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What's New @ CLE / (CORRECTION) Isaiah 14:12 is NOT Talking About Satan
« on: September 19, 2023, 12:01:25 PM »
Once again, I have to thank Kent Hovind for teaching me false doctrine because I have repeated something he taught everyone which was not true. The one named "Lucifer" in Isaiah 14 is NOT referring to Satan. I am not saying that there are people who refer to Satan as "Lucifer," but that is not the context of Isaiah 14, and sadly, I have, many times, taught that wrong.

This is a name that was being given to Nebuchadnezzar because the context of the chapter (and surrounding chapters) is Babylon.

Let's read it again:

Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee. How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house. But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet. Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned. Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities. For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD. I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will sweep it with the besom of destruction, saith the LORD of hosts.
-Isa 14:11-23


It was Nebuchadnezzar that considered that he, being the man with the highest authority in the world, thought he would ascend into godhood. It was Nebuchadnezzar who God said would be brought down to hell for his arrogance. He was a leader of the world at the time, and when he was bought low, the people marveled at him that he, at one time, had made the nations to tremble in fear. This is why God said he would rise up and cut off Babylon, which He did, and that is why, today, Babylon is nothing but a shadow in name.

Nebuchadnezzar thought he was going to bring light to the world, which is why he is mockingly called "Lucifer" in this passage, which may have even been a name he gave to himself at one point.

Sorry that I taught this wrong for so long. I still have doctrines imprinted into me by corrupt teachers that I am slowly working out.

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What's New @ CLE / (WEEKLY TEACHING) The Church is Not a Building p2
« on: August 28, 2023, 01:22:17 PM »

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What's New @ CLE / (WEEKLY TEACHING) The Church is Not a Building p1
« on: August 21, 2023, 07:56:22 AM »

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I did a teaching last year talking about that issue.

http://www.creationliberty.com/articles/hell.php

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Bible Discussion / Re: Easter in the KJV
« on: July 27, 2023, 10:59:51 PM »
Hey Terence, I know you're new, but in the agreement you signed when you registered, it says that all new members need to post in the Introduction section within 48 hours. It's part of forum rules that we all have to follow. Click the link below and it'll help you get started.

All New Members (READ THIS FIRST!)

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Bible Discussion / Re: Discussing Churchianity Positions
« on: July 11, 2023, 10:15:26 AM »
You click on his profile. Then you click on "show posts." It shows his last post that you can click on and read the thread.

https://www.creationliberty.com/forum/index.php?topic=1757.msg14239#msg14239

There's an important reason many of us have not responded to Dan lately.

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General Discussion / Re: Thoughts on incense?
« on: July 08, 2023, 09:45:51 AM »
You might attract some hippie stoners, but other than that, I don't think it attracts anything else.

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Bible Discussion / Re: Dreams and Visions
« on: July 04, 2023, 04:42:57 PM »
Points to consider about true prophecy/dreams in Scripture:

1. The prophecies were not self-serving. They were almost never about the prophet himself.
2. The prophecies rebuked, corrected, and instructed the hearers of it.
3. The prophecies were very specific, never vague, and not left open to feeling or speculation.
4. The prophecies typically put the prophet himself in danger of violent retaliation from the listeners, and the prophets spoke the prophecies at great risk of physical harm and other losses.

Ask yourself if the person giving the "prophecy" matches any of these descriptions.

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Bible Discussion / Re: Jehovah or Yahweh? The KJV is on the line.
« on: July 02, 2023, 08:02:29 PM »
No, it's not you.

Did you want me to delete your response for you, or would you like to leave it there?

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Bible Discussion / Re: Jehovah or Yahweh? The KJV is on the line.
« on: July 02, 2023, 09:38:56 AM »
Without a lengthy conversation, t's difficult to explain to random people who may be browsing this forum why we banned Dan, because there's a lot of information to process on all of his posts, but the main point was that there were blatant contradictions in his salvation testimony, and his conversations from the start had no indication of his conversion to Jesus Christ. Essentially, he is one of those people that is a student of conspiracies, not the doctrines of Christ. After many attempts to communicate this to him, and after he also privately emailed me and I explained it to him again, he still would not and did not answer our questions and concerns.

At that point, what he tried to do was research some things I taught, and then he came back and just became a parrot of the things I was teaching, thinking that if he said the right key words, we would accept him, but that is not how salvation works. His entire purpose in coming here was to join our church, and we told him "No" in the kindest way we could. He then said he was leaving, and few weeks later, came back and tried doing the same thing, trying to change the way he said things to appease us, instead of answering the questions and concerns we had.

Now, he's revealed that he's back for the same reason, doing the same things over and over, and there is another person on the forum who has done the same thing as Dan, and that person and Dan are starting to have back-and-forth conversations, pretending themselves to be of like-mind with us, even though most of us have not responded to them for very important reasons. I don't like to remove people who have not broken any rules, but I do not want Dan attracting more people like this to the forum.

We are not doing Dan any favors by allowing him to continue the facade, and I don't want him to waste his time. He should find somewhere else to go, and though he has already been told these things multiple times by multiple people, he keeps doing it. I trust the Lord will do what is best with Dan, and I hope Dan finds a place better suited for him.

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Wild Emails @ CLE / Slap-and-Run Was Her Best Strategy
« on: June 26, 2023, 08:27:35 AM »

BELLE FROM USA:

You yourself are a false prophet deceiving many!

If you’re such a biblical scholar; you should know that the 7 th day sabbath came from creation week ( it was the 7 th day of creation). It was never only for the Jews; it was made by God for Adam and Eve and blessed by Him and made Holy. It’s in the 4 th commandment.

There’s ZERO biblical command for Sunday worship; Sunday keeping is purely a construct of the Roman Catholic Church who actually claim they changed Gods appointed day on their authority alone. This is arrogant and blasphemous towards God and most of the protestants follow along!!

Do some research. Read yourself ( In Catholic literature) what the Catholic Church says about it. Research Constantine.

The test for a prophet of God is; “If they speak not according to the words of this testimony ( the Bible) it’s because there’s no light in them “  so a prophet of God would keep ALL of Gods commandments not just 9!



Hello. Is there something I can help you with?

END OF DISCUSSION

Some of you may be asking... why did you not respond to her comments? My answer... because there was no point in it. This woman did not write to me to have a conversation; she wrote to me because she wanted to whine and complain. This, essentially, is a total waste of my time, however, for the church, it might be useful to post, to give them an example of how corrupt these kinds of people are.

There is a pattern I have noticed over the years, and that those who put down a location like "USA" or "Earth," nearly all of them act just like Belle acted (assuming that's her real name). They are so scared to death for anyone to know a general location where they live because they are scared that anyone would actually see these comments and associate it with them because they don't want people they meet to see what they have said. This demonstrates that they have NO fear of God in their hearts because they do not believe they will be judged for anything they say or do.
But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
-Mat 12:36

I guarantee this woman does not like it if people speak this way to her, but she is pleased to speak this way to others in hypocrisy.
Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
-Mat 7:12

For a woman that is so obsessed with the law, you would think she would take heed of this verse, but she does not care about it, which means she does not care about the Lord Jesus Christ. If you don't care about His doctrine, you don't care about Him.,
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
-John 1:1
If ye love me, keep my commandments.
-John 14:15

These are VERY simple verses, but she has no understanding of them.

Let's take a quick look at her comments:

You yourself are a false prophet deceiving many!
These are a dime a dozen. They make vague, generalized statements without evidence. If I accuse someone of being a false prophet, I often do enough research to write an entire book on the subject, that I might prove the matter, so I do not make the mistake of falsely accusing someone.
But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine: That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience. The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
-Tts 2:1-3


If you’re such a biblical scholar; you should know that the 7 th day sabbath came from creation week ( it was the 7 th day of creation). It was never only for the Jews; it was made by God for Adam and Eve and blessed by Him and made Holy. It’s in the 4 th commandment.
It's clear she hasn't listened to anything I teach because I've never claimed to be a Bible scholar. I have, however, claimed many times to be a worthless idiot who Jesus Christ had mercy on, and have spent years in study, praying for His wisdom and understanding that I may judge righteous judgement to glorify Him.

Perhaps Belle, in her vast education and many years of study, may need to correct a worthless idiot like me, but as far as I'm aware, the Sabbath Day rituals and commandments were not instituted until Moses gave the law. And, as I just pointed out in Matthew 7:12 a moment ago, ALL the law and prophets are fulfilled and kept by loving the Lord God and your neighbor as yourself. I would ask Belle if she thinks her letter was written with that loving intent.

There’s ZERO biblical command for Sunday worship; Sunday keeping is purely a construct of the Roman Catholic Church who actually claim they changed Gods appointed day on their authority alone. This is arrogant and blasphemous towards God and most of the protestants follow along!!
Belle hasn't made any effort to tell him what her problem with me personally is just yet, and typically, the reason for that is because she hasn't read or listened to hardly anything I've produced. Most often, when I get letters like this, it's because someone ONLY read the title to one of my books, and was infuriated by it. In this case, I'm going to make a guess and say she's a Seventh-day Adventist who read the title to my book, Corruptions of Christianity: Seventh-day Adventism which also has a picture of Ellen G. White with a giant Pinocchio-esque nose, which might explain her rage.

Oh, and to answer her point: I'm not Catholic, and I'm not Jewish, so you're barking up the wrong tree.

Do some research. Read yourself ( In Catholic literature) what the Catholic Church says about it. Research Constantine.
You mean like the book I wrote called Corruptions of Christianity: Catholicism?

The test for a prophet of God is; “If they speak not according to the words of this testimony ( the Bible) it’s because there’s no light in them “  so a prophet of God would keep ALL of Gods commandments not just 9!
Perhaps I'm just a layman, and Belle will need to correct and instruct me on this one, but when I was reading through my Bible one day, I noticed that there were more chapters and books AFTER Exodus 20. I spent many years afterwards reading and looking into those to gain a full understanding of everything that took place AFTER that point.

And... I guess that's the end of her letter. I still don't know the point she was trying to make, or what she saw that sent her into a flying rage. However, what I can glean from this is that she is still hopelessly trying to earn her way into heaven by her works, and that is something you simply cannot do.
And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
-Rom 11:6


Again, I'm not Jewish, and I thank God that I am not Jewish. I thank God that He made me a Christian, and I have a BETTER covenant that is built on BETTER promises than the Jews.
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he [Christ] is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
-Heb 8:6


I've always wondered, just out of my own curiosity, if women like Belle speak to people they meet on the street in the same manner she just wrote to me. Hmm.

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