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« on: December 30, 2023, 09:28:05 AM »
I answered with the truth, there was no contradiction.
Oh. Okay. That tells me a lot about you; much more than anything else you've said so far.
The Lord's Word is very explanatory which I used to explain.
Indeed, because God's Word has words and it's godly.
You seem not to like me using Scripture which supports my testimony.
You seem to use a lot of strawman arguments and red herrings when you're held accountable to what you say.
The Love of God in His Mercy brought Holy Spirit conviction, which revealed my guilt of my sins, which means in His Grace, without condemnation, He sent the Holy Spirit to bring about Salvation.
You just used the same contradiction after telling me there was no contradiction, and did not bother to explain yourself. I can't have a conversation with people like that.
Who brought condemnation to the guilty? The Pharisees, the self-righteous.
No, the Word of God brought condemnation to the guilty. Jesus' purpose in coming to this world the first time was not to condemn the world because the written Word already does that. However, that does not mean that Jesus never condemned anyone; specifically, the Pharisees that you just mentioned. In fact, if Jesus hadn't condemned them, you would not know to talk about them in that way. To say that it was the "self-righteous Pharisees" alone that brought condemnation is ignorance of the Scripture. They condemned others while being hypocrites, which is why Jesus condemned them:
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
-Mat 23:25
I'm starting to wonder if you just ignored the definitions of the terms, and instead you keep using the terms under your own definition without telling us what you think those terms mean. Part of the reason I suspect this is because you have not once said anything about the fact that 'conviction' and 'condemnation' mean the same thing.
I know you don't want to hear any of this, and don't misunderstand; I'm doing this for others reading this because let's be straight-forward: you didn't come here to learn anything or fellowship with us. You came here to preach to us what you want us to believe; that's pretty clear based on what I have seen from you so far (especially in your other post), which means you have no intention of taking in any understanding from anyone else but yourself. I can't have a conversation with people like that.
Did Jesus condemn Mary Magdalene? Did Jesus condemn the man with the Legion of Demons? Did Jesus Condemn Paul for killing His Followers? He came with Mercy, in His Love He came to those who could not change themselves.
You still have not addressed the contradiction that I pointed out. No one here is arguing that you were condemned by Jesus when you claim you were saved. These questions you just posed are strawman arguments because you either refuse addressing what I said, or you don't understand what I said.
So yes, it was the Love of God in His Mercy to bring about conviction of my sins, it was His Goodness that lead me to Repentance. That is all non-contradictory.
You still haven't answered anything yet. You're just repeating what you previously said to make it look like you answered my inquiry. In my experience, men who repeat themselves instead of answering or expounding on the question asked are dishonest men who end up as politicians. I hope that's not you, but you haven't given me any reason to believe otherwise yet.
The Lord's Word stands true, and so do I stand true. He came, He convicted, I confessed, I ask forgiveness, He forgave, then I was cleansed, and sealed by His Holy Spirit. That is pretty much the Gospel. No contradictions with the work of God within a sinner's soul.
That's just cotton candy fluff. You've trained yourself well over the years to repeat the lines you think others expect you to say, but I can't have a conversation with a broken record.
Thank you I've answered the questions, no "avoiding here", I reject your accusation.
In your mind, you declared it, so therefore, it is true by default. This is very similar phrasing I have seen when I talk to people who worship false prophets. I'm not saying you're one of those, but what you say is strikingly similar to them.
Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
-1Co 10:12
Yes, I did add the other info, but not to "drown out so nobody notices that I did not answer it".
Well, you're still doing it... soooo...
It seems you are trying to manipulate the situation into something it is not.
Pot, meet kettle.
The Lord states we are to provide all things honest to all,
Correct... and here comes the accusation to justify himself...
it seems you are the one who struggles with the truth according to the Lord's Word and the testimonies written within it.
And there it is. That's the man who does not judge himself. Because I dared to question the holy, sacred Cal, and point out where there was a contradiction in what he said, I have now received the accusation that I struggled to understand ANY AND ALL of Scripture.
For anyone else reading this, when you see this sort of thing, it's childishness. It's the same fussy attitude children have when they are told something they don't like, and so they react by saying "I know you are but what am I?" The problem is that Cal knows that if he said that, he would look childish, so he says it behind a bunch of words that he thinks makes him look sophisticated. This is what is meant when Paul said "by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple" in Romans 16:18.
The reason he is doing this is simply because, if he were to address the question I asked him, it would shake the foundation of what he has believed about his alleged salvation testimony for decades. I wasn't even trying to do that; I just wanted to understand why he used two words back to back, which mean the same thing, but declared opposite things about them. That's all I wanted to know, but now it has turned into this, which means there is a MUCH deeper philosophical problem in Cal's belief system. And now, it has turned into something so serious for him, he will condemn others to save himself from having to address it.
Lord bless you
And he ends his letter with pretense that he thinks will make him sound "holy." The passive aggressive attitude he has is a form of what the Bible calls "murmuring."
Do all things without murmurings and disputings:
-Phil 2:14
Cal, have you listened to anything I teach? Why did you come here? Because, after this post, it doesn't sound at all like you want to have any fellowship with us, and it certainly doesn't sound like you have much like-mindedness with us.
Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.
-Phil 2:2
Oh. Okay. That tells me a lot about you; much more than anything else you've said so far.
The Lord's Word is very explanatory which I used to explain.
Indeed, because God's Word has words and it's godly.
You seem not to like me using Scripture which supports my testimony.
You seem to use a lot of strawman arguments and red herrings when you're held accountable to what you say.
The Love of God in His Mercy brought Holy Spirit conviction, which revealed my guilt of my sins, which means in His Grace, without condemnation, He sent the Holy Spirit to bring about Salvation.
You just used the same contradiction after telling me there was no contradiction, and did not bother to explain yourself. I can't have a conversation with people like that.
Who brought condemnation to the guilty? The Pharisees, the self-righteous.
No, the Word of God brought condemnation to the guilty. Jesus' purpose in coming to this world the first time was not to condemn the world because the written Word already does that. However, that does not mean that Jesus never condemned anyone; specifically, the Pharisees that you just mentioned. In fact, if Jesus hadn't condemned them, you would not know to talk about them in that way. To say that it was the "self-righteous Pharisees" alone that brought condemnation is ignorance of the Scripture. They condemned others while being hypocrites, which is why Jesus condemned them:
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
-Mat 23:25
I'm starting to wonder if you just ignored the definitions of the terms, and instead you keep using the terms under your own definition without telling us what you think those terms mean. Part of the reason I suspect this is because you have not once said anything about the fact that 'conviction' and 'condemnation' mean the same thing.
I know you don't want to hear any of this, and don't misunderstand; I'm doing this for others reading this because let's be straight-forward: you didn't come here to learn anything or fellowship with us. You came here to preach to us what you want us to believe; that's pretty clear based on what I have seen from you so far (especially in your other post), which means you have no intention of taking in any understanding from anyone else but yourself. I can't have a conversation with people like that.
Did Jesus condemn Mary Magdalene? Did Jesus condemn the man with the Legion of Demons? Did Jesus Condemn Paul for killing His Followers? He came with Mercy, in His Love He came to those who could not change themselves.
You still have not addressed the contradiction that I pointed out. No one here is arguing that you were condemned by Jesus when you claim you were saved. These questions you just posed are strawman arguments because you either refuse addressing what I said, or you don't understand what I said.
So yes, it was the Love of God in His Mercy to bring about conviction of my sins, it was His Goodness that lead me to Repentance. That is all non-contradictory.
You still haven't answered anything yet. You're just repeating what you previously said to make it look like you answered my inquiry. In my experience, men who repeat themselves instead of answering or expounding on the question asked are dishonest men who end up as politicians. I hope that's not you, but you haven't given me any reason to believe otherwise yet.
The Lord's Word stands true, and so do I stand true. He came, He convicted, I confessed, I ask forgiveness, He forgave, then I was cleansed, and sealed by His Holy Spirit. That is pretty much the Gospel. No contradictions with the work of God within a sinner's soul.
That's just cotton candy fluff. You've trained yourself well over the years to repeat the lines you think others expect you to say, but I can't have a conversation with a broken record.
Thank you I've answered the questions, no "avoiding here", I reject your accusation.
In your mind, you declared it, so therefore, it is true by default. This is very similar phrasing I have seen when I talk to people who worship false prophets. I'm not saying you're one of those, but what you say is strikingly similar to them.
Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
-1Co 10:12
Yes, I did add the other info, but not to "drown out so nobody notices that I did not answer it".
Well, you're still doing it... soooo...
It seems you are trying to manipulate the situation into something it is not.
Pot, meet kettle.
The Lord states we are to provide all things honest to all,
Correct... and here comes the accusation to justify himself...
it seems you are the one who struggles with the truth according to the Lord's Word and the testimonies written within it.
And there it is. That's the man who does not judge himself. Because I dared to question the holy, sacred Cal, and point out where there was a contradiction in what he said, I have now received the accusation that I struggled to understand ANY AND ALL of Scripture.
For anyone else reading this, when you see this sort of thing, it's childishness. It's the same fussy attitude children have when they are told something they don't like, and so they react by saying "I know you are but what am I?" The problem is that Cal knows that if he said that, he would look childish, so he says it behind a bunch of words that he thinks makes him look sophisticated. This is what is meant when Paul said "by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple" in Romans 16:18.
The reason he is doing this is simply because, if he were to address the question I asked him, it would shake the foundation of what he has believed about his alleged salvation testimony for decades. I wasn't even trying to do that; I just wanted to understand why he used two words back to back, which mean the same thing, but declared opposite things about them. That's all I wanted to know, but now it has turned into this, which means there is a MUCH deeper philosophical problem in Cal's belief system. And now, it has turned into something so serious for him, he will condemn others to save himself from having to address it.
Lord bless you
And he ends his letter with pretense that he thinks will make him sound "holy." The passive aggressive attitude he has is a form of what the Bible calls "murmuring."
Do all things without murmurings and disputings:
-Phil 2:14
Cal, have you listened to anything I teach? Why did you come here? Because, after this post, it doesn't sound at all like you want to have any fellowship with us, and it certainly doesn't sound like you have much like-mindedness with us.
Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.
-Phil 2:2
