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Wild Emails @ CLE / Re: Another Worshiper of Feelings
« on: January 09, 2023, 01:33:50 AM »
That's accurate. They think the simple word 'tongue' must have some mysticism at its core, when all of them have one in their mouths. ::) It's just amazing to me how many of them refer back to the Day of Pentecost, even though NONE of them today are doing what they did at Pentecost, because that would require an actual miracle. ???

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Wild Emails @ CLE / Re: Another Worshiper of Feelings
« on: January 04, 2023, 07:23:17 AM »
I'm used to oddities when I receive letters, but this was unique in a number of ways.

I have been perusing your website today.
At least she was more honest than others. She was straight-forward and admitted that she hadn't seen much. Likely, she was just skimming through a few things until she came across something she didn't like.

I was thrilled to see that we agree on almost everything then...speaking in tongues. I speak in tongues.
No, she doesn't. She uses baby gibberish and, perhaps, prances around the room with emotion, but she doesn't speak in tongues as they did in Scripture. She just calls it "speaking in tongues" because of her upbringing.

I am 50 and was given this Gift in my early 20's.
I disagree. I think she was given the gift when she was a baby. That's why it's called "baby gibberish."

I was raised in the E.Free church
I must confess that I have no idea "E.Free" means, and frankly, I don't care because it's probably more denominational nonsense.
Denominations Are Unbiblical

attended Bible College, have attended many churches and even a Pentecostal school in Tampa.
Again, I appreciate her forthcoming manner because it solved a lot of mysteries without having to deduce much. She's 50. She's attended corrupt seminaries and Pentecostal schools. She has been corrupted with the religious traditions of men, and for someone her junior in age to correct her is simply abhorrent to her, especially when she has been lifted up in the pride of her heart to believe she has special powers from God.

At this point in the letter, I knew she wasn't going to listen to a word I said to her, which leaves us with an interesting conundrum: Why is she writing to me? Why not just move on? The only logical reason she would have to write to me is because she wants me to change my teaching on speaking in tongues so she doesn't have to suffer any rebuke.
Correction is grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: and he that hateth reproof shall die.
-Pro 15:10

It's as simple as that. If there is any other reason for this letter, I invited her to explain it to me, but her one-line offended response told me I hit the nail on the head, and so rather than examine her own foolishness, she choose to attack me to make herself feel justified. This is dime-a-dozen in emails I get. ::)

Shortly after that I left the church for 20 years because all of it left me uneasy. I stopped using my tongues for a long time. Then sometimes I would do it to entertain my daughters when they were young.
I was floored when she said this. She claims she received a spiritual gift of speaking in tongues, and then, used it to entertain. She's either not taking the Word of God very seriously, or she thinks that her so-called "spiritual gift" is a joke. Take that philosophy in combination with the pride of having "spiritual powers," and you get a letter like this.

I didn't even teach them about God because I just didn't know... I lost my faith. I felt grieved but one cannot force faith.
See what I mean? She claims she had "lost her faith," but still spoke in tongues to entertain her children, which requires faith. There are so many contradictory statements in her letter, it's baffling. However, please note that Janna would absolutely REFUSE to accept what I taught for a very important reason: If what I am teaching is correct according to God's Word, then she would have to be humbled to admit she had embarrassed herself repeatedly in front of her family, and based on the short letters she sent me, I don't think that's going to happen.

This also gives me some indication that she's never come to repentance of her sins. I'm not sure about that because the information in this letter is limited, but pride and humility are polar opposites, which means she probably needs to read this more than anything:
Why Millions of Believers on Jesus Are Going to Hell

Then because I was an activist against industrial wind I found myself walking in San Francisco in the Spring of 2019 and God dropped Romans 1:25 in my heart. It was a seed that grew mighty. My daughters and my husband now believe. My faith in Him and His Word is my measure for everything.
So she claims she was raised with faith in God through Pentecostalism, then lost faith in God. I would argue there was no faith there because Pentecostals worship a false god. But then... what brought her to faith was activism against "industrial wind," which I am assuming is not industrial flatulence, but rather, against the wind turbines. As much as I am against wind turbines (because they are inefficient, spending more than you get, and a blight on the local ecology), geopolitical "activism" doesn't save people, or Jesus would have recommended the apostles go out and do that to save souls. ???

I use my Gift of tongues when I am alone and when I don't have the words.
Strange... when I'm alone and I don't have words, I just shut up. Seems like the logical solution. :-\ I don't know why she feels the need to keep talking at that point.

I have, at times, been able to find peace when my head is full of so many thought and words that I can't keep them straight. It is like my spirit speaks words from my heart directly to Him yet bypasses my head.
Hold on. You just said you don't have the words, but then said that your head is full of so many thoughts and words that you can't keep them straight. Well, a normal person would take a deep breath, calm down, and start with one at a time.

My contention is that she thinks that, while she is confused, God can't help her out in English, a language she understands. ???

I have seen this gift misused greatly in the church and have known people who would pretend to have this Gift to be accepted in certain circles.
I have no doubt that she's seen baby gibberish misused. I've seen it misused too, and it keeps parents up when they would like to get another hour of sleep.

You seem to think tongues are "gibberish" but I listen to mine and they are defined.
This shows me that she read the title of my article, and wrote me this email. She didn't read it or listen to the teaching. They love to act like they're open to hearing things and reasoning together, at least, in the first letter. Then, once their philosophy and intentions have been challenged, we get to see a new side of them.

My mind can think during them. I can sing with them. Now they are almost normal and I will use them almost offhandedly while I am thinking of the things of God.
Babies can think when they do it too. Babies sing with it too. When the Pentecostals summon up their demonic spirits to do it, it's not as if they lose their ability to think, and they sing with it as well. I don't know what point she's trying to make here.

That is my testimony of that. Obviously, you do not have to believe me but please do not throw it away because of the sin of others. Please talk to the Spirit and reconsider your stance.
I repeated this line back to her and she got upset. Maybe she shouldn't dish out what she can't take.

But one difference I want everyone to notice is that when she wrote to me, she said to "talk to the Spirit," but when I wrote to her, I told her to talk to the Lord God and search the Scriptures. HUGE DIFFERENCE. Essentially, she wanted me to get a Joseph-Smith-style "feeling in the bosom" like she does, because that's what the Pentecostals taught her to do, and thus, the god she is worshiping is the emotions of her heart, not based on the written Word of God and His instruction to us.

Thanks for all your great information, your words have blessed me!
What? She only skimmed through a few things in a short amount of time in one day. Based on how quickly she turned on me, I am almost fully convinced this was just some flattering words. To me, it's sickening when people offer flattery, especially when done deceitfully like this.
They speak vanity every one with his neighbour: with flattering lips and with a double heart do they speak.
-Psa 12:2


Let's summarize. Janna wrote this letter to rebuke and correct me. She didn't want to say that, but that's what it was for. However, what was her evidence for correction? Did she quote me and then quote the Scriptures to correct me? Nope. She offered her feelings, and that tells us everything we need to know about what she really worships.

Remember, doing the right thing does not always mean that you will appear "nice" in the eyes of others. Good things can come in packages that seem harmful, and bad things can come in packages that seem wonderful.
But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we. For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
-2Co 11:12-15


She then signed her name, and said:
This is my real name, real location. I can be Googled because of my activism.
Well, since she offered it, and since she makes her name public in a number of articles she's written on the subject (and she's a member of public boards overseeing such matters), her name is Janna Swanson, and here's a sample:
https://www.farmprogress.com/energy/industrial-wind-farms-horrible-nuisance

When we read things like this, we never stop and consider that some of these people perform rituals of Satanic gibberish in their households. If she wants to speak gobbledygook to God, she's free to do so (i.e. it is none of my business what you do between you and God personally in your own prayer time), but if Janna wants me to teach that to other people, she'll need to find somewhere else to go. I hope her and her family are well cared for during the rough coming year.

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Wild Emails @ CLE / Another Worshiper of Feelings
« on: January 04, 2023, 06:36:50 AM »

JANNA FROM IOWA:

I have been perusing your website today. I was thrilled to see that we agree on almost everything then...speaking in tongues. I speak in tongues. I am 50 and was given this Gift in my early 20's. I was raised in the E.Free church, attended Bible College, have attended many churches and even a Pentecostal school in Tampa. Shortly after that I left the church for 20 years because all of it left me uneasy. I stopped using my tongues for a long time. Then sometimes I would do it to entertain my daughters when they were young. I didn't even teach them about God because I just didn't know... I lost my faith. I felt grieved but one cannot force faith.

Then because I was an activist against industrial wind I found myself walking in San Francisco in the Spring of 2019 and God dropped Romans 1:25 in my heart. It was a seed that grew mighty. My daughters and my husband now believe. My faith in Him and His Word is my measure for everything.

I use my Gift of tongues when I am alone and when I don't have the words. I have, at times, been able to find peace when my head is full of so many thought and words that I can't keep them straight. It is like my spirit speaks words from my heart directly to Him yet bypasses my head.

I have seen this gift misused greatly in the church and have known people who would pretend to have this Gift to be accepted in certain circles.

You seem to think tongues are "gibberish" but I listen to mine and they are defined. My mind can think during them. I can sing with them. Now they are almost normal and I will use them almost offhandedly while I am thinking of the things of God.

That is my testimony of that. Obviously, you do not have to believe me but please do not throw it away because of the sin of others. Please talk to the Spirit and reconsider your stance. Thanks for all your great information, your words have blessed me!

Janna
This is my real name, real location. I can be Googled because of my activism.



I have been perusing your website today. I was thrilled to see that we agree on almost everything then...speaking in tongues. I speak in tongues. I am 50 and was given this Gift in my early 20's. I was raised in the E.Free church, attended Bible College, have attended many churches and even a Pentecostal school in Tampa. Shortly after that I left the church for 20 years because all of it left me uneasy. I stopped using my tongues for a long time. Then sometimes I would do it to entertain my daughters when they were young. I didn't even teach them about God because I just didn't know... I lost my faith. I felt grieved but one cannot force faith.
I'm sorry, but I need to stop for a moment. Why are you telling me all this?

Then because I was an activist against industrial wind I found myself walking in San Francisco in the Spring of 2019 and God dropped Romans 1:25 in my heart. It was a seed that grew mighty. My daughters and my husband now believe. My faith in Him and His Word is my measure for everything.
Yeah, everyone says that. What they do is a completely different matter.

I use my Gift of tongues when I am alone and when I don't have the words. I have, at times, been able to find peace when my head is full of so many thought and words that I can't keep them straight. It is like my spirit speaks words from my heart directly to Him yet bypasses my head.
If you want to go speak your baby gibberish to make your children laugh (or Satanic gibberish, whatever you want to call it) you are free to go do whatever you want. Again, I'm baffled as to why you are telling me all this. Is it that you want me to abandon the Word of God and make decisions on doctrine based on how you personally feel? ???
He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.
-Pro 28:26


I have seen this gift misused greatly in the church and have known people who would pretend to have this Gift to be accepted in certain circles.
You seem to think tongues are "gibberish" but I listen to mine and they are defined. My mind can think during them. I can sing with them. Now they are almost normal and I will use them almost offhandedly while I am thinking of the things of God.

Okay, so why are you writing all this to me? I still don't understand what your goal is, other than for you to express your feelings to try to get me to change my doctrine, that I might adhere to your Pentecostal upbringing. I'll just make it clear for you; that's not going to happen (because I base my teachings on God's Word, not on how you feel), so if you have another goal in mind, you need to state it clearly so I understand what you're doing because I don't want us to waste each others' time.

That is my testimony of that. Obviously, you do not have to believe me but please do not throw it away because of the sin of others. Please talk to the Spirit and reconsider your stance. Thanks for all your great information, your words have blessed me!
What you're doing is using baby gibberish and claiming that your feelings are the equivalent of the Holy Spirit, which is dangerous. That is my testimony of that. Obviously, you do not have to believe me, but please do not throw it away because of the traditions and rudiments of the world.
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
-Col 2:8

Please talk to the Lord God, search the Scriptures, and reconsider your stance.

This is my real name, real location. I can be Googled because of my activism.
Okay. Have a great day. :)


Wow, you are not a nice guy. By their fruits you will know them....


Jesus wasn't a very "nice" person either, at least, according to his opposition.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
-Mat 23:27


END OF DISCUSSION

There was A LOT of REALLY weird stuff that I did not respond to her about. I'll make another comment and go through some of those.

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Bible Discussion / Re: Matthew 16:18
« on: January 03, 2023, 07:17:21 PM »
And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
-1Co 10:14

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General Discussion / Re: There goes pope "Heil"
« on: December 31, 2022, 12:41:27 PM »
I have inevitable run-ins with Catholics every so often on social media. In every instance I can remember, just over the past year, I have gotten nothing but arrogance and hatred from them, while they accuse me of arrogance and hatred, even though I am the only one quoting Scripture that contradicts their statements in every encounter. That's not exaggeration. EVERY encounter.

Know your Scripture, especially the ones about works doctrine. Remember that they believe they have to work to get into heaven. Remember that there is nothing more loving than the truth, even if they get upset because of it.

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General Discussion / Re: Our pets in heaven
« on: December 26, 2022, 01:37:45 AM »
Why are you now wanting to remove the post? That doesn't make any sense. You don't have to give up.

If that's all you wanted, then that's all you needed to say. Just write, "I'm struggling with this because it's a pet that I've loved for 21 years; has anyone else had go through this? If so, what did you guys do?"

That would make much more sense. :)

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General Discussion / Re: Our pets in heaven
« on: December 25, 2022, 08:26:12 AM »
This is a very confusing post because, first of all, I have no idea why it is called "Our pets in heaven." Do you believe that animals have an eternal soul? ??? If so, would you give your Scriptural backing to that idea?

Furthermore, the word 'should' implies necessity. (e.g. "Im not sure whether I should do it") Thus, it sounds like you are posing a moral dilemma. If we are discussing right vs wrong on a particular subject, I'm uncertain what Scripture you are wanting to discuss about such a matter, or rather, what sin are you referring to concerning what you "should" do?

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General Discussion / Re: Our pets in heaven
« on: December 24, 2022, 10:47:51 PM »
???

Was there a question in there somewhere? Our thoughts on what exactly?

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Bible Discussion / Re: The Gospel Message
« on: December 19, 2022, 11:51:10 PM »
It's a good point, and something I could add to it. What is "preaching the gospel" BEFORE Jesus went to the cross? Impossible to explain without repentance. It's a valid question that I look forward to asking a churchgoer the next time I get the opportunity (which is extremely rare because they can't maintain a rational discussion for very long).

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What's New @ CLE / (FREE TO READ BOOK) False Prophet Profiles: Mark Taylor
« on: December 16, 2022, 02:58:54 PM »
False Prophet Profiles: Mark Taylor

Did you know that Mark Taylor prophesied that Donald Trump would become President of the United States in the 2012 election? Did you know that Taylor prophesied the toppling of the Washington Monument in Washington D.C. when Trump was elected President in 2016? Did you know that Taylor believes and teaches that you can cleanse your own sin through prayer? Did you know that if you speak against or question Taylor, he believes you are guilty of murder?












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Wild Emails @ CLE / Re: Define 'Tantrum'
« on: December 15, 2022, 09:42:53 PM »
I have doomed the free world. :-[

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Wild Emails @ CLE / Re: Define 'Tantrum'
« on: December 15, 2022, 09:21:58 PM »
I guess he wasn't done.  ::) He sent me another letter. By the way, I haven't responded to these. He's still venting.


P.S. I may have had a good day if I had gotten a YES or NO to my question from a man who I consider a brother in Christ. The fact that you didn't bother to do such a ridiculously small thing only tells me the real reason America is what it is today. I mean what could one expect from the world? So sad really...but I digress


So am I of "the world" or am I a brother in Christ? I don't get it. ???

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Wild Emails @ CLE / Re: Define 'Tantrum'
« on: December 15, 2022, 02:00:05 PM »

STAS RESPONDED:

Thank you.
When Paul rebuked Peter do you think Peter gave the same kind of answer?
I hope you will repent, as of now you do the same thing you rebuke
others for doing so in your teachings.




Stas has rebuked me for being a unrepentant hypocrite because I did not give him a one-word answer about Bitcoin.

I don't know what else to say. ???

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Wild Emails @ CLE / Define 'Tantrum'
« on: December 15, 2022, 11:26:00 AM »

STAS FROM REPUBLIC OF MOLDOVA

Peace be with you Chris Time wise I' ll be traight to the point. Do you know a brother that can help me with everithing BTC. Ex:  Some contact info so that I can talk to him on this topic. Please. Thank you for your time. May the Lord bless you and your family.


I'm sorry, but that is not what this ministry is for. You'll have to do research on your own.


Yes I understand, but I was hoping you would introduce me to a brother in the Lord that has advanced knowledge on this topic. Isn't that what we as brothers are supposed to do? help one another? It would take little to none of your time, neither hurt your ministry. BTW if your ministry is of the Lord is it a hard thing for a minister of God to give a short answer to a yes or no question? But instead you chose to write a long sentence just to let me know that you are not going to answer my question and sent me into the world to find information among the heathens. Now tell me if I judged you by the appearance? How about Hebrews 13:2 Matthew 5:42 Tet I did not ask for money or some big thing. The Lord rebuke thee.

P.S. How about the time you spend commenting on BTC on your Telegram Channel? If I didn't believe you were in the Lord I wouldn't even bother to contact you, let alone wasting time rebuking you, but now I have to, even to remind you that you are a person not a corporate entity, yet you replied like one. SHame on you.



Well, if I'm that evil, you should definitely depart from this ministry. If I were in your position, I wouldn't get information from someone as wicked as I am because I wouldn't trust it.

I hope you have a great day. :)

END OF DISCUSSION

And that's why I titled this post "Define 'Tantrum'." I mean that. Go look it up.
TRANSLATION: "Peace be with you... unless I don't get what I want!" Interesting... that's the exact philosophy of the mafia. ???

I want to be clear: My news channel is NOT part of my ministry. Yes, it's called "CLE News," but only because I didn't know what else to call it. In fact, if for any reason, that news channel gets in the way of my ministry, or starts causing problems like this, I'll shut it down in a heartbeat. I didn't start that channel for my benefit; I started it for others because I know we're in a war right now, and I just wanted to keep everyone informed so they can make wise decisions on what they ought to do depending on where they live.

I have made it clear before that I do NOT hand out financial advice, nor am I going to send you to someone to get financial advice. That is NOT what I am here to do in ministry. It is NOT what Jesus Christ called me to do.

If there is anyone reading this that does not like that, then I hope you depart in peace, and I wish you good health on your way.

Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.
-3Jo 1:2


If any of you want to discuss those matters on this forum, that's perfectly fine. In fact, that's the reason I created this forum, so Christians would have a place to have such discussions if they want to. These kinds of emails, however, I do not want to waste my time dealing with because I don't have time for these kinds of tantrums. I'm just about done with another book I'm going to release soon, so I'm going to get back to working on that now, and I hope everyone reading this has a great day today. :)

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Scott's Introduction
« on: December 12, 2022, 09:50:45 AM »
Sorry I'm late to the forum on this one, saw his original post and something didn't sit quite right on a quick skim through, was hoping it was just me missing something.
A lot of us here do not speak rashly, and go quiet when we see some things that are odd, even if we do not know how to explain them yet. I didn't respond to him initially either; as you can tell if you go look at the timeline. That is usually how you know that a number of us see something wrong with a new member; days go by and no one says anything, typically because they're waiting to see what someone else might say to them, or what the new member might say or do.

I'll give you an example. His first post was on Nov 28th. Tonya responded to him on Dec 5th, a week later, and he responded later that day, indicating that he was checking the forum daily that whole time. No one said a word for an entire week. Of course, you will have to ask everyone else their particular reasoning for that, but the first major red flag for me was his response to her, in which he started out saying:
"Thank you for welcoming me, Tonya"

I would presume the average person would not see anything wrong with his response. However, I thought about my perspective if I were joining, and I would wonder if anyone was active on the forum after a week of hearing nothing. Maybe there were not many people on it. I might even think that I did something wrong, or perhaps no one saw my post. However, those thoughts are analytical to factual data (i.e. objective thinking), and also inward judgment that I might be the cause of a problem.

These were NOT Scott's first thoughts. His first thought was more along the lines of, "It is wrong for these people not to welcome me in. Don't they understand how great I am? I will compliment this woman who did, so others will feel bad for not doing so." And the results of his attitude were seen the second he was challenged on something. Just look at my first response to him and tell me if you saw anything that was rude or unreasonable. In Scott's mind, he is holy, righteous, and intelligent, and if someone pulls the red carpet out of from under him by daring to question him, he will look down his nose at them as unholy people that are not worth his time.

Think about this for a moment: What if I am a false convert? What if there are others here who are false converts? Why would he not want to reason with us in order that we might be saved? However, people like Scott do not think like that because, typically, they do not carry understanding of the Word of God like they claim to.

He then did a lot of grandstanding, in which he was trying to make himself out to be some intellectually superior person that all of us should respect. He ended his (faulty) definition of repentance with the following words: "I prefer to have my faith built up in accordance with the knowledge of God's words."

To me, that was a strange addition. Instead of looking to see if Tonya agreed with his explanation, he started talking about his "preferences." We are called to following the doctrines of Jesus Christ in His Word. It is NOT a personal preference issue, so why would he say that he "prefers" it?

Furthermore, it was really weird because if you are coming to a place where everyone else claims to adhere to the Word of God, why would you need to say that? Would not your words and actions reflect that automatically? For example, if you went to a restaurant with a bunch of friends, and one of them said, "I prefer to eat food at this restaurant," would you not be confused by that statement? Is that not the reason you all came to the restaurant?

Scott speaks with a lot of pomp. So, to me, it was fairly clear from the start what he was doing, and I was not sure if he was just going to leave on his own because, often, someone who does not get attention will just depart to a place where he can get more of it. However, he kept pushing with us for a reason that I could only guess, but never know for sure (nor could I ask him because he is a proven liar).

We are typically more welcoming to an atheist than we are to a "Christian" who feigns humility. At least the atheist is more forthcoming with what he believes, even if he deceives himself. Each one of them thinks we cannot tell who they are by what they say, but we practice patience with them anyway in hope that they might be willing to hear the truth, just as the Lord has been patient with us. It is only when they start lying and railing that we have to cut things off.

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