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General Discussion / Re: Did the moon landing occur?
« on: January 29, 2023, 01:35:22 PM »
It's all just another giant money laundering scheme.
Lots of fake science thrown in too.
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Introduce Yourself / Re: Hello there
« on: January 23, 2023, 03:17:38 PM »
Welcome from me too Morgan. That was a brilliant read and certainly wasn't too long. It's always interesting to read others experiences and their account of how they came to repentance and found true salvation in Christ. I hope with us here you have finally found what you were looking for. It is refreshing to find somewhere that has true Bible teaching and none of the dishonesty and manipulations that goes on in the usual church buildings.
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General Discussion / Re: Biblical Cosmology
« on: January 06, 2023, 02:45:24 PM »
It is interesting when topics come up like this where it is necessary to give proofs for why we believe certain things and as we have found out over time that needs to be done for everything rather than blindly trusting what we have been told.
An indication that the earth revolves around the sun is shown by the analemma which is the pattern described in the sky when you photograph the Sun at the same exact time every day for a year, you get something that's shaped like a figure 8.
The explanation for the analemma can be found here:
https://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2009/08/26/why-our-analemma-looks-like-a
An indication that the earth revolves around the sun is shown by the analemma which is the pattern described in the sky when you photograph the Sun at the same exact time every day for a year, you get something that's shaped like a figure 8.
The explanation for the analemma can be found here:
https://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2009/08/26/why-our-analemma-looks-like-a
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General Discussion / Re: There goes pope "Heil"
« on: January 02, 2023, 03:28:28 PM »Well not only that, but of all the apostles to try to claim "this was the first pope"...why would you pick someone who is documented as denying Christ with an oath, lost faith when he tried to walk on water, was rebuked by Christ and Paul, was told "Get thee behind me Satan" by Christ when he tried to rebuke the prophecy of the crucifiction? Don't get me wrong, Peter is a brother in Christ, he preached the gospel and paid a price for it when he was crucified upside down, but he had nothing to do with the roman catholic church, (apparently there was no evidence that Peter ever even went to Rome). If they'd thought about it, they would have done better trying to claim John as the first pope, the one who wrote the book of Revelation.
Also something of a problem that the title of nun, monk or pope is never mentioned in the entire bible.
I wouldn't go with the part about Peter being crucified upside down though as the Bible doesn't document that and it is quite probably folklore.
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General Discussion / Re: There goes pope "Heil"
« on: January 02, 2023, 02:06:53 AM »
Also for those who want to think that Peter is some rock that the church is founded on then they might be best to read in the gospel of John of the name and description that Jesus gave to Peter.
John 1 King James Version
40 One of the two which heard John speak, and followed him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother.
41 He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ.
42 And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.
A stone is way smaller than a rock.
John 1 King James Version
40 One of the two which heard John speak, and followed him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother.
41 He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ.
42 And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.
A stone is way smaller than a rock.
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General Discussion / Re: Our pets in heaven
« on: December 26, 2022, 03:14:52 PM »
The sad part about people having pets. The day will come one day when the pet has reached the end of it's life, it might take a long time, but eventually that day will come.
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Bible Discussion / The Gospel Message
« on: December 19, 2022, 11:01:01 PM »
Most of us have met the people who claim to be Christians and their explanation for being a Christian is based on their belief that Jesus died on the cross for the forgiveness of their sin but there is little evidence of repentance in their lives. It is interesting that in the gospels Jesus sent his disciples out to preach the gospel in the towns and Jesus also taught the gospel in the temple.
Luke 9 King James Version
1 Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases.
2 And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.
3 And he said unto them, Take nothing for your journey, neither staves, nor scrip, neither bread, neither money; neither have two coats apiece.
4 And whatsoever house ye enter into, there abide, and thence depart.
5 And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them.
6 And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.
Luke 20 King James Version
1 And it came to pass, that on one of those days, as he taught the people in the temple, and preached the gospel, the chief priests and the scribes came upon him with the elders,
2 And spake unto him, saying, Tell us, by what authority doest thou these things? or who is he that gave thee this authority?
At this time that the gospel was being taught to the people, no-one knew that Jesus was going to be crucified as the sacrificial lamb for the beginning of the new covenant, so the only message that must have been preached was the same as that of John the Baptist and that being repentance. As we know the disciples were horrified when eventually Jesus let them know that he was going to be put to death in Jerusalem.
Over the last few days I have read Chris' online book again
There is No Saving Grace Without Repentance
https://creationliberty.com/articles/repent.php
and in places it comes close to showing this but continues in another relevant direction. I thought I would post this just in case it was useful even for extra teaching in the book. Of course later the relevance of Jesus' crucifixion and rising from the dead did have to be factored in with the coming to repentance as highlighted in the Book of Acts.
Luke 9 King James Version
1 Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases.
2 And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.
3 And he said unto them, Take nothing for your journey, neither staves, nor scrip, neither bread, neither money; neither have two coats apiece.
4 And whatsoever house ye enter into, there abide, and thence depart.
5 And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them.
6 And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.
Luke 20 King James Version
1 And it came to pass, that on one of those days, as he taught the people in the temple, and preached the gospel, the chief priests and the scribes came upon him with the elders,
2 And spake unto him, saying, Tell us, by what authority doest thou these things? or who is he that gave thee this authority?
At this time that the gospel was being taught to the people, no-one knew that Jesus was going to be crucified as the sacrificial lamb for the beginning of the new covenant, so the only message that must have been preached was the same as that of John the Baptist and that being repentance. As we know the disciples were horrified when eventually Jesus let them know that he was going to be put to death in Jerusalem.
Over the last few days I have read Chris' online book again
There is No Saving Grace Without Repentance
https://creationliberty.com/articles/repent.php
and in places it comes close to showing this but continues in another relevant direction. I thought I would post this just in case it was useful even for extra teaching in the book. Of course later the relevance of Jesus' crucifixion and rising from the dead did have to be factored in with the coming to repentance as highlighted in the Book of Acts.
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General Discussion / Re: There's such a thing as "long flu" now.
« on: November 26, 2022, 03:35:19 PM »That was one of the first things I looked up in early to mid 2020, when the C19 symptoms were described as basically being identical to having influenza...the statistics said that influenza cases had dropped by 99.9%. I wish I'd saved the article but even others I asked about it would come up with all kinds of excuses including "oh, it's thanks to the lockdowns, social distancing, masks and sanitizer that it's gone down so much."
I mean, they didn't even TRY fudging the figures to make it look legitimate, if it was a drop of 50 to 70% then that could be explained away but to have it almost eradicated? Nup, I smell something super fishy.
There was a banner going around facebook, and I think it's quite accurate. "You didn't trust the science, you trusted the TV." And too many people did.
Yes, you are correct about everything there. The other thing about influenza is that no "virus" has ever been isolated and proven to exist and the same is true for all other "viruses". In the 1918 - 1920's period they did a lot of studies on influenza and one of the things they proved is that influenza can not be passed from one person to another. Over the decades the politicians and the medical establishment and the media have conveniently failed to pay any attention to those findings. No "vaccine" has ever protected anybody from anything either and it is all a great big scam.
I tried to put in an image I have of trusted TV not the science but I can't see how to insert an image that is stored on my hard drive. Will be good if you do get on Telegram.
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Law/Legal / Re: 911 calls for 2A rights being exercised
« on: November 21, 2022, 02:13:43 PM »
Hi Chris Australia
I have been meaning to join in on some of your conversations for a while but time has been hard to find.
I'm Kevin and live in Dunedin, New Zealand. Yes, it's a very bad thing that New Zealanders have had most of their firearms taken away. I'm hoping that with any changes coming about here in the future then it will become a right for New Zealanders to own and open carry firearms. Except for certain criminals who are deemed untrustworthy and would be forbidden.
although I check the forum here every day it has been rather quiet because with all that is going on we are mainly communicating on Telegram. Don't leave us though because you seem to fit in very well with the rest of us.
I have been meaning to join in on some of your conversations for a while but time has been hard to find.
I'm Kevin and live in Dunedin, New Zealand. Yes, it's a very bad thing that New Zealanders have had most of their firearms taken away. I'm hoping that with any changes coming about here in the future then it will become a right for New Zealanders to own and open carry firearms. Except for certain criminals who are deemed untrustworthy and would be forbidden.
although I check the forum here every day it has been rather quiet because with all that is going on we are mainly communicating on Telegram. Don't leave us though because you seem to fit in very well with the rest of us.
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Bible Discussion / Re: Evil Spirits & Souls Passing Through Water
« on: October 22, 2022, 04:37:17 PM »This has been an interesting read. To go along with what others have said about the dead in the sea being those who died there, this description in Revelation 8 also points to even more people dying in the water in the last times:
8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; 9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed. 10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; 11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.
-Revelation 8:8-11
Yes, the tsunami from something as large as a mountain being thrown in to the sea is going to be enormous and will go right around the world causing absolute chaos but especially in those places that have coast lines facing the impact point. Hence they will be totally wiped out with no warning for any kind of evacuation. There was even a concern for me here in Dunedin, New Zealand when the volcano was erupting in Hawaii because of that area called the Hilina Slump and if those trillions of tons of mountain had slid in to the sea the tsunami would cause massive damage to New Zealand as well as wiping Honolulu and San Diego and much of Los Angeles off the map. At the time I made sure I took my personal property home from work because if the tsunami had hit it would wipe out much of the city here because it is only about three feet above sea level. I live up on the hills two hundred metres which is six hundred feet above sea level.
It is interesting for this reason why Israel is situated where it is, because for a tsunami to reach Israel it would have to pass through the very narrow Straits of Gibraltar and that basically just wouldn't happen.
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Bible Discussion / Re: Evil Spirits & Souls Passing Through Water
« on: October 22, 2022, 04:20:36 PM »How come some people are stuck in the sea and not in Hell with everyone else who died in their sin?
Why are the dead called out of the sea for judgement, but not out of the mountains and out of the desert and out of the jungle?
Why are some of the dead in Hell AND some in the sea?
Maybe this question feels personal to me because I spent a lot of time down in the oceans and seas around the world and I feel akin to the many submariners who died there.
As in my last posting though, I'm wondering if the ones called out of the sea are those mentioned in 1 Peter who were disobedient in the time that Noah was building the Ark.
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Bible Discussion / Re: Evil Spirits & Souls Passing Through Water
« on: October 19, 2022, 03:46:10 AM »
With regards to
Revelation 20 King James Version
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Just by coincidence I happened to start reading 1 Peter next after my posting of the above.
It seems like those who were unrighteous and died in the flood were sent to a place of prison as a separate group of people than those unrighteous who had died up until that time. Of course all those who died in the flood died in the sea, because the whole face of the earth was covered by the sea. Hence the sea giving up the dead figuratively.
1 Peter 3 King James Version
17 For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.
It would seem as though Peter is just repeating himself in the next chapter below, but above he made a distinction about those who were around when the Ark was being built and not just the fact that they were people who were dead.
1 Peter 4 King James Version
3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:
4 Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:
5 Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
With Death and Hell giving up the dead that was in them, I take it that means Paradise and Hell. Paradise being described as Death because those in Paradise were still subject to death in the body.
As a side issue, it would be interesting to know if prophets were sent to the people before Noah preached to them and what scriptural writings they might have had in those days. Also any ordinances that God had set for the people but were ignored, much the same as Israel went off track and stopped the morning and evening oblation etc.
Revelation 20 King James Version
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Just by coincidence I happened to start reading 1 Peter next after my posting of the above.
It seems like those who were unrighteous and died in the flood were sent to a place of prison as a separate group of people than those unrighteous who had died up until that time. Of course all those who died in the flood died in the sea, because the whole face of the earth was covered by the sea. Hence the sea giving up the dead figuratively.
1 Peter 3 King James Version
17 For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.
It would seem as though Peter is just repeating himself in the next chapter below, but above he made a distinction about those who were around when the Ark was being built and not just the fact that they were people who were dead.
1 Peter 4 King James Version
3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:
4 Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:
5 Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
With Death and Hell giving up the dead that was in them, I take it that means Paradise and Hell. Paradise being described as Death because those in Paradise were still subject to death in the body.
As a side issue, it would be interesting to know if prophets were sent to the people before Noah preached to them and what scriptural writings they might have had in those days. Also any ordinances that God had set for the people but were ignored, much the same as Israel went off track and stopped the morning and evening oblation etc.
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Bible Discussion / Re: Evil Spirits & Souls Passing Through Water
« on: October 18, 2022, 04:19:30 AM »Sorry, that's probably got a bit off-topic. If people want to debate or discuss cosmology a little more, it would probably be better to start a separate thread. But since Anna brought it up, and Joshua also addressed it, I found myself wanting to share a few thoughts of my own on this subject.
My apologies, I didn’t mean for my post to detract from Kevin’s original topic, I was just wanting to give my thoughts about the conversation Kevin and Joshua had about Exodus 20:4. I agree that if people want to discuss Biblical cosmology further then it should be done on a separate thread. Very sorry, Kevin!
No problem to all of you. That's how discussion goes.
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Bible Discussion / Re: Evil Spirits & Souls Passing Through Water
« on: October 16, 2022, 02:47:14 AM »
I've done some more thinking and reading on what the answer might be to this topic in 1 Peter, but at the moment I would rather hold back for a few days on a deeper discussion related to death and dying.
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Bible Discussion / Re: Evil Spirits & Souls Passing Through Water
« on: October 14, 2022, 05:14:57 PM »Very intriguing! I have always found the reference to water in the second of the ten commandments unexpected. (Pretty sure it's talking about the sea, right?)
"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:" - Exodus 20:4
As I understand it, graven images are forbidden for spiritual entities. So making no graven images of things 'in the water under the earth' seems to indicate there are spiritual entities there.
Thinking about this is gonna increase my fear of the ocean; it's not nearly as boring as I once thought. Very vast and mysterious.
Thanks for that Joshua. That is interesting. There is likely/possibly also a very large body of water that is under the crust of the earth. When the evil spirits in the swine didn't want to be sent in to the deep, I'm still not sure if they meant the deep water or deep in to the earth. By that I don't mean in to water deep in the earth.
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Bible Discussion / Re: Evil Spirits & Souls Passing Through Water
« on: October 14, 2022, 05:10:15 PM »That is an interesting question.
How come some souls not in Hell but in the sea when judgement day starts?
I don't recall anywhere in Scripture where the sea is described as a place of tranquility, (except when Jesus forced it to calm down), or a nice place to be when worshipping the Lord..
From what I have seen, way back in those days, just like today, when those in certain political positions thought they were God and had total control, the talk among the people was that if they were God then they would have the power to control both the wind and the sea also. They all knew that a person had no control whatsoever over the wind and the sea. Along comes Jesus. Here was a man who had total control over the wind and the sea.
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Bible Discussion / Evil Spirits & Souls Passing Through Water
« on: October 14, 2022, 04:36:59 AM »
When I read Revelation I'm always puzzled about the sea giving up the dead that were in it and it is counted as a separate event than death and hell delivering up the dead which were in them. It almost seems as if a soul or a spirit cannot pass through water.
Revelation 20 King James Version
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Looking further we read that when an evil spirit is gone out of a person then they walk through dry places and in both instances below it makes a point of mentioning dry places as opposed to just walking around.
Matthew 12 King James Version
43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.
Luke 11 King James Version
24 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.
25 And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished.
26 Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.
In the account below, Jesus gives instruction to the evil spirit that it is not permitted to enter in to the boy any more which is contrary to what they normally would do. Possibly because of the boy's age because he had not yet reached the age of accountability.
Mark 9 King James Version
20 And they brought him unto him: and when he saw him, straightway the spirit tare him; and he fell on the ground, and wallowed foaming.
21 And he asked his father, How long is it ago since this came unto him? And he said, Of a child.
22 And ofttimes it hath cast him into the fire, and into the waters, to destroy him: but if thou canst do any thing, have compassion on us, and help us.
23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.
24 And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.
25 When Jesus saw that the people came running together, he rebuked the foul spirit, saying unto him, Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him.
In the accounts below though, Jesus didn't command the evil spirits that they were not to enter in to those set free again but they were allowed to enter in to the swine. I assume though that when the swine would have died by slaughter or other natural means then the evil spirits would be able to leave the swine and enter in to a person which is something I'm sure they would like to do.
Matthew 8 King James Version
28 And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.
29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
30 And there was a good way off from them an herd of many swine feeding.
31 So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.
32 And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.
Mark 5 King James Version
2 And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,
3 Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains:
4 Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him.
5 And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones.
6 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,
7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.
8 For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.
9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.
10 And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country.
11 Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding.
12 And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them.
13 And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand;) and were choked in the sea.
But in this account below the evil spirits were concerned about being sent in to the deep. I wonder if the reason for that is because once they are in the water there is no way for them to ever get the freedom they need in order to inhabit another person. Unbeknown to them, they were heading for the deep whether they liked it or not.
Luke 8 King James Version
26 And they arrived at the country of the Gadarenes, which is over against Galilee.
27 And when he went forth to land, there met him out of the city a certain man, which had devils long time, and ware no clothes, neither abode in any house, but in the tombs.
28 When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not.
29 (For he had commanded the unclean spirit to come out of the man. For oftentimes it had caught him: and he was kept bound with chains and in fetters; and he brake the bands, and was driven of the devil into the wilderness.)
30 And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him.
31 And they besought him that he would not command them to go out into the deep.
32 And there was there an herd of many swine feeding on the mountain: and they besought him that he would suffer them to enter into them. And he suffered them.
33 Then went the devils out of the man, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the lake, and were choked.
So not just evil spirits but also maybe the souls of men that if they die in the water then they remain where they are until they are recovered from the sea for judgement. I don't think it's a major doctrine or anything but I do think it's interesting.
Revelation 20 King James Version
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Looking further we read that when an evil spirit is gone out of a person then they walk through dry places and in both instances below it makes a point of mentioning dry places as opposed to just walking around.
Matthew 12 King James Version
43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.
Luke 11 King James Version
24 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.
25 And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished.
26 Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.
In the account below, Jesus gives instruction to the evil spirit that it is not permitted to enter in to the boy any more which is contrary to what they normally would do. Possibly because of the boy's age because he had not yet reached the age of accountability.
Mark 9 King James Version
20 And they brought him unto him: and when he saw him, straightway the spirit tare him; and he fell on the ground, and wallowed foaming.
21 And he asked his father, How long is it ago since this came unto him? And he said, Of a child.
22 And ofttimes it hath cast him into the fire, and into the waters, to destroy him: but if thou canst do any thing, have compassion on us, and help us.
23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.
24 And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.
25 When Jesus saw that the people came running together, he rebuked the foul spirit, saying unto him, Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him.
In the accounts below though, Jesus didn't command the evil spirits that they were not to enter in to those set free again but they were allowed to enter in to the swine. I assume though that when the swine would have died by slaughter or other natural means then the evil spirits would be able to leave the swine and enter in to a person which is something I'm sure they would like to do.
Matthew 8 King James Version
28 And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.
29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
30 And there was a good way off from them an herd of many swine feeding.
31 So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.
32 And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.
Mark 5 King James Version
2 And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,
3 Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains:
4 Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him.
5 And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones.
6 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,
7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.
8 For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.
9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.
10 And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country.
11 Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding.
12 And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them.
13 And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand;) and were choked in the sea.
But in this account below the evil spirits were concerned about being sent in to the deep. I wonder if the reason for that is because once they are in the water there is no way for them to ever get the freedom they need in order to inhabit another person. Unbeknown to them, they were heading for the deep whether they liked it or not.
Luke 8 King James Version
26 And they arrived at the country of the Gadarenes, which is over against Galilee.
27 And when he went forth to land, there met him out of the city a certain man, which had devils long time, and ware no clothes, neither abode in any house, but in the tombs.
28 When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not.
29 (For he had commanded the unclean spirit to come out of the man. For oftentimes it had caught him: and he was kept bound with chains and in fetters; and he brake the bands, and was driven of the devil into the wilderness.)
30 And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him.
31 And they besought him that he would not command them to go out into the deep.
32 And there was there an herd of many swine feeding on the mountain: and they besought him that he would suffer them to enter into them. And he suffered them.
33 Then went the devils out of the man, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the lake, and were choked.
So not just evil spirits but also maybe the souls of men that if they die in the water then they remain where they are until they are recovered from the sea for judgement. I don't think it's a major doctrine or anything but I do think it's interesting.
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Wild Emails @ CLE / Re: Worshiper of Sabbath Shows True Colors
« on: October 11, 2022, 06:37:44 PM »
He's just another one. I thought the "woe" part was pretty funny and fitting too before you wrote about it later.
I hope as a result of the communication he sorts himself out. It's not like it's difficult.
I hope as a result of the communication he sorts himself out. It's not like it's difficult.
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Wild Emails @ CLE / Re: An Example of a Letter I Won't Answer
« on: October 09, 2022, 04:05:54 PM »
Yes. Trying to enter in to a dialogue with him wouldn't be a lot of fun and would likely be nothing but worthless contention.
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Introduce Yourself / Re: Introduction
« on: October 07, 2022, 04:32:30 PM »
His Roman Catholic comments certainly gave the impression that he hadn't followed up on the teachings clearly and Biblically exposing Roman Catholicism which should have been of a major interest to him.