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What's New @ CLE / (VIDEO) Freemasonry: A Luciferian Beacon p13
« on: November 20, 2017, 08:19:20 PM »

What's New @ CLE / Re: (DISCUSSION) #041 Yakidy-Yak Don't Talk Back
« on: November 18, 2017, 09:34:38 PM »
Christopher Johnson​Running a bit late today; starting at 8:30 instead...

anvilhauler engineering​__Hi All.

Hakim Mohamad​Sounds like we're all gonna die.. once again 😃

anvilhauler engineering​__Oh no, and I've just finished doing a section of the wall in the kitchen. It will all be ruined now.

Hakim Mohamad​Is his name Tarot? Like the occult cards?

anvilhauler engineering​__I'll bet you don't hear any more of this guy after tomorrow.

Wheless _​hello people

Hakim Mohamad​anvilhauler These guys just return under another name and predict the same thing again at some other date...

Tonya Johnson​Hello! I was invited to the live call, but I could hear no one and didn't want to mess up the recording. So here we are. ❤

anvilhauler engineering​__LOL. Yeah.

Hakim Mohamad​They had tom

anvilhauler engineering​__It started 30 min late Tonya.

Hakim Mohamad​They had to mention that the Guy was "Christian"

anvilhauler engineering​__Oh well, if it doesn't happen, it's not the end of the world.

anvilhauler engineering​__LOL.

Hakim Mohamad​I wonder why they are still referring to Planet X, after Pluto lost its status as the nineth planet...

anvilhauler engineering​__French Polynesia.

Hakim Mohamad​Sounds like "Sealand" to me..

anvilhauler engineering​__Two unsinkable ships, the Titanic and the Bismarck and both sunk on their maiden voyage.

anvilhauler engineering​__Yes, a ship.

Hakim Mohamad​A city that is under the water...?

anvilhauler engineering​__The tide still comes up to the same level here. Must just be your end of the world.

Christopher Johnson​That's because we have more fat people here that like to go swimming.

Hakim Mohamad​Imaginary Problems with imaginary cities on the ocean

anvilhauler engineering​__LOL.

Hakim Mohamad​Sorry.. I meant Fight immaginary problems with imaginary cities on the water

Eric M​hi all, i barely made it with the poor wifi

Hakim Mohamad​It's a satanic ritual in the desert!

anvilhauler engineering​__Hi Eric.

Hakim Mohamad​Hi Eric

Eric M​i will watch the discussion later, i have poor internet atm

Hakim Mohamad​No, the stream lags. The Problem is not on your side Eric

anvilhauler engineering​__I think that area is where N Korea plans to test their nukes.

Hakim Mohamad​LOL

Hakim Mohamad​Maybe there is oil under that Ocean Property...

Eric M​well, america got to test their nukes, let the world test theirs' too, oh boy....

Eric M​after weaponising earthquakes, storms and hurricanes, nuke are a thing of the past(off-topic,sry)

Tonya Johnson​I made my son work when we was suspended. He actually didn't really do anything "wrong, but he had in the past, so he worked it off.

Hakim Mohamad​Good drones don't ask questions...

anvilhauler engineering​__Yep, can't live without calculuis.

anvilhauler engineering​__calculus

anvilhauler engineering​__I was from classes of guys who were in to engineering and we still had to do music at high school. The guys used to make the teacher's life hell.

Hakim Mohamad​Sorry for asking but does "talking back" mean that you voice your disagreement with low quality class content?

Nathan Aponte​Message deleted by Christopher Johnson.View deleted message

anvilhauler engineering​__Yes, it will be available.

Tonya Johnson​Hahahahahah! Sam says, "Uncle Chris is a terrorist! That's awesome!!!"

Hakim Mohamad​Respect persons!

Tonya Johnson​That is ridiculous!!!

anvilhauler engineering​__Jesus didn't respect and got himself crucified. Always respect.

Hakim Mohamad​Don't question authority!

Tonya Johnson​Why shouldn't a child have their own opinions??? Yes, like a good girl. . . (rolls eyes)

Tonya Johnson​Because they are raised in a cult?

Hakim Mohamad​LOL they are trying to prove evolution with the Amish..

Hakim Mohamad​Maybe that's why they don't get cancer...

anvilhauler engineering​__Telomeric caps.

anvilhauler engineering​__Heterozygotes.

anvilhauler engineering​__LOL.. Yeah, point being?

anvilhauler engineering​__Thanks again Joshua.

What's New @ CLE / (DISCUSSION) #041 Yakidy-Yak Don't Talk Back
« on: November 18, 2017, 09:34:22 PM »

General Discussion / Re: a child's question
« on: November 18, 2017, 02:17:30 PM »
If we are called children of God, then for what purpose do parents have children?

General Discussion / Re: How To Answer Accusations of "Rudeness"
« on: November 18, 2017, 12:58:57 PM »
If anyone doesn't understand why I posted this, it's likely due to them not being involved enough yet in the battle we are supposed to be involved in as Christians. I've never had anyone physically lay hands on me yet for teaching the truth, but I have been called all sorts of things. When you gain enough discernment to start exposing sins and calling people to repentance, you'll get accused of a lot, and the Bible has an answer for just about everything they'll accuse you of.

I didn't realize I was going to get this much opposition for posting Scripture to help people with that problem.

I have been gentle in my approach many times, and my success rate for a gentle approach with people has been precisely 0% as far as I can recall. Patting them on the head and saying, "I'm sorry, I know this might be inconvenient, and I appreciate your time, but won't you please stop looking at pornography and turn to Jesus?" -- doesn't seem to work at all, especially in America. This is not to say that no one can be saved through compassion and gentleness, but that is only when their attitude reflects the need for it; typically when they show a repentant heart, and that is extremely rare.
And of some have compassion, making a difference: And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
-Jude 1:22-23

The other side of the coin is saving others through the fear of God, which is much more common. It's because preaching the fear of God causes people to be upset and causes controversy; that's why most people tend to avoid it. (i.e. Not because it's wrong, but because lukewarm Christians tend to be more concerned with how people feel about them, rather than if their souls are saved.) The justification is always, "Well, we should be preaching the love of Jesus," to which I respond:
If ye love me, keep my commandments.
-John 14:15
As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
-Rev 3:19
For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake. One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
-Titus 1:10-13

And it's for this reason that I have often cringed at the word "apologetics." I know, I've used the term in the past when talking about presuppositional apologetics, but that's what they call it, so I used to the term, but I don't like it. It's long and complicated, and most people don't understand it. I would argue that "apologetics" has nothing do with Christianity.

I didn't intend to make a long post, but I'm thinking I should. I'm going to quote the leavened preacher Matt Slick (who I exhort Christians to stay away from for numerous reasons--his own daughter turned atheist from his teachings), because I figured if anyone will give a worldly defense of CHURCH-ianity terms, it's him:
"Apologetics is the branch of Christianity that deals with the defense and establishment of the Christian faith.  Christian Apologetics is something every true believer should be involved in even if it is only a little.
"But sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence," (1 Peter 3:15)."

First of all, the word "apologetics" has the word "apology" in it which most people at face value today will take to mean to be sorry. We are sorry for our sins towards God in repentance, but we are not sorry for the teaching of the truth of His Word, and I make no apology for it. It's for their good, no matter how much they slander and commit libel against me.
Second, Slick quotes new-age bible versions, and that's just one of the many reasons I exhort Christians to sanctify themselves away from his so-called "ministry."
Here's what 1Pe 3 actually says:
And who is he that will harm you, if ye be followers of that which is good? But and if ye suffer for righteousness' sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled; But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.
-1 Peter 3:13-17

Thus, for the purpose of being ready to give an answer and response to their wicked accusations, falsely accusing your good conversation in Christ as "rude," I provided some Scripture to use.

Next, Slick (accurately living up to his name) writes further in a later section that, says that "apologetics" root word means "defense," and therefore, we should defend it. The only instances I'm familiar with in the KJB that talks about a defense is when false preachers like Matt Slick come in to try and take over. We are to defend the Gospel against people like him. Outside of such wolves, our duty is to go on the attack, not defend; not using the carnal weapons of war, but using the Word of God as a sword to pierce the hearts of men, and pull down the strongholds they've built for themselves to defend the pride in their hearts.
Now I Paul myself beseech you by the meekness and gentleness of Christ, who in presence am base among you, but being absent am bold toward you: But I beseech you, that I may not be bold when I am present with that confidence, wherewith I think to be bold against some, which think of us as if we walked according to the flesh. For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
-2Co 10:1-6

Which brings me back to my point from 2Co 11, that we have a Scriptural response when someone accuses us for being "rude" by our boldness to preach the message of God, that they should repent (i.e. have grief and godly sorrow of wrongdoing) for their sin and humble themselves before the Lord God before it's too late because in reality, they don't have a whole lot of time.

And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
-Heb 9:27

General Discussion / Re: a child's question
« on: November 18, 2017, 12:15:47 PM »
I would say for the same reason parents have children. If you can explain that, then I'm sure you can explain the rest.

General Discussion / Re: How To Answer Accusations of "Rudeness"
« on: November 17, 2017, 06:09:58 PM »
That's prefaced by the previous verse:
For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles.
However, Paul was not uneducated. He might have been accused of being so, since he was commonly called foolish by false preachers, but he warned the church against them in the two verses before that:
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
He was warning them of their wicked doctrines that sought to take them away from the simple teachings of the Word, and therefore, they would accuse him of rudeness, which you had defined as "unpolished." You need to look up "impolite" because it too means unpolished, and such accusations are made against those who are respecters of persons, especially when they feel insulted by our just judgments of their unrighteous deeds and false doctrines.

General Discussion / How To Answer Accusations of "Rudeness"
« on: November 17, 2017, 03:56:36 PM »
If someone accuses you of being rude:
But though I be rude in speech, yet not in knowledge; but we have been throughly made manifest among you in all things.
-2Co 11:6

Just something to keep in mind. Rudeness is nothing more than someone's personal preference of what they consider to be proper "public relations" speech. Meaning you have to say everything according to how they personally feel and think, which actually means they're forcing you to speak in a manner that agrees with their philosophical thinking, and we do not pander to the philosophies of the world.

General Discussion / Re: a child's question
« on: November 17, 2017, 09:33:57 AM »
Because then He would be making their choice for them, and if they don't have a choice, then they can't love willingly, and would therefore be no different than robots.

Wild Emails @ CLE / Re: Introduce myself?
« on: November 15, 2017, 05:37:40 PM »
I don't mean to keep bringing this up, but it's two days after my last post, and I'm done working for today. I just thought about it and decided to check my trash bin again in my email, and she's still sending me emails on a daily basis. This woman may have some devil in her, I have no idea, but I'm glad she's gone. However, it is possible she may try to make a mock account and come on here to harass you guys, so I just ask the mods to keep an eye on new accounts please. Thanks.  ;)

What's New @ CLE / Re: (UPDATE) Is Repentance Part of Salvation?
« on: November 15, 2017, 02:32:52 PM »
I don't know what the best way is for everyone, and that's because when I try to answer something or don't understanding something, I write an article about it. I suppose that's how I take notes. So take notes? If you're really trying to understand a passage you don't understand, put a label on it and move on. If everything is here and little and there a little, then you'll find the answer later.

Reading things in the context is key; as well as understanding the definitions of the words used, but the definitions are supposed to be defined by the context, so that's important. I don't know how to teach doing that, other than to provide the weekly audio teachings I've been providing. In those, in our first half, I go through and define and teach by the context, so maybe that will help?

What's New @ CLE / Re: (UPDATE) Is Repentance Part of Salvation?
« on: November 15, 2017, 12:37:49 PM »
I can't really figure out what it is you're trying to ask because you're not really explaining what you mean by what you say. Saying, "What does all this have to do with X verse?" is not really a question unless we know your understanding of the context.

I'm guessing here, which is why I don't like writing all this out, but it seems like you're saying that guilt/shame/repentance is not listed out in Gal 5, therefore, it's not "the fruit of the Spirit." That's like saying, "Pedophilia is not listed out in Gal 5, therefore, it is not a work of the flesh." If Paul had to list out every potential word used for everything good that came from God, and evil that came from the flesh, that'd be the longest chapter in the Bible by a long shot.

I suspected you might have had some corrupt doctrine somewhere, so I checked out the link you sent, and I was right, you've received corrupt doctrine from them. First of all, they rely on the NLT, so I wouldn't be willing to study with them at all.

Second, the place you're getting teaching from is wicked. The parent company who owns Salem is called the Salem Communications Corporation, or Salem Media Group, who have a NASDAQ stock portfolio. (Sounds really "Christian" doesn't it?) They're not only incorporated, but they are one of the primary companies who have led the leavened CCM industry into the evil we have seen it today. The founders of the company were praised by the wicked TIME magazine as "25 Most Influential Evangelicals in America," and so if they're praised by the Devil's magazine, you know they're evil... so how much Biblical understanding do you think you'll get from them?
(Read "What's Wrong With Christian Rock?" here at for more details.)

Next, they say the very commonly used phrase, "Guilt/Shame does not come from God, it comes from the devil." This is a lie of the devil, and I've covered that in two articles:
The Biblical Understanding of Pride
Wolves in Costume: Rick Warren - The Tongue of a Viper

The Bible uses the word "contrite," and this is what it generally means:
contrite (adj): worn, bruised, broken, humbled, sincerely affected by a sense of guilt
(See 'contrite', American Dictionary of the English Language, Noah Webster, 1828, retrieved Oct 19, 2017 [])

Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest? For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.
-Isa 66:1-2

To say that guilt or shame comes from the Devil is to blaspheme God, which is what Salem is doing. (i.e. Blaspheme is calling the Word of God of the Devil.) Those who reject guilt and shame are rejecting the Gospel:
Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
-Romans 3:19
Let the proud be ashamed; for they dealt perversely with me without a cause: but I will meditate in thy precepts.
-Psalm 119:78
But thou hast saved us from our enemies, and hast put them to shame that hated us.
-Psalm 44:7
But thou hast cast off, and put us to shame; and goest not forth with our armies.
-Psalm 44:9
The days of his youth hast thou shortened: thou hast covered him with shame. Selah.
-Psalm 89:45

There is more in the articles I linked above.

Yet, if you want confidence (which means "faith"), then you need to do what's right. Anyone who wants to be confidence in the Lord, should work to live perfectly.
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
-Mat 5:48
That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
-Eph 4:22-24

And it's important to study the Word while cleaning out your life:
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
-Rom 10:17
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
-2Ti 2:25

When you put away the sin of the flesh, and you walk in righteousness daily, then comes confidence in the Lord to where we do not have to live daily in shame, but it is also important to remember the pit we were dug out of, so that we are not blinded by pride in our own works.

The company you're studying with is teaching a "no shame" doctrine, not because they are sanctified in perfect living in Christ, but because it's a "feel-good" message. If they don't continue to produce a feel-good message, then their stocks won't be worth as much to their investors.
For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
-1Ti 6:10

Introduce Yourself / Re: Hello All
« on: November 14, 2017, 03:27:12 PM »
I was just thinking about it this afternoon, and if I remember right, this woman wrote me an email when first contacting me that was so incredibly humble. I was looking over some Scripture this afternoon and I happened to be thinking about this, and I remembered that I hadn't said anything about it on the forum. It's the humility one sees in a heart that has godly sorrow in repentance. So, I just wanted you guys to know that her humility was very encouraging to me, and it humbled me as well. I'm not saying she's perfect, because I don't really know her much at all, but I enjoy her spirit of humility, and I hope she maintains that because it can be a great testimony to others, as it has already been to me.

What's New @ CLE / Re: (UPDATE) Is Repentance Part of Salvation?
« on: November 14, 2017, 12:42:47 PM »
After Daniel read the prophesying of Jeremiah for the first time, here's what he did:
And I set my face unto the Lord God, to seek by prayer and supplications, with fasting, and sackcloth, and ashes: And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments; We have sinned, and have committed iniquity, and have done wickedly, and have rebelled, even by departing from thy precepts and from thy judgments: Neither have we hearkened unto thy servants the prophets, which spake in thy name to our kings, our princes, and our fathers, and to all the people of the land.
-Dan 9:3-6

So as you can see, he was repentant of that which was done in the past, even though he was the elect of God, and a chosen prophet, he was humbled to repentance for the things he and his people had done against God, and if you keep reading, God sent a messenger to him while he prayed to give him more knowledge.

God has told all those who follow Him and seek to do right:
Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the LORD: look unto the rock whence ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged.
-Isa 51:1

That is, to consider where you came from, what sins you had committed, and what wrongs you were forgiven. If we forget the pit that we were dug from, then we tend to become puffed up, and end up thinking that we are better than those around us.
For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
-1Co 11:31-32

If we don't remember what sins we have committed against God, how can we judge our behavior, our feelings, and our tendencies?

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