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What's New @ CLE / Re: (DISCUSSION) #015 Trump & 501c3
« on: May 20, 2017, 10:33:23 PM »
Christopher Johnson​Starting in 10 minutes...

Christopher Johnson​Starting in 5 minutes..

Christopher Johnson​Starting in 2 minutes...

Maureen L​hello


anvilhauler engineering​Hi All

Cathi Jennex​hello

HaleFPV​Well said

james skovorodin​Hello

Maureen L​free Masons are not the problem they searve the problem

Christine Carroll​Hello!

james skovorodin​Respecters of persons

anvilhauler engineering​LOL "pastors"

Christine Carroll​Hahahahaha!!!

anvilhauler engineering​Regular "churches", a.k.a. the zombie apocalypse

Christopher Johnson​lol

anvilhauler engineering​I've listened to it lots of times too

Niganor​What are your thoughts on reverend David Wilkerson?


Niganor​When we are exposed through the light of his word, we will always question ourselves, the testimony of the lord is rebuke and chastening to true believers, born again believers.

anvilhauler engineering​Anyone right with God won't allow a title such as "Reverend" to be attached to them. There are no titles in God's church.

anvilhauler engineering​That is the good thing about CLE, it is a level playing ground.

Alex Perrier​Hello brothers and sisters.

anvilhauler engineering​Hi Alex

Christine Carroll​“And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:” Acts 17:30

Alex Perrier​"5. What is the benefit of a tax receipt? For most people, it amounts to approximately 30% refund of the amountdonated. You simply claim the amount donated when you file yourincome tax return."

Alex Perrier​This is a Canadian charity megachurch.

Alex Perrier​By the way, "We Pray" is a song by the National Day of Prayer. It featured BarlowGirl and a few other Fervent Records (Warner Brothers) artists. A free link is available.

Alex Perrier​Same thing with marriage re: contracts. 😞

anvilhauler engineering​LOL National Day of Prayer

Christine Carroll​Separate church and state.

Alex Perrier​Amen, Christine.

Christine Carroll​Yes! 7th President was Andrew Jackson.

Christine Carroll​Yes! Amen, Alex!

Christine Carroll​Where were the Preachers when cannabis was made illegal?

Fuzzy Counsellor​1 john 2:19

Christine Carroll​You are welcome, Christopher!

HaleFPV​Mat 22:6, Rom 9:27, Rom 11:5, Rev 11:13, Rev 12:17, Rev 19:21

HaleFPV​the remnant

Christine Carroll​Billions of false christ's

HaleFPV​Great discussion! Thanks to everyone

Christine Carroll​Hahahahahahaha!!

What's New @ CLE / (DISCUSSION) #015 Trump & 501c3
« on: May 20, 2017, 10:28:10 PM »

Science / Re: That Shroud
« on: May 20, 2017, 12:00:13 PM »
That may be another good point about the graven image; that if we are not to make them to ourselves to worship, then God would not make them either. I had a guy write me complaining about the Shroud a couple months ago, but I didn't waste any time with him because he start arguing a bunch of technical scientific points he found on wikipedia, and completely ignored Scripture, so that told me he's just someone playing church.

Introduce Yourself / Re: Greetings from Washington (state)
« on: May 18, 2017, 05:11:18 PM »
It's possible that I taught it the wrong way... or... maybe I was right and I'm thinking about it wrong now? I can't remember. It's been a long time. Love and charity can be used in the same context because charity is a form of love (i.e. keeping the commandments of God), but love can be also be used exclusively outside of charity depending on the contextual definition. So it depends on what's being discussed.

James's last comment jogged my memory. I totally forgot that I taught that, I haven't thought about it in a while. That actually makes sense now that I think about it because the Scripture does point out charity in some odd ways unless you look at it as a way of thinking.

Introduce Yourself / Re: Greetings from Washington (state)
« on: May 18, 2017, 12:28:47 PM »
Maybe I've forgotten, but I thought I said charity and love were different, but are foundational to one another; meaning you can't have one without the other.

Introduce Yourself / Re: Greetings from Washington (state)
« on: May 18, 2017, 02:22:34 AM »
I don't want to draw conclusions too soon, but I like this guy.

General Discussion / Re: Right To Die & Stephen Hawking
« on: May 16, 2017, 12:12:05 PM »
Very good point.

What's New @ CLE / (VIDEO) The Truth About Feminism pt. 18
« on: May 15, 2017, 04:44:33 PM »

What's New @ CLE / No Study on May 21st (2017)
« on: May 15, 2017, 02:03:04 PM »
As I had stated before, my intention was to take two weeks off, not just one. It just happened to work out this way because I had forgotten to prepare for last week's teaching, so I had to cancel it. I was planning to take off time after the feminism teaching was over, so now that I've finished it, we will resume teachings again on May 28th.

General Discussion / Re: Should People Have A Right To Die?
« on: May 15, 2017, 02:58:22 AM »
It depends on who's paying for it. If the government gets involved, they will NEVER answer the moral question. It will always be a question of property, and in this instance, since the afflicted cannot answer for him/her self, it simply comes down to who is paying for it. If it's tax payer dollars, then you have to pull the plug. If anyone has any questions about why I've said that, or I didn't explain it clearly enough, let me know.

Cathi Jennex​can't wait 😀😀😀😀

Cathi Jennex​you know how the Bible says that your enemies would be of your own household? that's me...prayers would be very welcome:(

Cathi Jennex​I live with a feminist " head" of the house jehovah witness....long story....please pray for me...

Cathi Jennex​I need to get out of here 😟😟😟😟😟

anvilhauler engineering​__ Hi Cathi. If you join the CLE forum it would be a lot easier for us to be in touch with you re the issues you are facing.

Cathi Jennex​.pray that God would make a way where there seems to be no way

Cathi Jennex​ok..thanks anvil hauler engineering

anvilhauler engineering​Even though we go through real hardships, He does make a way where there is no way. I'm living proof of that.

Cathi Jennex​thank you..that's very encouraging

anvilhauler engineering​Evolution is a functional impairment. Maybe they got the two confused.

Psxpert Sylph​Hi all

anvilhauler engineering​Hi eric

Psxpert Sylph​topic?

anvilhauler engineering​Typo Eric

Psxpert Sylph​what is the subject?

Virtuous Desires​Hi Eric and Kevin!

Psxpert Sylph​hey V. D.

Cathi Jennex​hi psxpert sylph

anvilhauler engineering​Psychologists attacking the real Christians a.k.a. life as usual.

Psxpert Sylph​science is the study of everything around u

anvilhauler engineering​evolutionism doesn't line up with science.

Psxpert Sylph​you can have science in everything

Psxpert Sylph​"the science of boxing"

Psxpert Sylph​"understanding cooking at a Scientific level"

Virtuous Desires​the science of pressure canning!

Psxpert Sylph​... and Evolution is NOT science, LOL... its a religion

anvilhauler engineering​LOL Evolution doesn't have ANY scientific answers.

Psxpert Sylph​they want too... those guys just keep inventing more unproven theories that cant be proven

Psxpert Sylph​it's less study and MORE imagination

HaleFPV​Most of what people call science is just science fiction.

anvilhauler engineering​The answers are whatever they want them to be.

Psxpert Sylph​the truth isn't what causes bad doctrine, it's the leaven

Psxpert Sylph​"beware the leaven of the pheracies"

anvilhauler engineering​Stephen Hawking

Psxpert Sylph​or preachers and scholars who can mix truth with false doctrine

Psxpert Sylph​[message retracted]

Psxpert Sylph​[message retracted]

Psxpert Sylph​too many over-simplified answers on Youtube

anvilhauler engineering​22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

anvilhauler engineering​Galatians 5Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

Cathi Jennex​I know a guy who can't read the kjv because it's too hard to understand, but he can "read" 2 inch thick hockey stats every year 😣

Psxpert Sylph​lol

anvilhauler engineering​Considering what real Christians stand for, then why are the atheists worried by us?

Psxpert Sylph​its a shame really, but something like that can show where ones heart is at

Cathi Jennex​exactly

Psxpert Sylph​there's a lot I don't understand in the KJV

Psxpert Sylph​...that's why its good to study

anvilhauler engineering​Yes, there sure is a lot that none of us understand.

Cathi Jennex​amen, Chris

Psxpert Sylph​well, curtain words in the KJB are rarely used today

Psxpert Sylph​I use the dictionary and cross reference them to get the context

Psxpert Sylph​....and te KJB can have a built-in dictionary to define itsel

anvilhauler engineering​I mentioned to Chris a while back that I had a guy blow up at me at the public swimming pool. He is doing a Ph.D in psychology and he sure didn't like me discussing the origins of life and the brain.

HaleFPV​1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

anvilhauler engineering​Wow, Joshua has read way more of the article than I would. I probably would have stopped after the first two lines.

Virtuous Desires​It's worth it to pay for a Webster Noah 1828 dictionary to have a hard copy.

Virtuous Desires​Mine was a gift.

Cathi Jennex​I live with a " slow" client...he's on over 20 psychiatric meds per day...only now are they thinking they should review his name

Cathi Jennex​meds

Cathi Jennex​he's the kindest, gentlest, most compliant guy you could ever meet

anvilhauler engineering​yes, I think the same about the poisoning.

anvilhauler engineering​Even though miracles happened right in front of people, they still refused to believe and that will happen again.

anvilhauler engineering​They need to tell me how the Prefrontal Cortex formed.

anvilhauler engineering​and that's how the argument started

Virtuous Desires​There goes Tonya again! lol

Psxpert Sylph​...15 min left for me 😑

anvilhauler engineering​Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

anvilhauler engineering​Considering that very little is known about the genetics of man then they are way outside the bounds of science to make any comments and claim that it is genetics.

Virtuous Desires​Ha! My wife was just telling me today that our grandson should get this vaccination that prevents cancer from sex! lol I told her "Are you kidding me?! You know vaccines are bad!"

Virtuous Desires​Supposedly a new vaccine for boys. A cancer scare tactic to sell more vaccines.

anvilhauler engineering​People get HPV Human Papilloma Virus from sexual immorality.

Psxpert Sylph​sexual I'm-moral-ity = fornication?

Virtuous Desires​I told her that too, he shouldn't be fornicating in the first place when he reaches that age.

anvilhauler engineering​The petrol tax here also covers the costs of accidents and you could have a lawnmower accident.

Psxpert Sylph​have a good weekend all!

anvilhauler engineering​Bye Eric

Virtuous Desires​You too Eric!

anvilhauler engineering​Anything non-Biblical is a disaster just waiting to happen.

HaleFPV​Massive manipulation of the mind by subliminals in most of the media today is turning people to sin. Its everywhere. Even in Disney films. The devil is in full court press mode indoctrinating kids.

HaleFPV​at an early age.

Virtuous Desires​Amen Kevin!

anvilhauler engineering​If being a fundamentalist Christian is to be retarded then I'm most happy to be retarded. But they still don't have answers to my questions. Who's retarded?

anvilhauler engineering​Thanks Joshua.


Wild Emails @ CLE / Why I Don't Waste My Time
« on: May 10, 2017, 12:45:13 PM »
The following letter I received yesterday, and I want to go over it and give an explanation of why I don't waste my time with certain people. There was a lady recently on this forum who left, throwing a fit that I corrected her when she said I never waste my time with anyone.

Theodore writes:

Greetings! Nice bit of work you all have put together here . You've qualified yourself in my eyes because of your passion that permeates everything on this blog. I have a question for you all . What do you think of the article that appeared in the Journal Science in December of 1980 titled "is the brain really necessary?" I believe it was written by Roger Lewin about the findings of Dr. John Lorber. Dont want to show my cards because I dont want to influence your answer in any way. Thanks in advance for your time.

I'll give my response momentarily, but I want to analyze this for a moment because if you read this on the surface, it just seems like a "polite" letter, and I agree... since "polite" is where we get the word "politics." It's completely political in nature. Anyone can get the proper discernment they need to see through junk like this because we all serve the same God and have the same anointing of the Holy Spirit, even a simpleton like me, and it just depends on how hard you work at it.

First, notice he called our website a "bit of work." That tells me he's ignored the front page which, through links alone, has hundreds of hours of reading/listening materials. He wouldn't write Answers in Genesis, a leavened marketing company, and call them a "bit of work," but he will do it to me, because he's a respecter of persons. That's right, I can determine that he's a respecter of persons with three words.

Next, he says my "passion... permeates everything on this blog." Again, calling it a blog when I release entire books for free, shows he's done little to no research on our website, so we have a person speaking in ignorance. Likely, he skimmed one article; that's the impression I'm starting to get now. He used the word "passion" because he saw numerous references and quotations, and that shows me that he's now mocking me. If I wasn't convinced before that he was wasting my time, I'm doubly convinced now, we haven't even gotten through half his letter yet.

Next, he asks me about a <em>Science</em> article from 1980. First of all, I wasn't even born in 1980. He provided no references for what he was talking about, and wrote this letter as if he was assuming I'd read some obscure man's religious junk (because <em>Science</em> won't publish anything that doesn't support their religious Evolutionism), and I've got better things to do than to waste my time hunting it down for someone who is already mocking me under his breath.

He continues to say he doesn't want to "show my cards," which made me laugh because he's already shown me everything I need to know, but he's saying this because he refuses to tell me what he believes. Well, duh. Christians don't hide from me what they believe; only other religious cults try to hide it, and it's usually atheists/evolutionists that hide like cowards.

Thus, I am dealing with a man (or boy, I can't tell), who mocks me while trying to hide it, doesn't take me seriously and respects persons, speaking in ignorance and assumptions, who is hiding like a coward from telling what he believes, and he wants me to spend my time having a discussion with him?

My response:

I don't care. That's my answer. Thanks for writing.

That's the truth. I don't care. I'd rather spend my time writing other Christians to give them an analysis of his letter than to respond to his letter. He only wrote me to pick a fight and waste my time; he doesn't care anything from what I would have to say about that article.

And the proof was in his response:

F**k you. Thanks.

That's all he wrote me. See what I mean? I sent him another letter thanking him for confirmation, gave him the law, and I won't respond to him anymore. However, I want others to understand that I don't just say I'm wasting my time with someone on assumption, and I'm not saying I'm someone special who never makes mistakes, nor am I worthy of respect because of what Christ has done for me, but after all I've done in our ministry for over 8 years now--after all that very careful analysis and research, I still have people who occasionally come in here and think I'm making assumptions about others, and that's a little insulting.

I do have reasons for what I do, and instead of people automatically assuming I'm wrong, if they would simply ask for my reasoning on the matter, I can usually explain it. Let's all be cautious of the words we use:
O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
-Matthew 12:34

But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
-Matthew 12:36

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