in Job 19
1Then Job answered and said,
2How long will ye vex my soul, and break me in pieces with words?
And Proverbs 4:23 says Guard your heart with all diligence.
If you peeked at my social media, you probably saw front and center Mark 16:17 "In my name they shall cast out devils"
I made myself quite vulnerable by sharing my story with you all. I'm also not in a demonology cult... I'm also not a pagan. I am a Christian. I have renounced Paganism. Truthfully, with the way you have communicated with me has made me suspicious of curses that may be over you. You seem quite vexed yourself, as evident in your replies and your accusations. You seem quite angry... What do you do, Christopher? Have you ever felt anger or sadness? Have you ever felt a black cloud over you? Do you acknowledge there is an existence of devils and witches? Just wondering.
I did give an indication I wanted to hear, when I gave you feedback. I told you I was feeling hopeful. What I didn't say was feeling hopeful.... That I would learn what you're saying. I am really wondering why you see to dislike what I said about perceptions...
Again, you are saying I am back here to "Complain". Where did you decide I was complaining? I just wanted 3 answers, and didn't expect a reply.
That is kind of a theme I see with you. You decide. You have decided. You decided who I am and what I am. And what my beliefs are. You decided what kind of person I am and You decided how I would feel about what you had to say. You decided.
I keep trying to ask you to stop deciding these things. To at least stop deciding them for me. You decided deliverance was pagan deliverance garbage. You decided I was in a demonology cult. You decided I don't want to hear you. You decided on the probability of "great offense" (Yet I'm still pressing in...) You decided my vocabulary was disingenuous. You decided I study on social media. You decided to visit my social media.
So I asked 3 questions, to which I did not really get direct answers to any of them. But from what I've gathered, you think I cannot interpret scripture? Just wondering
Also, When I emailed you initially, your answer was good enough. I didn't know you wanted a full on introduction and backstory. I didn't know you wanted me to reply either. You said no, and that was satisfactory. I wasn't aware you expected an entire conversation on the topic of deliverance. I may have pursued that route, but a simple "No" effectively answered my questions. I didn't know you were even open to any sort of conversation on email. Sorry!
Deliverance is the casting out of devils and the healing of the sick.
And that's all I needed to know from you. You jumped right out of the pagan frying pan and into the pagan fire. You have rejected the Gospel of Jesus Christ for pagan mythology, and you obviously don't want to hear anything about it from me. So, I hope you depart in peace, and have a great day.
What do you do, Christopher? Have you ever felt anger or sadness? Have you ever felt a black cloud over you? Do you acknowledge there is an existence of devils and witches? Just wondering.
I know, that's the problem. You are focused on your feelings and emotions; that is the foundation for your faith. Whereas the Word of God is the foundation of my faith, and that of our church. The difference is the willingness to reason out the truth, not blindly feel out what you want to believe.
Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
-Isa 1:18
And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?
-Luke 6:39
There is no place in Scripture that says your personal feelings are the foundation for deciding spiritual matters, but you don't want to hear otherwise. Therefore, I hope you depart in peace, and have a great day.
Do you acknowledge there is an existence of devils and witches? Just wondering.
Well, I have an entire website where I write about such topics. It's called creationliberty.com, and there is a search bar at the top right where you can find all sorts of information. I hope you depart in peace, and have a great day.
That is kind of a theme I see with you. You decide. You have decided. You decided who I am and what I am. And what my beliefs are. You decided what kind of person I am and You decided how I would feel about what you had to say. You decided. I keep trying to ask you to stop deciding these things. To at least stop deciding them for me. You decided deliverance was pagan deliverance garbage. You decided I was in a demonology cult. You decided I don't want to hear you. You decided on the probability of "great offense" (Yet I'm still pressing in...) You decided my vocabulary was disingenuous. You decided I study on social media. You decided to visit my social media.
I know McKenna; you hate having someone judge righteous judgment concerning the things you say and do. The Pharisees hated it when Jesus "decided" things about them as well. You wanted us to "decide" according to the appearance of yourself that you were painting with your words on the forum, which is why you were speaking in that awkward sanctimonious tone. But we saw through your false appearance and rebuked you. You hated that. That's because you hate righteous judgment and correction.
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
-John 7:24
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
-1Co 2:15
Correction is grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: and he that hateth reproof shall die.
-Pro 15:10
And you have no Biblical argument against it. The evidence is clear to see by what you write. That's why you are constantly ministering questions, rather than Biblical understanding.
Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
-1Ti 1:4
That's why you're so vague, and cherry-pick out pieces of a verse of Scripture, like you did with Mark 16:17, having no understanding of the context of that chapter. That's what you were taught to do by the deliverance cult because there is no Biblical argument for what they teach. That's why you avoid the Word of God when talking with us, and you don't want to hear it. Therefore, I hope you depart in peace, and have a great day.
So I asked 3 questions, to which I did not really get direct answers to any of them. But from what I've gathered, you think I cannot interpret scripture? Just wondering
Jesus Christ did not answer every question he was asked either.
This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
-John 8:6
That's because the Bible tells us not to answer the fool according to their own folly, otherwise, they will think themselves to be wise in their own imagined arrogance; being willingly ignorant that they have no repentance in their hearts.
Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
-Pro 26:5
So I prefer to answer the core foundation of a problem, but that's not what you want to hear. So, I hope you depart in peace, and have a great day.
When I emailed you initially, your answer was good enough.
Of course it was enough for you, and that's because you only wanted an opinion. You didn't care about the facts. So, I hope you depart in peace, and have a great day.
I wasn't aware you expected an entire conversation on the topic of deliverance.
You wrote an email to someone because you did NOT want to have a conversation? Okay. I hope you depart in peace, and have a great day.
Christopher,
I know you THINK I have jumped into the pagan fire. That's your perception. It doesn't match reality. Maybe no one has told you before, but your perception does not decide reality.
I didn't ask for an opinion from you. I asked if you had ever heard of deliverance ministry. You said no. You weren't giving me an opinionated No, you were giving me a factual no. And there you go again, deciding that I do not care about the facts.
And interesting you bring up a scripture about a fool. A fool cares more about his opinion than he does about coming to an understanding.
You love your opinion so much that you make your opinion reality! And anyone who deviates from the reality you enforce is a "pagan". You love your own opinion so much, you hate what I tried to tell you about perceptions. To you, there is only one perception. Your perception. That's what I'm getting from you, because your arguments are based on your opinions, not any facts.
I wrote an email asking two questions, and the two questions fulfilled their design when you said no. You really seem malcontented with whatever I say. Whatever the situation may be, for you, what I say isn't enough. It's too much. It's too vague. It's all decided by you.
None of this is effective communication. You're accusatory.
Oops, you decided what I think! When you said "I know that's the problem. You think..."
Christopher, you do not decide what I think. You also decided that I focus on feelings and emotions. You cannot decide what I focus on. You can have your opinions but you cannot say they are reality. Isn't that what a fool does?
"And you won't hear anything from me about it" There you go deciding again. Please stop deciding what I will hear! This isn't appropriate for a conversation or a debate. This isn't an appropriate thing to do. This is a childish thing to do. This shows me you do not know how to communicate. You cannot decide the things that are not for you to decide. You do not have a say, you do not have authority. You continue not to hear ME on this, and it makes me think you have been very manipulative.
Also, you were so enthused to continue to decide my reality that you still failed to directly answer the question! Do you ever engage in any spiritual warfare?
You cannot decide another's reality. You know, Jesus could perceive the thoughts of others. Jesus also healed the sick and cast out devils. In one argument, you can say "Jesus Decided" and in another, you call deliverance "pagan "deliverance" garbage". Aren't you blaspheming against the miracles of Christ who cast out devils and healed the sick?
If you think my tone is awkward, that is your opinion. If you think I was making a show of myself, that's your opinion. Your opinion does not magically become reality. I did reveal quite a bit about myself but to reveal my full story and include every iota of Grace from the providence of God would be quite a novella, and frankly, I don't have a penchant for writing long drawn out explanations or letters.
And there you go again, deciding "I have no understanding of scriptures". Your opinion on this is not reality. You seem very used to having opinions be accepted as reality. I tried to accept the feedback you had offered, but the way you were offering it was inappropriate. There is a way to perform feedback to ensure it is effective. If you had known how to give feedback properly, not with insults and invalidating statements, I may have learned quite a bit about what you have to say.
I see that you have compared yourself to Jesus, and me to Pharisees, again. When the Pharisees asked Jesus questions, he did not answer. Are you crucified with Jesus or is Jesus crucified with you? One distinguishable difference between the line of questions Jesus received and the questions I asked you is: I was not asking you questions to draw you out, to deceive you. I wasn't asking so I could sabotage you. I was asking those questions so I could have answers to those questions. Not to corner you. You already know that When I ask a question, A simple answer will do. Instead you have painted yourself like Jesus whose word in that moment was the difference between life and death of the woman.
Again, you have compared a Born-Again Christian to a Pharisee.
Well, I can't stop you from deciding everything. I still don't have an issue with much of your material. But I do have an issue with how you have been to me. I know I can't change your pattern of deciding.
Do not assume your perceptions are reality. God's perception is reality. You are playing God when you say your perceptions are reality. You are playing God when you decide what a person is thinking, focusing on, and feeling.
I was hoping I could find some answers to questions I had in my heart, but to enter into the Kingdom of Christopher Johnson, one must walk on eggshells.
Again, your material doesn't seem off, but your heart does.
I hope you cease communication with me in peace.
I hope you depart in peace, and have a great day.
END OF DISCUSSION
I have not yet read the last letter she sent me; I only copy and pasted it into this forum for you guys to read if you wanted. I knew that anything else she said was going to be a waste of my time. The only part I read was the last line she wrote in the letter, which was "I hope you cease communication with me in peace." Obviously, if you read the entire exchange, you can see that she wrote that out of spite. She was contacting me, not the other way around. She joined our forum, we didn't go join hers. She insisted on continuing to argue and debate; I was simply telling her that she should depart in peace because we are not like-minded in Christ. Thus, she said that last line with the intent to prop herself up, so she could seem like she was the one being pursued or persecuted; that was just to make herself feel better about herself, since her entire focus was on the emptions of her heart, rather than wanting to discuss the facts of Scripture.
He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.
-Pro 28:26
Just to clarify for all readers, anything coming out of the "deliverance" cults is very dangerous. It's pagan demonology that has nothing to do with Scripture. I do not yoke together with them in any sense, and neither does the rest of our church. I hope you all will take precautions with such people, and that McKenna would be an example for you all to see the corrupt fruit of the deliverance false doctrines.
http://www.creationliberty.com/forum/index.php?topic=1392.msg11910#msg11910
This woman joined our forum on June 20, 2021, and then after she was banned, proceeded to write me the following emails:
MAY 24, 2021
MCKENNA FROM UTAH
(FOUR WEEKS BEFORE JOINING THE FORUM):
Do you know of or have an opinion on Deliverance Ministry
No.
JUNE 23, 2021
Just wanted to msg you and see why you have accused me?
Also wanted to know why I am banned?
Why do you think it isn't a big deal to prognosticate my "Great offense"
Oh, I see. I did not remember this email (from May 24th) because the person who wrote it (i.e. you) said nothing of themselves, and gave no details of what they were talking about, and so quick, vague questions get quick, vague responses. And furthermore, I got no response, which showed me that you had no intention to have a conversation, which confused me as to why you even bothered to write to me in the first place. Now that I see that it is you, and that you were asking about "Deliverance Ministry" all the puzzle pieces are fitting together. The phrase "deliverance ministry," as far as I understand it, is referring to the core concept of demonology, which is NOT biblical in any sense. (i.e. It is pagan mythology.) Furthermore, I decided to do a little bit of research on you after you just sent me this email, and you spend all your social media time involving yourself in political issues, not Biblical issues, which is a direct reflection on where you spend your time and study, and therefore, it is no wonder that you have no understanding on how to use or interpret Scripture, and our church and forum members could see something was wrong with what you were saying very quickly, even without that information, just by your communication alone.
That's because of what Jesus said:
But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
-Mat 15:18
Now I can see why you are hung up on the pagan "deliverance" garbage, and why you frequently use certain phrases like "prognosticate" and "speaking a spirit of doubt." Those are the things that the demonology religious cult has taught you, not what Scripture teaches. They convinced you of a false gospel, and you accepted it as "truth." However, because you have given all of us no indication you want to hear (i.e. understand) anything concerning that, then there is nothing more that I can do to help you.
Of course, on the way out, you spat back that I was not "delivered" (whatever that is supposed to mean), and so if I am not "delivered," why are you coming here to complain about being banned by an "undelivered" person? If you are of Jesus Christ, then why would that matter? Why don't you just let it go and walk away in peace?
First off,
Deliverance is the casting out of devils and the healing of the sick. This was 2/3 of Christ ministry as accounted for by Luke in the Book of acts. It isn't pagan deliverance, it is deliverance in Christ's name.
Secondly, I "spat" saying you need deliverance. You had made some pretty horrible accusations. While I was trying to understand what you were getting at, I remained hopeful and ready to receive your feedback. And I did receive your next reply, and it was really junked up with accusations.
I said you need deliverance because I really identified with Job, in Job 19
1Then Job answered and said,
2How long will ye vex my soul, and break me in pieces with words?
And Proverbs 4:23 says Guard your heart with all diligence.
If you peeked at my social media, you probably saw front and center Mark 16:17 "In my name they shall cast out devils"
I made myself quite vulnerable by sharing my story with you all. I'm also not in a demonology cult... I'm also not a pagan. I am a Christian. I have renounced Paganism. Truthfully, with the way you have communicated with me has made me suspicious of curses that may be over you. You seem quite vexed yourself, as evident in your replies and your accusations. You seem quite angry... What do you do, Christopher? Have you ever felt anger or sadness? Have you ever felt a black cloud over you? Do you acknowledge there is an existence of devils and witches? Just wondering.
I did give an indication I wanted to hear, when I gave you feedback. I told you I was feeling hopeful. What I didn't say was feeling hopeful.... That I would learn what you're saying. I am really wondering why you see to dislike what I said about perceptions...
Again, you are saying I am back here to "Complain". Where did you decide I was complaining? I just wanted 3 answers, and didn't expect a reply.
That is kind of a theme I see with you. You decide. You have decided. You decided who I am and what I am. And what my beliefs are. You decided what kind of person I am and You decided how I would feel about what you had to say. You decided.
I keep trying to ask you to stop deciding these things. To at least stop deciding them for me. You decided deliverance was pagan deliverance garbage. You decided I was in a demonology cult. You decided I don't want to hear you. You decided on the probability of "great offense" (Yet I'm still pressing in...) You decided my vocabulary was disingenuous. You decided I study on social media. You decided to visit my social media.
So I asked 3 questions, to which I did not really get direct answers to any of them. But from what I've gathered, you think I cannot interpret scripture? Just wondering
Also, When I emailed you initially, your answer was good enough. I didn't know you wanted a full on introduction and backstory. I didn't know you wanted me to reply either. You said no, and that was satisfactory. I wasn't aware you expected an entire conversation on the topic of deliverance. I may have pursued that route, but a simple "No" effectively answered my questions. I didn't know you were even open to any sort of conversation on email. Sorry!
Deliverance is the casting out of devils and the healing of the sick.
And that's all I needed to know from you. You jumped right out of the pagan frying pan and into the pagan fire. You have rejected the Gospel of Jesus Christ for pagan mythology, and you obviously don't want to hear anything about it from me. So, I hope you depart in peace, and have a great day.
What do you do, Christopher? Have you ever felt anger or sadness? Have you ever felt a black cloud over you? Do you acknowledge there is an existence of devils and witches? Just wondering.
I know, that's the problem. You are focused on your feelings and emotions; that is the foundation for your faith. Whereas the Word of God is the foundation of my faith, and that of our church. The difference is the willingness to reason out the truth, not blindly feel out what you want to believe.
Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
-Isa 1:18
And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?
-Luke 6:39
There is no place in Scripture that says your personal feelings are the foundation for deciding spiritual matters, but you don't want to hear otherwise. Therefore, I hope you depart in peace, and have a great day.
Do you acknowledge there is an existence of devils and witches? Just wondering.
Well, I have an entire website where I write about such topics. It's called creationliberty.com, and there is a search bar at the top right where you can find all sorts of information. I hope you depart in peace, and have a great day.
That is kind of a theme I see with you. You decide. You have decided. You decided who I am and what I am. And what my beliefs are. You decided what kind of person I am and You decided how I would feel about what you had to say. You decided. I keep trying to ask you to stop deciding these things. To at least stop deciding them for me. You decided deliverance was pagan deliverance garbage. You decided I was in a demonology cult. You decided I don't want to hear you. You decided on the probability of "great offense" (Yet I'm still pressing in...) You decided my vocabulary was disingenuous. You decided I study on social media. You decided to visit my social media.
I know McKenna; you hate having someone judge righteous judgment concerning the things you say and do. The Pharisees hated it when Jesus "decided" things about them as well. You wanted us to "decide" according to the appearance of yourself that you were painting with your words on the forum, which is why you were speaking in that awkward sanctimonious tone. But we saw through your false appearance and rebuked you. You hated that. That's because you hate righteous judgment and correction.
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
-John 7:24
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
-1Co 2:15
Correction is grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: and he that hateth reproof shall die.
-Pro 15:10
And you have no Biblical argument against it. The evidence is clear to see by what you write. That's why you are constantly ministering questions, rather than Biblical understanding.
Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
-1Ti 1:4
That's why you're so vague, and cherry-pick out pieces of a verse of Scripture, like you did with Mark 16:17, having no understanding of the context of that chapter. That's what you were taught to do by the deliverance cult because there is no Biblical argument for what they teach. That's why you avoid the Word of God when talking with us, and you don't want to hear it. Therefore, I hope you depart in peace, and have a great day.
So I asked 3 questions, to which I did not really get direct answers to any of them. But from what I've gathered, you think I cannot interpret scripture? Just wondering
Jesus Christ did not answer every question he was asked either.
This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
-John 8:6
That's because the Bible tells us not to answer the fool according to their own folly, otherwise, they will think themselves to be wise in their own imagined arrogance; being willingly ignorant that they have no repentance in their hearts.
Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
-Pro 26:5
So I prefer to answer the core foundation of a problem, but that's not what you want to hear. So, I hope you depart in peace, and have a great day.
When I emailed you initially, your answer was good enough.
Of course it was enough for you, and that's because you only wanted an opinion. You didn't care about the facts. So, I hope you depart in peace, and have a great day.
I wasn't aware you expected an entire conversation on the topic of deliverance.
You wrote an email to someone because you did NOT want to have a conversation? Okay. I hope you depart in peace, and have a great day.
Christopher,
I know you THINK I have jumped into the pagan fire. That's your perception. It doesn't match reality. Maybe no one has told you before, but your perception does not decide reality.
I didn't ask for an opinion from you. I asked if you had ever heard of deliverance ministry. You said no. You weren't giving me an opinionated No, you were giving me a factual no. And there you go again, deciding that I do not care about the facts.
And interesting you bring up a scripture about a fool. A fool cares more about his opinion than he does about coming to an understanding.
You love your opinion so much that you make your opinion reality! And anyone who deviates from the reality you enforce is a "pagan". You love your own opinion so much, you hate what I tried to tell you about perceptions. To you, there is only one perception. Your perception. That's what I'm getting from you, because your arguments are based on your opinions, not any facts.
I wrote an email asking two questions, and the two questions fulfilled their design when you said no. You really seem malcontented with whatever I say. Whatever the situation may be, for you, what I say isn't enough. It's too much. It's too vague. It's all decided by you.
None of this is effective communication. You're accusatory.
Oops, you decided what I think! When you said "I know that's the problem. You think..."
Christopher, you do not decide what I think. You also decided that I focus on feelings and emotions. You cannot decide what I focus on. You can have your opinions but you cannot say they are reality. Isn't that what a fool does?
"And you won't hear anything from me about it" There you go deciding again. Please stop deciding what I will hear! This isn't appropriate for a conversation or a debate. This isn't an appropriate thing to do. This is a childish thing to do. This shows me you do not know how to communicate. You cannot decide the things that are not for you to decide. You do not have a say, you do not have authority. You continue not to hear ME on this, and it makes me think you have been very manipulative.
Also, you were so enthused to continue to decide my reality that you still failed to directly answer the question! Do you ever engage in any spiritual warfare?
You cannot decide another's reality. You know, Jesus could perceive the thoughts of others. Jesus also healed the sick and cast out devils. In one argument, you can say "Jesus Decided" and in another, you call deliverance "pagan "deliverance" garbage". Aren't you blaspheming against the miracles of Christ who cast out devils and healed the sick?
If you think my tone is awkward, that is your opinion. If you think I was making a show of myself, that's your opinion. Your opinion does not magically become reality. I did reveal quite a bit about myself but to reveal my full story and include every iota of Grace from the providence of God would be quite a novella, and frankly, I don't have a penchant for writing long drawn out explanations or letters.
And there you go again, deciding "I have no understanding of scriptures". Your opinion on this is not reality. You seem very used to having opinions be accepted as reality. I tried to accept the feedback you had offered, but the way you were offering it was inappropriate. There is a way to perform feedback to ensure it is effective. If you had known how to give feedback properly, not with insults and invalidating statements, I may have learned quite a bit about what you have to say.
I see that you have compared yourself to Jesus, and me to Pharisees, again. When the Pharisees asked Jesus questions, he did not answer. Are you crucified with Jesus or is Jesus crucified with you? One distinguishable difference between the line of questions Jesus received and the questions I asked you is: I was not asking you questions to draw you out, to deceive you. I wasn't asking so I could sabotage you. I was asking those questions so I could have answers to those questions. Not to corner you. You already know that When I ask a question, A simple answer will do. Instead you have painted yourself like Jesus whose word in that moment was the difference between life and death of the woman.
Again, you have compared a Born-Again Christian to a Pharisee.
Well, I can't stop you from deciding everything. I still don't have an issue with much of your material. But I do have an issue with how you have been to me. I know I can't change your pattern of deciding.
Do not assume your perceptions are reality. God's perception is reality. You are playing God when you say your perceptions are reality. You are playing God when you decide what a person is thinking, focusing on, and feeling.
I was hoping I could find some answers to questions I had in my heart, but to enter into the Kingdom of Christopher Johnson, one must walk on eggshells.
Again, your material doesn't seem off, but your heart does.
I hope you cease communication with me in peace.
I hope you depart in peace, and have a great day.
END OF DISCUSSION
I have not yet read the last letter she sent me; I only copy and pasted it into this forum for you guys to read if you wanted. I knew that anything else she said was going to be a waste of my time. The only part I read was the last line she wrote in the letter, which was "I hope you cease communication with me in peace." Obviously, if you read the entire exchange, you can see that she wrote that out of spite. She was contacting me, not the other way around. She joined our forum, we didn't go join hers. She insisted on continuing to argue and debate; I was simply telling her that she should depart in peace because we are not like-minded in Christ. Thus, she said that last line with the intent to prop herself up, so she could seem like she was the one being pursued or persecuted; that was just to make herself feel better about herself, since her entire focus was on the emptions of her heart, rather than wanting to discuss the facts of Scripture.
He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.
-Pro 28:26
Just to clarify for all readers, anything coming out of the "deliverance" cults is very dangerous. It's pagan demonology that has nothing to do with Scripture. I do not yoke together with them in any sense, and neither does the rest of our church. I hope you all will take precautions with such people, and that McKenna would be an example for you all to see the corrupt fruit of the deliverance false doctrines.
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« on: June 12, 2021, 04:26:26 PM »
Before reading this interaction, it would be good for you to get a context of what happened on this forum before these letters were written. You can read that thread here: http://www.creationliberty.com/forum/index.php?topic=1386.msg11828#msg11828
JEFF FROM TEXAS:
I have a question. I enjoyed the article on the Greek scam. And how these false teachers in these churches operate. I been knowing for many years that they are decievers. I would not go to any Church in this world to be honest. They are all corrupted or Apostate. The Church is very few. Millions are literally being decieved.
My question is to the Author of that article. The Greek Scam. I am curious to your point of view of the Earth and what the Bible says and what NASA says. Now let me clarify that NASA is part of this world and they have a serpent tongue logo. And many beleive them and their obvious CGI fakery. The Bible says the earth is stable and cannot be moved. It's also says God separated the waters above and below the firmament. So that would indicate water is above us. We have a solid firmament above us as the Bible says. We are being decieved on purpose and I really want to know where you stand on that. Are you with most of the decieved world or are you awake to the Spinning water ball scam?
I have a question. I enjoyed the article on the Greek scam. And how these false teachers in these churches operate. I been knowing for many years that they are decievers. I would not go to any Church in this world to be honest. They are all corrupted or Apostate. The Church is very few. Millions are literally being decieved.
I just saw your letter this afternoon. It did not appear to me until today for some reason. Just so we are clear, your childish tantrum on our forum yesterday led most of us (if not all of us) to believe that you are not part of that few.
Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
-1Co 14:20
I just want to make sure you understand that before I continue to respond to your inquiry. You have not provided me any evidence in your conversation so far that you are of Christ, and that is because you have indicated that you believe in a false, works-based doctrine, and you seem to be a product of "conspiracy ministries" (which are not really ministries of Christ), rather than prioritizing understanding of God's Word. If that is not the case, then you will have to show me something else besides what you have said and done so far.
My question is to the Author of that article. The Greek Scam.
That's me.
I am curious to your point of view of the Earth and what the Bible says and what NASA says.
As my mother used to say, "What does that have to do with the price of eggs in China?" Or in other words, you read a teaching exposing the fraud of the "Original Greek," and then move onto NASA conspiracies; two topics that have absolutely nothing to do with each other. If you cannot see the problem with that, I am not sure that I can help you with that; you may have to find someone else to help you.
Now let me clarify that NASA is part of this world and they have a serpent tongue logo. And many beleive them and their obvious CGI fakery. The Bible says the earth is stable and cannot be moved.
I know Jeff. I know what the "conspiracy ministries" teach. I know they teach you that the earth is stable and cannot move because they say that Psalm 93 says "the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved," and I know they took that completely out of its context for its meaning, and I know they completely ignore the verses that don't fit their narrative, such as:
The LORD reigneth; let the people tremble: he sitteth between the cherubims; let the earth be moved.
-Psa 99:1
And I know they don't want to hear the actual interpretation of those verses for understanding even though I would be happy to explain it to them if they would just ask, and I know they would just rather rail on and attack me personally because they hate correction, just like you did on our forum.
Correction is grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: and he that hateth reproof shall die.
-Pro 15:10
EVERY PERSON I have met over the past decade who believes like you do has acted EXACTLY the way you did on our forum. Rage. Hatred. Contention. I know Jeff. This is nothing new.
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
-Gal 5:19-21
No one in our church or forum community thinks that NASA is good, and we know they are scamming people, but one day, if God brings you to the humility of repentance, and then He gives you a good understanding to learn the truth of His Word, come back and reason together with us.
Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
-Isa 1:18
But for men who think they really "seek the truth," they have not been humbled to the godly sorrow of their wrongdoing, to know that no man really seeks after God, and that God has to come to them and give them understanding. You had no interest to know whether or not we teach the truth of Christ's Gospel, but rather, you wanted to know if we teach the truth about NASA... that speaks volumes about what you really hold as the foundation of your faith, and all I can say is that you and I do not worship the same God:
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes.
-Rom 3:10-18
It's also says God separated the waters above and below the firmament. So that would indicate water is above us. We have a solid firmament above us as the Bible says.
The Bible also says the world was covered with water in a flood. I guess nothing has changed since then, and we're all drowning and don't even realize it. (i.e. You hold the philosophy of uniformitarianism, which is an evolutionary worldview, but that's something I don't think you want to hear about right now.) That was a bit of sarcasm, but it was to demonstrate the point that things change, especially when it comes to the pre-flood world.
The Pre-Flood World
We are being decieved on purpose and I really want to know where you stand on that. Are you with most of the decieved world or are you awake to the Spinning water ball scam?
I stand with the Lord Jesus Christ. That's why I have a ministry to preach the truth of Christ, not to appease your personal whims. Have a great day.
Thanks for you reponse... you guys love to throw scripture around and don't even use it correctly. Its does matter what we live on and we have been lied to....this world is filled with with nothing but lies and the ball earth deception has brought many to Jesus. Including myself. Again you people ignore actual scriptures. You seem to only use scripture that benefits you...all scripture is truth and should be treated as such. You people are the rudest crew I have every witnessed. Yall continually put people down and accuse them of doing it. You are a very arrogant group of radicals. Claim you love Jesus and show no fruits. Very weird..
I have no idea what you mean when you say I believe in a works based doctrine. Here are a few scriptures on repentence and works together.
Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
Acts 26:19-20 KJV
Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision: But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and bring forth works worthy of repentence.
You are so involved in that one word repentance. I beleive that repentence is Godly sorrow. But it also means To change your mind. You cant pick and choose scripture for you and your self proclaimed teachings. You think you are wise but actually have no wisdom at all. If you are going to teach Gods word. Stop picking and choosing scriptures that benefit your agenda.
Faith without works is dead. There must be fruits/works if you are saved. We are still under the moral law. Although all ordinances were nailed to the cross.
We will still sin that's obvious. But to willfully continue to sin and say you Love Jesus Christ is a lie from satan. To continue to watch sports, movies, the news and listen to the trashy music and hang with Ungodly people there is no way you are saved. You accuse people of not being saved when yall are so arrogant.. a prideful crew of people. Self righteous. I have nothing agianst you guys but you are the ones not showing fruits of repentence.
this world is filled with with nothing but lies and the ball earth deception has brought many to Jesus. Including myself.
Oooh! Okay. That was the missing piece of the puzzle. Now I understand why you did not want to give your testimony of salvation, because you knew it would not match Scripture and the way the BIBLE says men are saved. I'll get to that in a moment, but I want to read the rest of your letter first.
Again you people ignore actual scriptures.
That's an interesting argument because I was giving you plenty of them to support everything I was telling you. However, once again, here we have a flat earth culter (and yes, it is a religious cult; even if it were true, it would still be a religious cult) who will not ASK what the interpretation of those Scriptures are, and that is because they do not care. (i.e. That is the general attitude of those who are in religious cults -- just blindly follow the party line, and ignore everything else.)
You seem to only use scripture that benefits you
You don't seem to quote any verses (i.e. you never once gave chapter and verse of Scripture on the forum, nor in your first letter to me, which tends to indicate someone who either doesn't know it or is lazy), so I would rather talk to someone (i.e. that claims to be a Christ) who quotes the Word of God than someone who quotes nothing. Tell me, who was it on the forum that said "faith without works is dead?"
Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
-James 2:18
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
-2Ti 2:15
So the very verse you were paraphrasing (instead of quoting), is the very verse I am now using. Therefore, if I am guilty of what you accused me of, then you are guilty of it too. So it is not that I use Scripture that "benefits [me]," but rather, I am using Scripture FOR YOUR SAKE. Now, if you do not want to hear the Word of God quoted to you because it is correcting your philosophy (i.e. way of thinking) and correcting your behavior, all you have to do is just say so and be straight-forward with me, but if that is the case, then that actually makes sense because, as I told you before, people who have forsaken the ways of God hate correction and reproof:
Correction is grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: and he that hateth reproof shall die.
-Pro 15:10
So, your statement sounds like projection. (i.e. You jump to accuse others of what you are guilty of doing.) Let's continue to read your letter, and see if you only use Scripture that "benefits you."
all scripture is truth and should be treated as such
That contradicts what you just said. Why are you not acknowledging the Scriptures I'm giving you as truth, and treating them as such? Why are you treating God's Word as if it is just for "my benefit?"
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
-2Ti 3:16
You people are the rudest crew I have every witnessed.
Again, that's projection (i.e. accusing others of what you are guilty of doing), or in other words, what the Bible calls "hypocrisy."
rude: rough, uneven, rugged, of coarse manners, unpolished, violent, fierce, harsh
(See 'rude', American Dictionary of the English Language, Noah Webster, 1828, retrieved June 12, 2021, [webstersdictionary1828.com])
A young lady, in response to your original post, gently asked you a few questions about yourself, and your first response to her said:
"Where is your love friend? You seem to lack it."
That is the very definition of rude, especially in your hypocritical use of the word 'friend'. Perhaps I should define hypocrite, since you are using the word 'rude' without understanding its meaning, I should not assume you understand what a hypocrite is either:
hypocrite: one who feigns to be what he is not; one who assumes a false appearance
(See 'hypocrite', American Dictionary of the English Language, Noah Webster, 1828, retrieved June 12, 2021, [webstersdictionary1828.com])
Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
-Mat 7:5
You hypocritically use the username "jesusistheway," when the truth is that your username should be "flatearthistheway." That would be much more open and honest. I'll get to that in a moment, but I want to address your letter one step at a time.
Yall continually put people down and accuse them of doing it.
You mean like how we're continually told we are "the rudest crew" you have ever witnessed, and then you accuse us of putting you down? That's called projection. That's what you're doing, and you are doing it without ANY concern for the judgments of God, without any fear of His oversight:
But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
-Mat 12:36
You are a very arrogant group of radicals.
More projection. When you're done "continually put[ting] people down," let's get to your Scriptural arguments.
Claim you love Jesus and show no fruits. Very weird
Yeah, it's very weird when someone does that. It's weird when a man, who takes no thought to what he says, writes things down quickly without consideration or proof reading, continually puts down those who take time to write out Scripture, explain it, put in links, color coding and others such things to make it easier to read and understand, along with someone like me, who has hundreds of free articles, free books, and hundreds of hours of free audio teachings over the past 12 years of ministry, are accused of "show[ing] no fruits." Hmm. It kinda sounds like projection.
Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
-James 2:18
If I am wrong, please, show me your ministry. Give me links so I can take a look at your fruit so you can show me a better example. I would like to take a look. I'll wait to hear back from you on that.
I have no idea what you mean when you say I believe in a works based doctrine.
That was already explained to you by two people on our forum who quoted your own words back to you. Without confidence that you are reading what is being said, I will explain it to you again.
In Scripture, repentance is part of salvation (i.e. obviously, alongside believing in the Lord Jesus Christ). If you do not understand those verses, I'll leave a link to a teaching where you can find it:
Is Repentance Part of Salvation?
That's why Jesus taught us to go out to the world and teach repentance and remission of sins:
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
-Luke 24:47
According to Biblical definitions, repentance means "grief and godly sorrow of one's wrongdoing" and remission means "forgiveness." What's amazing about the King James Bible is that it has a built-in dictionary for most of the words that it uses, and God defined repentance at the very beginning back in Genesis:
And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
-Gen 6:6
God defined repentance as "grief," which is the general definition of the word. Remember, you said:
"all scripture is truth and should be treated as such"
And later, you will say:
"You cant pick and choose scripture for you and your self proclaimed teachings."
So, let me show you another word in Scripture to cross reference what I just showed you:
contrite: broken-hearted for sin; deeply affected with grief and sorrow for having offended God
(See 'contrite', American Dictionary of the English Language, Noah Webster, 1828, retrieved June 12, 2021, [webstersdictionary1828.com])
So who does God save? Who does he draw close to? The Bible tells us:
The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.
-Psa 34:18
Did the Bible say that God draws nigh (i.e. close) to those who believe in a flat earth and saveth such as expose NASA? No, it did not. That is your personal "test of faith," but that is not the test of faith according to the Lord God. Those who are not humbled to repentance (i.e. godly sorrow for sins) are not saved.
But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
-James 4:6
Because we (who are on our forum and in our church) know these things, that is why we are very cautious of you because it was clear that, when you joined the forum, you had no intention or understanding to preach repentance and remission of sins (which is why you did not want to share your testimony with us), but rather, you are teaching flat-earth for the remission of sins, which is not what Christ taught us. A repeat-after-me "sinner's prayer" does not save a single soul.
So to address your statement (because those who do not want understanding have no interest in asking a question), you said:
"repentence has many definitions and uses. It can mean sorrow, but more so means to turn from you sin"
Therefore, you believe that the primary definition of repentance means "to turn from you[r] sin." So because repentance is part of salvation, you then believe you have to "turn from your sin" to be saved, and that is works doctrine. I hope the third explanation helps you understand this more clearly, however, since you switched your definition on the forum after you were called out on this contradiction, that provides me some evidence to suggest that you do understand what we said, but instead of confessing that you did not understand the matter, you are trying to deceive and lie to save face.
What is fascinating to me is that you were so interested in my article, "The 'Original Greek' Scam," but the problem is that it is the "Original Greek" people who are pushing the false narrative that 'repent' means "to turn from sin." That is not what the Bible teaches us. I would explain more to you on that matter, but I address most of that in the repentance article I linked above, which you are welcome to read and then get back with me to critique it if you would like.
Here are a few scriptures on repentence and works together.
Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
You forgot the reference at the end; it's Luke 3:8. Now, READ IT SLOWLY. This is not a keyword search game. You said it was Scripture about "repentance and works together," but it says, "bring forth fruits WORTHY OF repentance," meaning that those who have a foundation laid in them of godly sorrow for their sins, should bring forth fruits (i.e. works) that are reflective of that heart of humility. It does not say "bring forth works worthy of works" nor does it say "bring forth turning from sin worthy of turning from sin." That is just redundancy.
Acts 26:19-20 KJV
Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision: But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and bring forth works worthy of repentence.
Again, slow down and read it carefully. I know you have the capability to type in the word "repentance" into a keyword bible search engine (i.e. I can do that too), but we need to study it to understand it. It says that "they should repent (i.e. have godly sorrow of their wrongdoing in humility) AND turn to God." I would highly suggest reading the repentance teaching I linked above for you because I explain all of these Scriptures in there. If you believe that repentance means to turn from sin and turn to God, that means you believe this verse says "that they should turn from sin and turn to God and turn to God, and bring forth works (i.e. turning from sin and turning to God) worthy of turning from sin and turning to God." That is just redundant nonsense, and I will not accuse God of teaching us redundant nonsense. What this is teaching is that men should have godly sorrow for their sins, and turn to God, and then once they have done that, they should do works that are worthy of that humble, repentant heart.
You are so involved in that one word repentance.
Indeed I am, because it is important to me. God gave me repentance, and that is how I was saved.
In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
-2Ti 2:25
That is how all born again Christians are saved. Those who go through another method are NOT saved because they profess to be saved through another method that Jesus Christ did not give to us. So those who think they turn from their sin to be saved believe in a false works-based doctrine, and they are not saved.
For example, you said:
ball earth deception has brought many to Jesus. Including myself
Unless those people came to repentance for the remission of sins, they are not saved. So my foundation is repentance and faith in Christ for my salvation, but your foundation is flat-earth and faith in Christ. Our discernment for who is saved or not is based on who has come to repentance and faith in Christ, while your discerning factor is who believes in flat earth. Therefore, because your position has no basis in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, we have to conclude that you are not saved, and that you are preaching a false gospel because you have built a house upon the sand.
And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
-Mat 7:26-27
I beleive that repentence is Godly sorrow. But it also means To change your mind.
Now you are switching definitions again. Did you make a mistake? Did you lie to us? Did you not know anything about it until you did some keyword searching online after we addressed you on the matter? You have told us you believe 'repent' means "to turn from sin," then we pointed out your works doctrine, so you changed your tune and said you believe it was godly sorrow, but now you're trying to change it again to say it is a change of mind. Again, it is false doctrine which you have received from those who have no understanding of God's Word. I address all that in the teaching on repentance I linked above, and again, "turn from sin" and "change of mind" comes from the Greek grammar dictionaries, not from the King James Bible.
Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing. For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
-2Co 7:9-10
The opposite of the humility of repentance is pride. That is why I quoted James 4:6 to you earlier, and now I will quote it again along with more verses that follow it because it fascinating what you will find:
But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble. Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
-James 4:6-10
You cant pick and choose scripture for you and your self proclaimed teachings.
Neither can you, but as anyone can see, you ignored the Scriptures I gave you in my first letter (and on the forum) and you scorned at them instead, but as you can see, I addressed the Scriptures you gave to me. So who's the hypocrite here?
The heart of the righteous studieth to answer: but the mouth of the wicked poureth out evil things.
-Pro 15:28
A scorner loveth not one that reproveth him: neither will he go unto the wise.
-Pro 15:12
You think you are wise but actually have no wisdom at all.
I'll leave that to God to decide. That's why I rely on His words, and not my own words, whereas you rely on your own words and not on His words. That's why I spend so much time quoting Scripture, and why you seem to despise the fact that I do that.
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
-1Co 2:13
For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
-1Co 1:17
If you are going to teach Gods word. Stop picking and choosing scriptures that benefit your agenda.
You know what really made you angry about my first email response to you? This verse:
The LORD reigneth; let the people tremble: he sitteth between the cherubims; let the earth be moved.
-Psa 99:1
The flat earth community forgot to tell you about that one, didn't they? When you're ready to "stop picking and choosing Scriptures that benefit your agenda," let me know, and we can have a chat. Have a great day.
You guys sure enjoy writing down what we said and then attacking it with scriptures that have nothing to do with what we are talking about. I dont have time to sit and write down a bunch scripture and use it falsely agianst others because you are self righteousness. I never said we should not have Godly sorrow. Matter of fact thats what we should have in order to be saved. And to Recognize we are sinners agianst a Holy God.. But repent also has other meanings..and used for that purpose in the Bible. Do you really think God changed his mind when he repented. Absolutely not! He grieved/ repented because he had created us.
Do you watch TV Christopher? Do you watch Sports? Do you listen to worldly music? Or any music for that matter including main stream Christian? Are you on facebook Christopher? If you think Social media evil. It's all trash of this world. Every bit of it. Jesus said you cannot love the world and serve him. You cannot serve both. You have not said anything about giving up this world Christopher. You are good at throwing scripture around. But that's about it.
JESUS said many will be turned away by him because he never knew them. Do you think you are the only one that can interpret scripture? I refuse to sit here and right down every scritpture like some arrogant troll. Speaking for myself. Not you. I know what Gods word says.
I dont even think you realize just how arrogant and prideful you are Christopher and yes I will call you by your name. You used a definition on me of exaclty how you are, you and your band of prideful, self righteous, arrogant, egotistical band of hateful people...
It's funny how you call me an evolutionist when you believe the evolution lie of what the earth is...Dude do you not see the hypocrisy? I cannot believe you used they few scriptures on me that have nothing to do with fake outer space. It's a freemason/luciferian evolutionary lie...start reading you Bible correctly. You use the KJV and yet you called God the Creator liar. By saying I misinterpret scriptures about the earth. There are 100s of scripture on this earth buddy. It says we are on pillars Christopher. What does that mean? I already presented to you what a Firmament is. Its solid structure..lol Is You are will never convince me by telling me you can interpret those scriptures for me... lol The earth is stable and their is solid firmament above us...you are in the programmed world. And call God a liar by saying his scripture does not say what it says. How in the world do expect an awake person to beleive anything you say. When you condradict your own words. You somehow think you have this inside scoop on repentence. But called God q liar on his Creation. Give me a break dude....You sound like a freemason. Many of those in the apostate Church...matter of they have taken over the Churches all over world. ARE you a Mason Christopher? I may be wrong just asking.
Acts 26:19-20 KJV
Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision: But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and bring forth works worthy of repentence.
So Christopher..you are lashing out at me and saying God is not Redundant or something like... This scripture is clearly saying that there must be works worthy of your repentence... After you repent you must have works worthy of repentence...clear as day.
You can try all you want to make it say something else...lol But it says what it says
Listen Jeff, I've got work to do. It took me two hours to write that letter to you because I wanted to be charitable and take the time with you. You are spending probably about two minutes writing a response; I don't have time to keep this up. You obviously don't want to hear any of this and you don't care, so I won't waste my time anymore. I will simply repeat what I said, since you ignored it:
You know what really made you angry about my first email response to you? This verse:
The LORD reigneth; let the people tremble: he sitteth between the cherubims; let the earth be moved.
-Psa 99:1
The flat earth community forgot to tell you about that one, didn't they? When you're ready to "stop picking and choosing Scriptures that benefit your agenda," let me know, and we can have a chat. Have a great day.
END OF DISCUSSION
Of course, he is now spamming my inbox, which means I will likely have to block him after I give him a warning. I already know his type; they won't stop. They can't because their pride will not allow them to.
So, in short, he got caught giving the wrong definition of repentance, and then changed it four times. He said it was godly sorrow, then said it was turning from sin, then said it was changing of mind, and is now back to godly sorrow. This means he has no idea what he's talking about, but is unwilling to admit his own lack of understanding, meaning that pride is controlling his tongue, and that means we are not brethren with him. He has given us ZERO evidence that has has a repentant heart.
Of course, he also realized that I caught him in the fact that he would not ask any questions, which was said in the context of seeking understanding of a matter. So, instead of doing that, he put question marks on the end of sentences to ask LOADED questions, which means they are questions not designed to be answer because they have a built-in conclusion.
Do you watch TV Christopher?
Do you watch Sports?
Do you listen to worldly music?
Or any music for that matter including main stream Christian?
Are you on facebook Christopher?
Do you think you are the only one that can interpret scripture?
He did not want answers to these questions because all he had to do was go look some things up. You guys know I don't watch TV, I can't stand sports, I can't stand worldly music, and even have a book exposing the so-called "Christian" music industry (which is advertised on the front page of my website in clear view), and I got off of Facebook at the beginning of the year. He could have found this information easily if he did a little research on his own, but he did not want that information. He just wanted to believe these things about me so that way he had some reason to accuse me.
I refuse to sit here and right down every scritpture like some arrogant troll. Speaking for myself. Not you. I know what Gods word says.
See my point? He has no charity in his heart. What if I was unsaved? What if he understood the gospel of Christ and I did not? He will not even bother to explain it to me? This is standard operating procedure from those in the conspiracy cults because they don't really understand God's Word.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
-1Co 2:14
Because we asked him for his salvation testimony (which he still refuses to give), and because we rejected his gospel of "flat earth or you are lost" philosophy, he has called us prideful, self-righteous, arrogant, egotistical, and hateful. Notice that he never once quoted us and gave an example of how we were any of these things, like how we quoted him and proved the matter by his own words, but rather, he just says them. It's no different than a child who repeatedly says, "I know you are, but what am I?"
It's funny how you call me an evolutionist when you believe the evolution lie of what the earth is...
I never said he was an evolutionist. Read it carefully. I said he upholds a uniformitarian philosophy, which is the same as evolutionists uphold. Again, this is what I have experienced from EVERY flat earther I have run into.
He's so angry by that one verse I quoted to him in Psalm 99, and still, he won't ask me what it means. That's why I didn't explain to him anything about Psalm 93 or 99. All he had to do was ask me, but his unwillingness to do that simply demonstrates that he did not come here to learn anything.
Give me a break dude....You sound like a freemason. Many of those in the apostate Church...matter of they have taken over the Churches all over world. ARE you a Mason Christopher? I may be wrong just asking.
That was not a question. It was an accusation. He wants to believe it because, in his flat-earth cult, anyone who does not accept a flat earth is a freemason. He is completely unaware that I wrote a book exposing Freemasonry:
Freemasony: A Luciferian Beacon
I can't help someone like that, but I can document the conversation so you all can benefit from that discussion, and I hope that God gives Jeff as much mercy and longsuffering as He has given me.
JEFF FROM TEXAS:
I have a question. I enjoyed the article on the Greek scam. And how these false teachers in these churches operate. I been knowing for many years that they are decievers. I would not go to any Church in this world to be honest. They are all corrupted or Apostate. The Church is very few. Millions are literally being decieved.
My question is to the Author of that article. The Greek Scam. I am curious to your point of view of the Earth and what the Bible says and what NASA says. Now let me clarify that NASA is part of this world and they have a serpent tongue logo. And many beleive them and their obvious CGI fakery. The Bible says the earth is stable and cannot be moved. It's also says God separated the waters above and below the firmament. So that would indicate water is above us. We have a solid firmament above us as the Bible says. We are being decieved on purpose and I really want to know where you stand on that. Are you with most of the decieved world or are you awake to the Spinning water ball scam?
I have a question. I enjoyed the article on the Greek scam. And how these false teachers in these churches operate. I been knowing for many years that they are decievers. I would not go to any Church in this world to be honest. They are all corrupted or Apostate. The Church is very few. Millions are literally being decieved.
I just saw your letter this afternoon. It did not appear to me until today for some reason. Just so we are clear, your childish tantrum on our forum yesterday led most of us (if not all of us) to believe that you are not part of that few.
Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
-1Co 14:20
I just want to make sure you understand that before I continue to respond to your inquiry. You have not provided me any evidence in your conversation so far that you are of Christ, and that is because you have indicated that you believe in a false, works-based doctrine, and you seem to be a product of "conspiracy ministries" (which are not really ministries of Christ), rather than prioritizing understanding of God's Word. If that is not the case, then you will have to show me something else besides what you have said and done so far.
My question is to the Author of that article. The Greek Scam.
That's me.
I am curious to your point of view of the Earth and what the Bible says and what NASA says.
As my mother used to say, "What does that have to do with the price of eggs in China?" Or in other words, you read a teaching exposing the fraud of the "Original Greek," and then move onto NASA conspiracies; two topics that have absolutely nothing to do with each other. If you cannot see the problem with that, I am not sure that I can help you with that; you may have to find someone else to help you.
Now let me clarify that NASA is part of this world and they have a serpent tongue logo. And many beleive them and their obvious CGI fakery. The Bible says the earth is stable and cannot be moved.
I know Jeff. I know what the "conspiracy ministries" teach. I know they teach you that the earth is stable and cannot move because they say that Psalm 93 says "the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved," and I know they took that completely out of its context for its meaning, and I know they completely ignore the verses that don't fit their narrative, such as:
The LORD reigneth; let the people tremble: he sitteth between the cherubims; let the earth be moved.
-Psa 99:1
And I know they don't want to hear the actual interpretation of those verses for understanding even though I would be happy to explain it to them if they would just ask, and I know they would just rather rail on and attack me personally because they hate correction, just like you did on our forum.
Correction is grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: and he that hateth reproof shall die.
-Pro 15:10
EVERY PERSON I have met over the past decade who believes like you do has acted EXACTLY the way you did on our forum. Rage. Hatred. Contention. I know Jeff. This is nothing new.
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
-Gal 5:19-21
No one in our church or forum community thinks that NASA is good, and we know they are scamming people, but one day, if God brings you to the humility of repentance, and then He gives you a good understanding to learn the truth of His Word, come back and reason together with us.
Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
-Isa 1:18
But for men who think they really "seek the truth," they have not been humbled to the godly sorrow of their wrongdoing, to know that no man really seeks after God, and that God has to come to them and give them understanding. You had no interest to know whether or not we teach the truth of Christ's Gospel, but rather, you wanted to know if we teach the truth about NASA... that speaks volumes about what you really hold as the foundation of your faith, and all I can say is that you and I do not worship the same God:
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes.
-Rom 3:10-18
It's also says God separated the waters above and below the firmament. So that would indicate water is above us. We have a solid firmament above us as the Bible says.
The Bible also says the world was covered with water in a flood. I guess nothing has changed since then, and we're all drowning and don't even realize it. (i.e. You hold the philosophy of uniformitarianism, which is an evolutionary worldview, but that's something I don't think you want to hear about right now.) That was a bit of sarcasm, but it was to demonstrate the point that things change, especially when it comes to the pre-flood world.
The Pre-Flood World
We are being decieved on purpose and I really want to know where you stand on that. Are you with most of the decieved world or are you awake to the Spinning water ball scam?
I stand with the Lord Jesus Christ. That's why I have a ministry to preach the truth of Christ, not to appease your personal whims. Have a great day.
Thanks for you reponse... you guys love to throw scripture around and don't even use it correctly. Its does matter what we live on and we have been lied to....this world is filled with with nothing but lies and the ball earth deception has brought many to Jesus. Including myself. Again you people ignore actual scriptures. You seem to only use scripture that benefits you...all scripture is truth and should be treated as such. You people are the rudest crew I have every witnessed. Yall continually put people down and accuse them of doing it. You are a very arrogant group of radicals. Claim you love Jesus and show no fruits. Very weird..
I have no idea what you mean when you say I believe in a works based doctrine. Here are a few scriptures on repentence and works together.
Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
Acts 26:19-20 KJV
Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision: But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and bring forth works worthy of repentence.
You are so involved in that one word repentance. I beleive that repentence is Godly sorrow. But it also means To change your mind. You cant pick and choose scripture for you and your self proclaimed teachings. You think you are wise but actually have no wisdom at all. If you are going to teach Gods word. Stop picking and choosing scriptures that benefit your agenda.
Faith without works is dead. There must be fruits/works if you are saved. We are still under the moral law. Although all ordinances were nailed to the cross.
We will still sin that's obvious. But to willfully continue to sin and say you Love Jesus Christ is a lie from satan. To continue to watch sports, movies, the news and listen to the trashy music and hang with Ungodly people there is no way you are saved. You accuse people of not being saved when yall are so arrogant.. a prideful crew of people. Self righteous. I have nothing agianst you guys but you are the ones not showing fruits of repentence.
this world is filled with with nothing but lies and the ball earth deception has brought many to Jesus. Including myself.
Oooh! Okay. That was the missing piece of the puzzle. Now I understand why you did not want to give your testimony of salvation, because you knew it would not match Scripture and the way the BIBLE says men are saved. I'll get to that in a moment, but I want to read the rest of your letter first.
Again you people ignore actual scriptures.
That's an interesting argument because I was giving you plenty of them to support everything I was telling you. However, once again, here we have a flat earth culter (and yes, it is a religious cult; even if it were true, it would still be a religious cult) who will not ASK what the interpretation of those Scriptures are, and that is because they do not care. (i.e. That is the general attitude of those who are in religious cults -- just blindly follow the party line, and ignore everything else.)
You seem to only use scripture that benefits you
You don't seem to quote any verses (i.e. you never once gave chapter and verse of Scripture on the forum, nor in your first letter to me, which tends to indicate someone who either doesn't know it or is lazy), so I would rather talk to someone (i.e. that claims to be a Christ) who quotes the Word of God than someone who quotes nothing. Tell me, who was it on the forum that said "faith without works is dead?"
Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
-James 2:18
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
-2Ti 2:15
So the very verse you were paraphrasing (instead of quoting), is the very verse I am now using. Therefore, if I am guilty of what you accused me of, then you are guilty of it too. So it is not that I use Scripture that "benefits [me]," but rather, I am using Scripture FOR YOUR SAKE. Now, if you do not want to hear the Word of God quoted to you because it is correcting your philosophy (i.e. way of thinking) and correcting your behavior, all you have to do is just say so and be straight-forward with me, but if that is the case, then that actually makes sense because, as I told you before, people who have forsaken the ways of God hate correction and reproof:
Correction is grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: and he that hateth reproof shall die.
-Pro 15:10
So, your statement sounds like projection. (i.e. You jump to accuse others of what you are guilty of doing.) Let's continue to read your letter, and see if you only use Scripture that "benefits you."
all scripture is truth and should be treated as such
That contradicts what you just said. Why are you not acknowledging the Scriptures I'm giving you as truth, and treating them as such? Why are you treating God's Word as if it is just for "my benefit?"
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
-2Ti 3:16
You people are the rudest crew I have every witnessed.
Again, that's projection (i.e. accusing others of what you are guilty of doing), or in other words, what the Bible calls "hypocrisy."
rude: rough, uneven, rugged, of coarse manners, unpolished, violent, fierce, harsh
(See 'rude', American Dictionary of the English Language, Noah Webster, 1828, retrieved June 12, 2021, [webstersdictionary1828.com])
A young lady, in response to your original post, gently asked you a few questions about yourself, and your first response to her said:
"Where is your love friend? You seem to lack it."
That is the very definition of rude, especially in your hypocritical use of the word 'friend'. Perhaps I should define hypocrite, since you are using the word 'rude' without understanding its meaning, I should not assume you understand what a hypocrite is either:
hypocrite: one who feigns to be what he is not; one who assumes a false appearance
(See 'hypocrite', American Dictionary of the English Language, Noah Webster, 1828, retrieved June 12, 2021, [webstersdictionary1828.com])
Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
-Mat 7:5
You hypocritically use the username "jesusistheway," when the truth is that your username should be "flatearthistheway." That would be much more open and honest. I'll get to that in a moment, but I want to address your letter one step at a time.
Yall continually put people down and accuse them of doing it.
You mean like how we're continually told we are "the rudest crew" you have ever witnessed, and then you accuse us of putting you down? That's called projection. That's what you're doing, and you are doing it without ANY concern for the judgments of God, without any fear of His oversight:
But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
-Mat 12:36
You are a very arrogant group of radicals.
More projection. When you're done "continually put[ting] people down," let's get to your Scriptural arguments.
Claim you love Jesus and show no fruits. Very weird
Yeah, it's very weird when someone does that. It's weird when a man, who takes no thought to what he says, writes things down quickly without consideration or proof reading, continually puts down those who take time to write out Scripture, explain it, put in links, color coding and others such things to make it easier to read and understand, along with someone like me, who has hundreds of free articles, free books, and hundreds of hours of free audio teachings over the past 12 years of ministry, are accused of "show[ing] no fruits." Hmm. It kinda sounds like projection.
Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
-James 2:18
If I am wrong, please, show me your ministry. Give me links so I can take a look at your fruit so you can show me a better example. I would like to take a look. I'll wait to hear back from you on that.
I have no idea what you mean when you say I believe in a works based doctrine.
That was already explained to you by two people on our forum who quoted your own words back to you. Without confidence that you are reading what is being said, I will explain it to you again.
In Scripture, repentance is part of salvation (i.e. obviously, alongside believing in the Lord Jesus Christ). If you do not understand those verses, I'll leave a link to a teaching where you can find it:
Is Repentance Part of Salvation?
That's why Jesus taught us to go out to the world and teach repentance and remission of sins:
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
-Luke 24:47
According to Biblical definitions, repentance means "grief and godly sorrow of one's wrongdoing" and remission means "forgiveness." What's amazing about the King James Bible is that it has a built-in dictionary for most of the words that it uses, and God defined repentance at the very beginning back in Genesis:
And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
-Gen 6:6
God defined repentance as "grief," which is the general definition of the word. Remember, you said:
"all scripture is truth and should be treated as such"
And later, you will say:
"You cant pick and choose scripture for you and your self proclaimed teachings."
So, let me show you another word in Scripture to cross reference what I just showed you:
contrite: broken-hearted for sin; deeply affected with grief and sorrow for having offended God
(See 'contrite', American Dictionary of the English Language, Noah Webster, 1828, retrieved June 12, 2021, [webstersdictionary1828.com])
So who does God save? Who does he draw close to? The Bible tells us:
The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.
-Psa 34:18
Did the Bible say that God draws nigh (i.e. close) to those who believe in a flat earth and saveth such as expose NASA? No, it did not. That is your personal "test of faith," but that is not the test of faith according to the Lord God. Those who are not humbled to repentance (i.e. godly sorrow for sins) are not saved.
But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
-James 4:6
Because we (who are on our forum and in our church) know these things, that is why we are very cautious of you because it was clear that, when you joined the forum, you had no intention or understanding to preach repentance and remission of sins (which is why you did not want to share your testimony with us), but rather, you are teaching flat-earth for the remission of sins, which is not what Christ taught us. A repeat-after-me "sinner's prayer" does not save a single soul.
So to address your statement (because those who do not want understanding have no interest in asking a question), you said:
"repentence has many definitions and uses. It can mean sorrow, but more so means to turn from you sin"
Therefore, you believe that the primary definition of repentance means "to turn from you[r] sin." So because repentance is part of salvation, you then believe you have to "turn from your sin" to be saved, and that is works doctrine. I hope the third explanation helps you understand this more clearly, however, since you switched your definition on the forum after you were called out on this contradiction, that provides me some evidence to suggest that you do understand what we said, but instead of confessing that you did not understand the matter, you are trying to deceive and lie to save face.
What is fascinating to me is that you were so interested in my article, "The 'Original Greek' Scam," but the problem is that it is the "Original Greek" people who are pushing the false narrative that 'repent' means "to turn from sin." That is not what the Bible teaches us. I would explain more to you on that matter, but I address most of that in the repentance article I linked above, which you are welcome to read and then get back with me to critique it if you would like.
Here are a few scriptures on repentence and works together.
Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
You forgot the reference at the end; it's Luke 3:8. Now, READ IT SLOWLY. This is not a keyword search game. You said it was Scripture about "repentance and works together," but it says, "bring forth fruits WORTHY OF repentance," meaning that those who have a foundation laid in them of godly sorrow for their sins, should bring forth fruits (i.e. works) that are reflective of that heart of humility. It does not say "bring forth works worthy of works" nor does it say "bring forth turning from sin worthy of turning from sin." That is just redundancy.
Acts 26:19-20 KJV
Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision: But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and bring forth works worthy of repentence.
Again, slow down and read it carefully. I know you have the capability to type in the word "repentance" into a keyword bible search engine (i.e. I can do that too), but we need to study it to understand it. It says that "they should repent (i.e. have godly sorrow of their wrongdoing in humility) AND turn to God." I would highly suggest reading the repentance teaching I linked above for you because I explain all of these Scriptures in there. If you believe that repentance means to turn from sin and turn to God, that means you believe this verse says "that they should turn from sin and turn to God and turn to God, and bring forth works (i.e. turning from sin and turning to God) worthy of turning from sin and turning to God." That is just redundant nonsense, and I will not accuse God of teaching us redundant nonsense. What this is teaching is that men should have godly sorrow for their sins, and turn to God, and then once they have done that, they should do works that are worthy of that humble, repentant heart.
You are so involved in that one word repentance.
Indeed I am, because it is important to me. God gave me repentance, and that is how I was saved.
In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
-2Ti 2:25
That is how all born again Christians are saved. Those who go through another method are NOT saved because they profess to be saved through another method that Jesus Christ did not give to us. So those who think they turn from their sin to be saved believe in a false works-based doctrine, and they are not saved.
For example, you said:
ball earth deception has brought many to Jesus. Including myself
Unless those people came to repentance for the remission of sins, they are not saved. So my foundation is repentance and faith in Christ for my salvation, but your foundation is flat-earth and faith in Christ. Our discernment for who is saved or not is based on who has come to repentance and faith in Christ, while your discerning factor is who believes in flat earth. Therefore, because your position has no basis in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, we have to conclude that you are not saved, and that you are preaching a false gospel because you have built a house upon the sand.
And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
-Mat 7:26-27
I beleive that repentence is Godly sorrow. But it also means To change your mind.
Now you are switching definitions again. Did you make a mistake? Did you lie to us? Did you not know anything about it until you did some keyword searching online after we addressed you on the matter? You have told us you believe 'repent' means "to turn from sin," then we pointed out your works doctrine, so you changed your tune and said you believe it was godly sorrow, but now you're trying to change it again to say it is a change of mind. Again, it is false doctrine which you have received from those who have no understanding of God's Word. I address all that in the teaching on repentance I linked above, and again, "turn from sin" and "change of mind" comes from the Greek grammar dictionaries, not from the King James Bible.
Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing. For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
-2Co 7:9-10
The opposite of the humility of repentance is pride. That is why I quoted James 4:6 to you earlier, and now I will quote it again along with more verses that follow it because it fascinating what you will find:
But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble. Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
-James 4:6-10
You cant pick and choose scripture for you and your self proclaimed teachings.
Neither can you, but as anyone can see, you ignored the Scriptures I gave you in my first letter (and on the forum) and you scorned at them instead, but as you can see, I addressed the Scriptures you gave to me. So who's the hypocrite here?
The heart of the righteous studieth to answer: but the mouth of the wicked poureth out evil things.
-Pro 15:28
A scorner loveth not one that reproveth him: neither will he go unto the wise.
-Pro 15:12
You think you are wise but actually have no wisdom at all.
I'll leave that to God to decide. That's why I rely on His words, and not my own words, whereas you rely on your own words and not on His words. That's why I spend so much time quoting Scripture, and why you seem to despise the fact that I do that.
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
-1Co 2:13
For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
-1Co 1:17
If you are going to teach Gods word. Stop picking and choosing scriptures that benefit your agenda.
You know what really made you angry about my first email response to you? This verse:
The LORD reigneth; let the people tremble: he sitteth between the cherubims; let the earth be moved.
-Psa 99:1
The flat earth community forgot to tell you about that one, didn't they? When you're ready to "stop picking and choosing Scriptures that benefit your agenda," let me know, and we can have a chat. Have a great day.
You guys sure enjoy writing down what we said and then attacking it with scriptures that have nothing to do with what we are talking about. I dont have time to sit and write down a bunch scripture and use it falsely agianst others because you are self righteousness. I never said we should not have Godly sorrow. Matter of fact thats what we should have in order to be saved. And to Recognize we are sinners agianst a Holy God.. But repent also has other meanings..and used for that purpose in the Bible. Do you really think God changed his mind when he repented. Absolutely not! He grieved/ repented because he had created us.
Do you watch TV Christopher? Do you watch Sports? Do you listen to worldly music? Or any music for that matter including main stream Christian? Are you on facebook Christopher? If you think Social media evil. It's all trash of this world. Every bit of it. Jesus said you cannot love the world and serve him. You cannot serve both. You have not said anything about giving up this world Christopher. You are good at throwing scripture around. But that's about it.
JESUS said many will be turned away by him because he never knew them. Do you think you are the only one that can interpret scripture? I refuse to sit here and right down every scritpture like some arrogant troll. Speaking for myself. Not you. I know what Gods word says.
I dont even think you realize just how arrogant and prideful you are Christopher and yes I will call you by your name. You used a definition on me of exaclty how you are, you and your band of prideful, self righteous, arrogant, egotistical band of hateful people...
It's funny how you call me an evolutionist when you believe the evolution lie of what the earth is...Dude do you not see the hypocrisy? I cannot believe you used they few scriptures on me that have nothing to do with fake outer space. It's a freemason/luciferian evolutionary lie...start reading you Bible correctly. You use the KJV and yet you called God the Creator liar. By saying I misinterpret scriptures about the earth. There are 100s of scripture on this earth buddy. It says we are on pillars Christopher. What does that mean? I already presented to you what a Firmament is. Its solid structure..lol Is You are will never convince me by telling me you can interpret those scriptures for me... lol The earth is stable and their is solid firmament above us...you are in the programmed world. And call God a liar by saying his scripture does not say what it says. How in the world do expect an awake person to beleive anything you say. When you condradict your own words. You somehow think you have this inside scoop on repentence. But called God q liar on his Creation. Give me a break dude....You sound like a freemason. Many of those in the apostate Church...matter of they have taken over the Churches all over world. ARE you a Mason Christopher? I may be wrong just asking.
Acts 26:19-20 KJV
Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision: But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and bring forth works worthy of repentence.
So Christopher..you are lashing out at me and saying God is not Redundant or something like... This scripture is clearly saying that there must be works worthy of your repentence... After you repent you must have works worthy of repentence...clear as day.
You can try all you want to make it say something else...lol But it says what it says
Listen Jeff, I've got work to do. It took me two hours to write that letter to you because I wanted to be charitable and take the time with you. You are spending probably about two minutes writing a response; I don't have time to keep this up. You obviously don't want to hear any of this and you don't care, so I won't waste my time anymore. I will simply repeat what I said, since you ignored it:
You know what really made you angry about my first email response to you? This verse:
The LORD reigneth; let the people tremble: he sitteth between the cherubims; let the earth be moved.
-Psa 99:1
The flat earth community forgot to tell you about that one, didn't they? When you're ready to "stop picking and choosing Scriptures that benefit your agenda," let me know, and we can have a chat. Have a great day.
END OF DISCUSSION
Of course, he is now spamming my inbox, which means I will likely have to block him after I give him a warning. I already know his type; they won't stop. They can't because their pride will not allow them to.
So, in short, he got caught giving the wrong definition of repentance, and then changed it four times. He said it was godly sorrow, then said it was turning from sin, then said it was changing of mind, and is now back to godly sorrow. This means he has no idea what he's talking about, but is unwilling to admit his own lack of understanding, meaning that pride is controlling his tongue, and that means we are not brethren with him. He has given us ZERO evidence that has has a repentant heart.
Of course, he also realized that I caught him in the fact that he would not ask any questions, which was said in the context of seeking understanding of a matter. So, instead of doing that, he put question marks on the end of sentences to ask LOADED questions, which means they are questions not designed to be answer because they have a built-in conclusion.
Do you watch TV Christopher?
Do you watch Sports?
Do you listen to worldly music?
Or any music for that matter including main stream Christian?
Are you on facebook Christopher?
Do you think you are the only one that can interpret scripture?
He did not want answers to these questions because all he had to do was go look some things up. You guys know I don't watch TV, I can't stand sports, I can't stand worldly music, and even have a book exposing the so-called "Christian" music industry (which is advertised on the front page of my website in clear view), and I got off of Facebook at the beginning of the year. He could have found this information easily if he did a little research on his own, but he did not want that information. He just wanted to believe these things about me so that way he had some reason to accuse me.
I refuse to sit here and right down every scritpture like some arrogant troll. Speaking for myself. Not you. I know what Gods word says.
See my point? He has no charity in his heart. What if I was unsaved? What if he understood the gospel of Christ and I did not? He will not even bother to explain it to me? This is standard operating procedure from those in the conspiracy cults because they don't really understand God's Word.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
-1Co 2:14
Because we asked him for his salvation testimony (which he still refuses to give), and because we rejected his gospel of "flat earth or you are lost" philosophy, he has called us prideful, self-righteous, arrogant, egotistical, and hateful. Notice that he never once quoted us and gave an example of how we were any of these things, like how we quoted him and proved the matter by his own words, but rather, he just says them. It's no different than a child who repeatedly says, "I know you are, but what am I?"
It's funny how you call me an evolutionist when you believe the evolution lie of what the earth is...
I never said he was an evolutionist. Read it carefully. I said he upholds a uniformitarian philosophy, which is the same as evolutionists uphold. Again, this is what I have experienced from EVERY flat earther I have run into.
He's so angry by that one verse I quoted to him in Psalm 99, and still, he won't ask me what it means. That's why I didn't explain to him anything about Psalm 93 or 99. All he had to do was ask me, but his unwillingness to do that simply demonstrates that he did not come here to learn anything.
Give me a break dude....You sound like a freemason. Many of those in the apostate Church...matter of they have taken over the Churches all over world. ARE you a Mason Christopher? I may be wrong just asking.
That was not a question. It was an accusation. He wants to believe it because, in his flat-earth cult, anyone who does not accept a flat earth is a freemason. He is completely unaware that I wrote a book exposing Freemasonry:
Freemasony: A Luciferian Beacon
I can't help someone like that, but I can document the conversation so you all can benefit from that discussion, and I hope that God gives Jeff as much mercy and longsuffering as He has given me.
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