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General Category => Introduce Yourself => Topic started by: Nate on May 14, 2019, 03:01:47 PM
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Hello everyone, my name is Nathan Beck (please call me Nate). I am a born again, Bible believing Christian, young earth Creationist, dinosaur enthusiast and Bible student. I am happy to be a part of Creation Liberty Forum :-)
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Hello Nate. You may want to read this first, which was sticky at the top of the board this is in:
All New Members (READ THIS FIRST!) (http://www.creationliberty.com/forum/index.php?topic=20.0)
Please don't just say "Hello." This forum isn't just some impersonal social media site. Keep in mind that we don't know who you are, and so writing a bit about yourself, your beliefs, how you found this site, why you joined, etc; all those types of details will help us get to know you a bit better, and we hope you enjoy conversing with born again Christians here.
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Welcome Nate. Yeah it would help us if you could tell us more about yourself. What can you tell us about how you got to be a young earth Creationist. You mentioned you read the King James in another thread. What led you to start reading that version?
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Thanks guys. I've been saved for over 18 years and my story of faith is pretty long, but I'll summarize as much as I can. First, I was raised in a broken home by a single mother until I was 12 years old. That's when my mom couldn't take my shoplifting and skipping school anymore and so hunted down my dad, found him and so left me with him for four years without sol much as a phone call. I was a pretty bad kid and had broken most of the ten Commandments before third grade.
At 12 years of age I had to spend alot of time getting to know my dad and a bunch of people who didn't mean a whole lot to me at all. But then one of them stood out! My grandmother (dad's mom) was/is a great Christian woman of the Pentecostal persuasion and that's when I got in church and started reading the Bible. She introduced me to God in a way that nobody ever had before and I found out a whole lot of things about my parents and how they turned their backs on God (and that's all I'm going to say about that here). To summarize those four years: I went to church, read the Bible, and still sinned ALOT. I've committed sins that would make some of you think you weren't that bad after all.
Ugh, writing this has brought back allot of bad memories and exhausted me a little. Lemme take a break for a minute or two
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Okay, so the first things to know about me is that I'm a bookworm and I love the unusual and paranormal and weird. In school, I devoured books on outerspace, Bigfoot, Loch Ness Monster, movies monsters, dinosaurs, haunted houses, Ghost stories, aliens and UFO's, the Holy Grail, the Ark of the Covenant, alchemy, pyramids, forbidden archaeology, lost cities, Mayan and Aztec studies, and other adventure and supernatural fare. Little did I know, God was being sneaky with all this lol. While reading all this junk I still had the Bible pretty much in the back of my head. And that's when it happened, I started diving into Biblical archaeology! Books by Nelson Glueck, William Albright, Ken Ham, Grant R. Jeffrey, John Hagee etc etc became my new reading material. All this and then I started listening to Johnny Cash and going to the Baptist Church with our neighbor Frances Porche, who I started out doing yard work for, and then we quickly became friends and talked about the Lord a lot and she invited me to start going to church with her. I've had so many Christian witnesses, let me tell ya folks. Not sure why, but God was out to get me one way or the other. I think my grandmother's prayers had alot to do with it. Ok, let me break here again please.
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Nate, I'm not sure if you realize this or not, but you have zero testimony of the Lord Jesus Christ in everything you wrote. Perhaps you don't understand yet, but many of the authors you said you read from, they're not of Christ, and neither was Johnny Cash. I mean, I'm not trying to put pressure on you to be some flawless writer; perhaps you were answering something specifically that I didn't realize from someone else, or was just relating where you came from, however... so far, I'm seeing someone who claims he's born again in Christ, but not seeing anything of the doctrine of Christ, repentance and faith, in what you're saying. I see a lot of the typical church-ianity stuff. Perhaps, as you post more here, I'll see something else because sometimes it's just a fluke, or an imprecision in writing, and I hope that is the case.
So far, it sounded like you were doing some bad stuff, then you got excited about God, and then suddenly you're a Christian? That's not how the Bible tells us men are saved. If you want to know more of what I'm talking about, this is a good place to start:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEI_H3QUb7Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEI_H3QUb7Q)
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I mentioned that I started listening to Johnny Cash. Haha, some of you have no clue and need that one explained. Around 16 years old I finally started to explore music and find what I liked myself instead of just mom's hard rock and Dad's honky tonk. Johnny Cash was my intro to music that I liked without any influence from anyone. Well, soon enough I started listening to Johnny's gospel songs (he was a Christian after all, if compromised a little) and those songs got me to thinking about the Lord and my condition. Ok let me summarize this: Grandma's testimony and prayers, Frances Porche's testimony, Johnny Cash's Gospel songs, wanting to see my parent's saved, my Mom getting on me about being a better person and enough Bible and academic and scientific knowledge to get a college degree at 18 years old, IT WAS TIME TO STOP RUNNING FROM GOD!
I went to that Baptist Church on that September night and I got this salvation thing done once and for all! I gave everything to Jesus Christ and I knew where I'd be going if I didn't. Bigfoot and Atlantis may or may not be real, but Jesus, angels, devils, and Heaven and Hell are! Praise God for His goodness and never giving up on me!
So, after I got saved, I devoured more books. I read everything Ken Ham, Chuck Missler, Peter Ruckman, James L. Melton, Kent Hovind, J. R. Church, Grant R. Jeffrey, Henry M. Morris, Benny Hinn, Billy Graham, Henry H. Halley, Clarence Larkin, C. I. Scofield etc had to offer. I like God's creation, I like dinosaurs, I like the King James Bible. I was reading Genesis chapter one and understood six days meant six days without help from Ken Ham or anybody else, so yeah, I'm a young earth Creationist. I started out reading a King James Bible and then compared it to the other junk, so yeah I'm King James Only. I know everything I've written here is extensive, and so much for "a summary" but I'm here to tell anybody, there is nothing worth running from God for! There is no reason not to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and get your life right! And there is no book better than a King James Bible and any Christian who isn't a Bible student is not only missing out, but is prolly not doing anything for God either.
Now, if anyone wants to jaw with me about dinosaurs, the six days, chemistry, Temple geometry, Satan's pipes and tabrets, Freemasonry, King James Bible history, or things that go bump in the night, let's jaw brother!
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Hi Christopher, yeah I was not finished writing. You guys asked me to tell you about myself and how I came to the Lord. This was the best I could do because my journey to the Lord was a rocky abd complex one. And of course many of the authors I mentioned were not of Christ! Allow me to finish please!
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It's a little disheartening that I come on here and share some pretty personal stuff and then my salvation and faith are doubted and questioned before I'm even finished. If that is the kind of behavior of the people on this site, then I'm out of here.
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What is it about social media that brings out the worst in Christians? Since I was berated before I even finished giving my testimony, I feel like the Lord is saying the same thing to me He did about deleting my Facebook! "Get rid of it!" So, how do you delete your account? I have real Christian friends in real life, so I really don't need this.
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I guess I'll just take this as, not a waste of time, but as a chance to practice some writing and revisit my testimony. Yeah "welcome Nate, it would help if you told us more about yourself. How did you come to be a young earth Creationist?" Oh wait, we didn't tell you? We're going to misjudge you before you're even finished writing. You guys need to check yourselves! I thank God I'm saved and I don't have to take or appreciate the self righteous tone in which I was talked to either. I have no patience for this Pharisaical anti-501c3 churches snobbery either. Ugh please just delete my account, thanks.
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Well if you think salvation is just some "thing", I don't think this is the right place for you either. If you want to leave, that's fine but we intend to be honest with you. Salvation is not some "thing". It's a serious matter with eternal consequences and we take it seriously enough to look for the evidence of that in people that join not to condemn anybody but to tell them the truth so that they might be saved. The reason this was brought up is because Chris cared enough for you to be honest with you. There's no reason to get offended for that.
Take some time to check out that link Chris posted before you decide to leave. If you still want to leave, then we can settle this peacefully.
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I know salvation is not some "thing" brother! It is EVERYTHING! IT IS JESUS CHRIST SAVING MY SOUL FROM HELL! I was just speaking in normal terms.
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How much more information do you guys require to believe I understand salvation? Want me to quote Romans 10, John 3:16-18, Acts 4:12? I confess that I was a rotten sinner who knew I was going to Hell if I didn't ask Jesus to save my soul, and believe and surrender to Him fully!
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And is the evidence of your salvation getting in a huff and yelling? Or shouldn't it be of patience and meekness of spirit? Which is it? I don't see any humility of repentance in you based on what you're writing and they way you write. That's our concern. I'm only seeing frustration and anger when it's completely unnecessary. Take some time, take a breath and come back with a clear head. A good way to take a moment would be to check out that link Chris posted on repentance lol. Come back and tell us what you think about it, hopefully in a more peaceful manner.
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I didn't realize you guys grilled people who joined the forum like this. I understand we need to be vigilant against false brethren. If I knew that going in, I would have just started my testimony with when I got saved and why I thought I needed saved to begin with. How do I delete all my previous comments and start over?
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I'm mainly frustrated because I'm typing on a smartphone, and have to recorrect autocorrect and typos every five words, and because I poured my heart out with my personal journey to Christ only to be criticized halfway through! That would frustrate anybody brother! Are you saying it's a sin to get frustrated? Even the Lord Jesus got frustrated with people!
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Can I ask, is criticizing a Christian before he's done writing and ignoring Proverbs 18:13 evidence of your salvation?
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Lol I'm reminded of the story Pete Ruckman told one time about a Charismatic who kept asking him how he got saved and then saying he couldn't be saved everytime Ruckman answered him. Ruckman was right about something else too. The people who give a Christian more trouble and strife in this life is other Christians. We really are the only army that shoots our own wounded.
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I no longer want this night time Ananias like interrogation, however. Please just delete my account. Thanks so much and know that living like a Pharisee will not get you any favors with the Lord Jesus you guys claim you believe in.
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Are you saying it's a sin to get frustrated? Even the Lord Jesus got frustrated with people!
Ecclesiastes 7:9 - Be not hasty in thy spirit to be angry: for anger resteth in the bosom of fools.
Proverbs 14:29 - He that is slow to wrath is of great understanding: but he that is hasty of spirit exalteth folly.
James 1:20 - For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.
Depends, but judge yourself with these verses in mind? But to answer your question on Proverbs 18:13, you've already said enough for me to see the works of the flesh working in you. All that was said is that you haven't shown the evidence yet of your conversion for us to believe you and it was done in a manner hopeful that you are of Christ only we were simply looking for that evidence. You were quick to anger and became a fool as the Bible calls it.
Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
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Please just delete my account.
I was working on the above while you continued to rage so I'm still going to post it. Depending on what happens next, I'll fix the problem. Have a nice day.
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Nate, you ought to write your entire testimony into one post instead of 15+ replies to your short summary. Read through other introduction posts and see that they are fairly long. We, or I,, enjoy reading the longer ones personally. Its hard to really understand you so people here are asking you questions trying to figure you out and understand you and you are just getting offended thinking everyone is judging you. Well, really judgment from other Christians is a good thing after all the Bible says to examine yourself. So read these replies and think about yourself and where you really stand.
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Wow, another one who came and left before I even saw his first post. It's good that we're weeding out the people who really don't belong here. However, I do feel sorry for those who mistakenly believe they are of Christ when they're not. I pray they find out how wrong they are before it's too late because, one way or another, they WILL know the truth.
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He emailed me after his last post. I stayed up 'til almost 3 AM (the time right now) answering his letter. I'm going to bed, and I'll let you guys know later if I hear back from him.
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Well, after praying about everything that happened, I realize I really shouldn't have gotten as upset as I did. The rules for this forum are a little stringent, but please allow me to correct myself and maybe clear some things up.
First, one thing the Lord made me realize from all this is that, when giving my testimony, I really don't need to give people my whole life story or what I was interested in BEFORE I got saved, as all that really doesn't matter. So let me state my salvation testimony once more without using any slang or incoherent words.
When I turned eighteen years old, knowing what I knew about what the Bible says about sin, repentance, Heaven and Hell and what the Lord Jesus Christ did for us, I finally decided I didn't want to run away from God anymore. I knew I was a sinner on my way to Hell and that Jesus Christ was my only hope. So I got down on my knees and confessed to the Lord that I was a sinner and that I believed Jesus died for me and I asked Him to save my soul and I surrendered my life to Him. God saved my soul that day and I had immediate assurance of salvation and obeyed the Lord in baptism shortly thereafter. Please forgive me for getting so upset Timothy and Chris and others. Jesus is the most important Person in my life and I get troubled and stressed out when people don't believe that I am saved, Blood bought and born again. So, I'm asking for another chance here. I love talking about God's word, creation and Bible prophecy and that's why I wanted to be a part of this forum. If you guys don't feel that I've earned another chance, I understand and you can delete my account. Just let me know. Thanks guys
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Im not a stranger to reacting emotionally and being quick to be angry so I can understand what your saying. Im still learning how to be more patient. Dont worry about anyone deleting your account. As far as Im concerned your welcome here. Im not mad at you. Just glad you came back peacefully.
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Thank you so much Timothy! I appreciate that and I am truly sorry for overreacting! God bless brother.
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Is there anyway I can get the posts deleted where I accused you of being Pharisees? That was a knee jerk reaction and not really fair, especially now that I've read your viewpoints on salvation, repentance etc.
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I've asked the Lord to forgive me for going on a rant like I did and not realizing that you guys just wanted me to be more clear on my testimony of salvation in our Lord. I feel pretty foolish. I apologize again.
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After reviewing all the guidelines and the rules for this forum, I no longer see a problem with following them. Thanks for your patience guys!
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Hi Nate
Welcome to the forum. It is good to see you come back with humility and also give a good written account of how you got saved. I hope things work out really well and you become an established long term part of the forum.
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Thank you Kevin! I really misjudged Chris and Timothy, and am glad God showed me that I was wrong to jump to conclusions :-)
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Is there anyway I can get the posts deleted where I accused you of being Pharisees? That was a knee jerk reaction and not really fair, especially now that I've read your viewpoints on salvation, repentance etc.
There is a way but I don't think it would be best. If we started deleting certain posts every time someone requests we would end up messing with the context and it would end up confusing readers who were not part of it. What's been said has been said. Let's just move on.
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Hi Nate,
Welcome to the forum, and thank you for your testimony. Praise God that He saved your soul, and that you continue to follow Him.
This really is a wonderful group here. Once you get to know everyone, you'll see what an amazing gift it is from God. :-)
My son and I are so thankful to have found this group, too. We've been here two and a half years.
Dee
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If you guys don't feel that I've earned another chance, I understand and you can delete my account. Just let me know. Thanks guys
Nate,
First, welcome. I hope this site will be a blessing to your soul.
You can't earn forgiveness. What kind of example would it be for us that deserved hell and were forgiven to deny you forgiveness.
Luke 17:3 KJV
Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
I believe what happened is in accordance with the commandment from God. You trespassed and were rebuked. I believe you had sorrow for your actions and apologized. We are commanded to forgive.
Mark 11:26 KJV
But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.
How can we ask for forgiveness in repentance and receive it, but deny others when they ask in the same manner?
I believe being excited and rushing to answer is something we have all been guilty of at some point, and I believe this is part of the issue above.
James 1:19 KJV
Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:
Proverbs 18:13 KJV
He that answereth a matter before he heareth it , it is folly and shame unto him.
Proverbs 18 is something you accused others of, but you had already said enough to be corrected. If any man currently espouses Graham or Cash, it is not a good fruit.
I'm glad you have taken time to reconsider and repented.
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Hi Nate,
Welcome to the forum, I'm very glad that you found it. It took me awhile to read every post on here. I would like to add Matthew 18:21-22 to Chris' post. "Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven." I would also like for you to catch up on Christopher's "Wolves in Costume" series, especially on those that you've mentioned. Be patient, there is much for you to learn here and it can be very overwhelming.
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Thank you all for the kind words and thank you Chris! Your passion for the word of God is inspiring.
Yep, Graham and Cash thought they could still be married to the world and live for Christ at the same time. Does NOT work! I have mixed feelings about Johnny Cash because his gospel songs (not all, but some) really helped me focus on the Lord. But at the end of the day, I give no one but God credit for leading me to a place of repentance! Once you surrender your life, mind and heart and your whole being to Christ, ALL that worldly stuff has to go! Cash should have switched to a full time gospel singer or hung up his guitar! As for Graham...ugh..never liked him. That dude never gave me anything I couldn't get by picking up a Bible and reading it out loud to myself in a mirror!
"Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him." 1 John 2:15.
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Remember when I said Nate had emailed me after he threw his tantrum? Let me publish this so you guys can see everything:
NATE FROM USA (he was afraid to say where he was from I suppose):
Wanted to say thank you for deleting my forum account.
What? I didn't delete your forum account.
I also want to say that I truly am saved in the Lord Jesus Christ. I got frustrated and upset because halfway through giving my very personal testimony, I was attacked and criticized even though I made it clear in my comments that I was taking a break from writing.
What are you talking about? I haven't even seen anything on the forum since I posted my comment to you. I just now went to the forum to look, and I find it a bit strange that, instead of just making one post, you are making a bunch of short posts. That really disorganizes the conversation, and that's actually against the forum rules (click here to see for yourself). You can take your time with your thoughts, you don't have to rush anything, but if you write something and post it, we don't know when you're done with your thoughts. That's why you post one complete thought at a time. I understand if you are on a smart phone, but does your testimony of Christ matter so little to you that you wouldn't wait until you could sit down at a computer and write out everything slowly and thoughtfully? We're not in a hurry, we can wait.
I scrolled down to the bottom of the page, and though I haven't read all your short posts yet, it seems you have left in a tantrum. That's my first impression. In what way were you attacked? Are you harmed in some way in which someone has done some illegal or wrongful that needs to be addressed?
Sharing my personal testimony was not easy and you guys tore me apart before I even finished.
Testimony of what? I'll go back and read the stuff you wrote after I commented before I continue. As I said, "Perhaps, as you post more here, I'll see something else because sometimes it's just a fluke, or an imprecision in writing, and I hope that is the case." I meant that; perhaps there was something I missed because I don't believe I'm infallible. However, I went on to read some of your next post (the one after mine), and it seems my suspicions were initially correct. "I went to that Baptist Church on that September night and I got this salvation thing done once and for all!" Nate, "gettin' that thing done" is not how a man is born again in Christ, and just skimming through your posts... you never once asked me, or anyone else, what the Gospel is, so we could all have a discussion about it. Did you notice that you never once cared to know what we believe the Gospel to be? Do you not care what Scripture says about the matter? What if we were not born again in Christ, would not your conversation help to lead us to Christ? Do you not care about our souls? These are not rhetorical questions; I would like an answer if you're willing.
While I was skimming through, I did notice a false accusation you made, and I thought it prudent to bring that up with you. So far, you've shown me no attitude that you're interested in correction and instruction (Pro 15:10 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Proverbs-15-10/)), but perhaps I'm wrong about that too; we'll have to see. You said:
"I guess I'll just take this as, not a waste of time, but as a chance to practice some writing and revisit my testimony. Yeah "welcome Nate, it would help if you told us more about yourself. How did you come to be a young earth Creationist?" Oh wait, we didn't tell you? We're going to misjudge you before you're even finished writing."
That post you're referring to was made by Tim; he's been in our church for the past six years, and he's normally very quiet. He doesn't post much, but he must have had some desire to connect to you, so he wrote that to you, and until you made a post saying "We're going to misjudge you before you're even finished writing," he didn't respond to you because he was waiting until you were finished. (By the way, because you generalized your posts, you mocked EVERYONE on the forum who didn't even respond on that thread you started, and perhaps haven't even read it yet; people who you've never even spoken to, judging them in unrighteousness.) Tim didn't make any response for nine hours according to the forum timeline. Was that not enough time? No one else made any response to you during all your posts, but you just started throwing a fit, and the point is that your words are showing what's in your heart, that is, wickedness, in that there is no repentance there, and it was very easy to see from what you're writing:
But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
-Mat 15:18
The point I was trying to make to you is that, based on what you've written so far, I don't believe you've ever come to repentance, that is, grief and godly sorrow of wrongdoing, and we tell you that because we care about you. We love people enough to tell them the truth. And most church buildings DO NOT teach correct doctrine on repentance because they do not understand the fullness of the Gospel of Christ. I explain that in a lot more detail here, which is the link I gave you on the forum:
Is Repentance Part of Salvation? (http://www.creationliberty.com/articles/repent.php)
If you truly want to know who God saves, then listen to that. If you don't, then there's nothing more I can say except to warn you that God does not save the proud of heart:
But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
-James 4:6
Surely he scorneth the scorners: but he giveth grace unto the lowly.
-Pro 3:34
Just to make sure we're on the same page, let's define that term 'scorn'.
scorn (n): extreme contempt; that disdain which springs from a person's opinion of the meanness of an object, and a consciousness or belief of his own superiority or worth
Let me give you an example of scornful language:
"You guys need to check yourselves! I thank God I'm saved and I don't have to take or appreciate the self righteous tone in which I was talked to either. I have no patience for this Pharisaical anti-501c3 churches snobbery either. Ugh please just delete my account, thanks.... I no longer want this night time Ananias like interrogation, however. Please just delete my account. Thanks so much and know that living like a Pharisee will not get you any favors with the Lord Jesus you guys claim you believe in."
That's a scorner. Neither Tim nor I have spoken to you that way. And you'll notice, I didn't just type these things into a smart phone without considering my words; I sat down for almost two hours writing this out, checking your forum posts, proof reading my words, writing out proper Scripture for this conversation, and color coding everything for your convenience.
You disobeyed Proverbs 18:13 and then decided I was being angry and fleshy when I expressed my frustration with you. You guys have a strong Pharisee spirit about you as well. May the Lord reward you according to your works.
Well, before you jump to conclusions, let me quote that to you:
He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.
-Pro 18:13
Now, I didn't know what you meant in your post by "taking a break" until now, and I told you that perhaps I just needed to see more of your conversation. I haven't been on the forum this evening because I was spending time with my family, and before I even have a chance to read what you've written, without you even desiring to first hear a response from me, you've not only falsely accused me of a number of things for daring to question you, but you've falsely accused all the members of our forum and our church who weren't even involved. Nate, it is YOU who has violated Proverbs 18:13, on top of many more Scriptures, because you wrote all those false accusations out of rage in your heart, and then tried to delete your account (i.e. slap and run), not even willing to hear a response.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
-2Ti 4:3-4
I can tell that you don't know what a Pharisee is, and that name is a quick railing accusation you can throw out as a defense mechanism when you feel threatened, and it is a common thing that churchgoers do. If you are willing to hear, I'd like to explain what a Pharisee is:
And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
-Luke 18:9-12
The Pharisee is scornful against the publican, and at the time, publicans were seen as the worst people in society because they were tax collectors. The comments you were making towards us were same kind as the scoffing Pharisee: "I have no patience for this Pharisaical anti-501c3 churches snobbery either. Ugh" That's scorning and scoffing, just like the Pharisee. You went through multiple posts trying to justify yourself by all the books you've read, thinking that was going to impress us, but you don't understand that almost every author you mentioned is a false teacher, teaching you a false gospel that is not of Christ.
However, who is it that Jesus said goes home with the justification of salvation?
And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
-Luke 18:13-14
That is the doctrine of repentance unto salvation.
Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing. For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
-2Co 7:9-10
I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
-Luke 13:3
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
-2Pe 3:9
Repentance is not turning from sin or changing your mind; that's false doctrine. And saying a "sinner's prayer" in a church building will not save you either. You claim that you are "saved by the Lord Jesus Christ," but I've seen countless false converts say the same thing. If you want to know the truth about that matter, please click the link I provided earlier in this letter, and just take a bit of time and listen. If you want to listen to it and discuss the matter with me afterwards, I'll be glad to do so. If not, then I bid you a pleasant day, and pray the Lord Jesus Christ would bless you and your family with all your needs throughout the coming week, and I pray that because I will not return to you the railing accusations you have made against us:
rail (v): to utter reproaches; to scoff; to use insolent and reproachful language
Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing.
-1Pe 3:9
Hi Christopher,
Timothy deleted all my comments before you could read them. He was really unfair and I explained my view on salvation in our Lord pretty well. I also explained why I worded things the way I did, but all my comments are gone and I asked Timothy to delete my account because you guys jumped the gun on judging me before I even finished. Proverbs 18:13 comes into play here. Also, I think your forum Rules are far too strict for me and I just don't have time to argue on social media.
Looking over many of your articles and videos, I see we are in perfect agreement on MOST important doctrines and the King James Bible. I got frustrated and said some things I shouldn't have because I feel like I was treated pretty unfairly. But it's all good. I wish you guys well and may God bless your work.
Sincerely in Christ,
Nate Beck
Also Christopher,
I read your statement of faith on the website, so no, I didn't need to ask you what you believed the Gospel to be. I saw we were in perfect agreement.
Again, all is well, and I already went to the Lord in prayer about it. I learned that next time someone asks me about my Christian testimony, I don't need to give them my life story lol, but just cut to the chase and describe my beliefs in strict scriptural terms so there is no doubt about my compliance with the scriptures.
God bless,
Nate
The following letter I'm sending you is a response I had written to your letters a few days ago. I chose not to send it to you after I read this post you made:
http://www.creationliberty.com/forum/index.php?topic=658.msg5337#msg5337 (http://www.creationliberty.com/forum/index.php?topic=658.msg5337#msg5337)
I thought that maybe my discernment was off, so I sent the letter to Tim instead (so I would have an eye witness that would know I wrote it beforehand) and told him I would wait and see what happens. But after I read this post:
http://www.creationliberty.com/forum/index.php?topic=652.msg5362#msg5362 (http://www.creationliberty.com/forum/index.php?topic=652.msg5362#msg5362)
I realized that the previous post you made was just a convenient lie for you to put on a show in front of everyone. Here is the letter I wrote, and based on your conversation, I strongly believe that my discernment about you was right on point:
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Timothy deleted all my comments before you could read them.
Nate, you just lied. Moderators do not have the power to delete or alter posts on our forum, and I have a moderation log where I can see everything they do. No posts were deleted. That's a false accusation, and you are not repenting (i.e. grief and godly sorrow of sin) of the false accusations you are making, which gives us more evidence that you are not of Christ.
He was really unfair and I explained my view on salvation in our Lord pretty well. I also explained why I worded things the way I did, but all my comments are gone and I asked Timothy to delete my account because you guys jumped the gun on judging me before I even finished.
Again, that's a lie. I just went to the site to check, and the last action Tim took as a moderator on the forum was on the 2nd of January; yesterday was the 14th of May. I've known Tim for six years, and he's always been kind, humble, and patient in everything I have heard him say and everything I've seen him write. I've known you for one day, and you are acting like a child in your understanding, ignoring your sin, railing and lying. Who is it do you think I should believe? All your posts are still there, your account is still there, and others are beginning to read your posts and respond.
Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
-1Co 14:20
Also, I think your forum Rules are far too strict for me and I just don't have time to argue on social media.
Our forum rules basically consist of making an introduction within the first 2 days after registering, not spamming, and respecting others. Have you ever bothered to sit down and read the agreements you have to make and rules you have to follow for all those social media accounts? It sounds like you haven't. In that case, then you ought to go to Youtube or Twitter or Facebook. They invite railers, liars, and false accusers, and love people who rapid fire post without taking time and thought to what they say.
Be not rash with thy mouth, and let not thine heart be hasty to utter any thing before God: for God is in heaven, and thou upon earth: therefore let thy words be few.
-Ecc 5:2
There are many false converts in those places that would welcome you into their fold. We discuss Bible doctrine and philosophy here, and it sounds like this is not the right place for you because you don't want to talk about those things.
Looking over many of your articles and videos, I see we are in perfect agreement on MOST important doctrines and the King James Bible. I got frustrated and said some things I shouldn't have because I feel like I was treated pretty unfairly. But it's all good. I wish you guys well and may God bless your work.
But the #1 most important doctrine we are not in agreement on. And again, no repentance. All you just did was make an excuse. Born again Christians have a foundation of repentance in their hearts, and I do not believe you were ever born again because I do not see it. Based on your testimony, I believe you said a sinner's prayer in a church building and joined church-iantiy, but you do not have the mind of Christ because you never came to repentance. I believe you are a false convert that has followed the doctrine of the world, and so I wish you come to understanding of that repentance teaching I shared with you, and that God would give you understanding to acknowledge the truth.
In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
-2Ti 2:25
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
-2Th 2:10
I read your statement of faith on the website, so no, I didn't need to ask you what you believed the Gospel to be. I saw we were in perfect agreement.
You are welcome to say "we're in perfect agreement" all you would like. I have tried to explain to you that you do not know the Gospel of Christ and have believed in a lie because there is no humility of repentance in your heart. These letters show me that you do not want to discuss it, and you won't just directly say that because it would be embarrassing for you. If you don't want to hear and be honest with me, then you should move on because there's nothing more I can do. You know where to find the information, and we're here if you ever decide to look into it and want to talk, but don't be lukewarm trying to play both sides.
I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth... As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
-Rev 3:15-19
Again, all is well, and I already went to the Lord in prayer about it.
All is not well. You've not come to repentance, and therefore, hell and the lake of fire await, just as they did for Peter Ruckman, Johnny Cash, and Billy Graham, and just as they will for Ken Ham, John Hagee, Kent Hovind, Benny Hinn, and many others you mentioned if they do not come to repentance. You cannot achieve repentance of yourself because it is a gift from God, and therefore, you need to pray that He would give you repentance.
I learned that next time someone asks me about my Christian testimony, I don't need to give them my life story lol, but just cut to the chase and describe my beliefs in strict scriptural terms so there is no doubt about my compliance with the scriptures.
It doesn't matter if you did. You have falsely believed that by speaking the name of Jesus, you have been saved. They gave you this verse didn't they?
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
-Romans 10:13
You thought to yourself that you have called up Jesus in prayer as if you called Him on the phone. That is not what that Scripture means, and you have been taught a lie. If you want to know what that verse means, then go here:
Is Repentance Part of Salvation? (http://www.creationliberty.com/articles/repent.php)
But I don't think you will because I don't believe you want to know, and that's because you and I are in perfect disagreement on what brings a man to the foot of the cross. You should read John 8 very carefully; in verse 31, Jesus speaks to a whole crowd of people who believe on Him, and in verses 44-45, He tells them they are of their father the devil, and they are not of God.
False Converts vs Eternal Security (http://www.creationliberty.com/articles/falseconverts.php)
I'm not the most experienced teacher, but I know the difference between a born again Christian who has repentance in his heart, and a young man who has no understanding trying to play the part.
But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
-Mat 13:23
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With your recent posts, I can tell that you have bitterness and rage still inwardly, and you are trying your best to put on an outward appearance that looks sheep-like. You cannot hide your heart from God, and Christ gives discernment to His church so they would be protected from men like you, who deceive others.
Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
-1Co 14:20
Your malice and your scornful and scoffing attitude has been here from the moment you joined, and you're still looking to pick a fight (which is called 'strife') and shows your contentious heart.
Smite a scorner, and the simple will beware: and reprove one that hath understanding, and he will understand knowledge.
-Pro 19:25
Cast out the scorner, and contention shall go out; yea, strife and reproach shall cease.
-Pro 22:10
Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
-1Ti 5:20
Christopher,
To begin, I never lied. I had mistakenly thought that Timothy had deleted all my posts because after he said he would delete my account that first day, I went to make another response and couldn't log into the website. So, I simply made a mistake. But you've seen fit to falsely accuse me of being a liar without having all the facts.
I'm truly saved in the Lord Jesus Christ and always will be. Whether you believe that or not doesn't mean a thing to me. I also believe MOST of the people you mentioned in your email are in Heaven or going to Heaven. You and your friends are not the only people on earth who understand what repentance is. I like many of your articles, but at the end of the day, I think you're a proud, bloated egotist and a colossal jerk who I wouldn't waste five minutes with in person. You are about as relevant to me as last week's bar of soap lol. And I want you to delete my account.
Sincerely in Christ,
I'd also like to say that you make salvation harder than the Bible does and your criticizing of the place Romans 10:13 has in the salvation of a person is truly sickening. You definitely are a Pharisee, and I thank you for offering full proof. I'm so glad I didn't waste too much time on your website. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go do something better and forget all about you lol.
Happy in Christ,
Nate
So you can see how, as soon as he was rebuked again, he went right back to his scornful attitude and railing accusations. I could tell because he didn't repent of his sin, because he believed he had done nothing wrong, but rather, "repented" of "being upset," which is not a sin. I went ahead and banned him because he's the kind of person I can see coming back in here and trying to cause more trouble, and we don't need it; there's too much work that needs to be done in ministry, and so hopefully, our discernment has been increased by this interaction, and we can move forward to do what is right according to the Lord Jesus Christ. It's a great testimony when such men as Nate finally come to repentance and believe on Christ and are converted, so I hope that will happen to him before it's too late.
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That answers my question on why he was banned. I was confused when he said anti 501c3 but yet post on how thankful he was about the article.
He said
You are about as relevant to me as last week's bar of soap lol
Soap makes one clean and it also disinfectant. Even makes one smell better. So what he said is you are about as relevant to me as one who cleans the filth lol.
I pray one day nate come back here in true repentance and join us with a humble heart
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You are about as relevant to me as last week's bar of soap lol
Soap makes one clean and it also disinfectant. Even makes one smell better. So what he said is you are about as relevant to me as one who cleans the filth lol.
Ha ha ha! Wow. Ecc 5:2... be not rash with thy mouth.
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I falsely assumed repentance on Nate's behalf. At the time, there seemed to be a change in attitude after the email conversations with Chris.
I see now that he really wasn't addressing the issues and danced around the rebuke.
Thank you Kevin! I really misjudged Chris and Timothy, and am glad God showed me that I was wrong to jump to conclusions :-)
Seeing his email responses, it is clear that he was not being genuine. In the end, he repeated the same accusations that he claimed in the quoted post as misjudgment.
Did God show him his error and later God changed his mind? Not so. I hope Nate takes the time to understand his error, but I'm afraid that will not be the case.
This is good practice for discernment. I was deceived and gave Nate false affirmation.
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I falsely assumed repentance on Nate's behalf. At the time, there seemed to be a change in attitude after the email conversations with Chris.
I had assumed it too even though there were a couple things I thought were strange in his apology that I couldn't quite put my finger on. But because I'm an unfair, prideful, judgemental Pharisitical interrogator ( ;)) I let it go thinking, at first, he had repented at least somewhat. But after Christopher sent me that email he posted here it really gave a new context to his apology and I knew I couldn't trust him. I just wasn't sure how to go from there.
Thankfully, Nathan revealed the hatred in his heart when he posted on Scott's Intro saying the same things before his 'apology' that we were still prideful and there was unscriptural judgment going on among us. I say thankfully because we can now see the truth behind his feigned humility and praise.
Proverbs 26:24 He that hateth dissembleth (To hide under a false appearance) with his lips, and layeth up deceit within him;
25 When he speaketh fair, believe him not (Nathan "Thank you all for the kind words and thank you Chris! Your passion for the word of God is inspiring."): for there are seven abominations in his heart.
26 Whose hatred is covered by deceit, his wickedness shall be shewed before the whole congregation.
Hopefully God will open Nathan's eyes and show him that he is not saved no matter how much he wants to believe it because he has no repentance over his sin. What he has shown here has convinced me fully that he is a false convert on his way to hell.
1 John 2:9 He that saith he is in the light (Nathan: "I'm truly saved in the Lord Jesus Christ and always will be."), and hateth his brother (Proverbs 26:24), is in darkness even until now.
10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.
1 John 3:15 - Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
1 John 4:20 - If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
If Nathan really takes calling any of us 'brother' seriously, then he aught to fear what God says about those that hate their brother. But because he doesn't take his words seriously he will remain blind to it because of the hardness of his heart unless he repents.
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If he is band, will he be able to still get on website and read the post?
He did come off just like that guy Chris had to block his i.p address. He too kept trying to promote the mainstream pastor just this time he added David and king james bible.
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No, I didn't block his IP address, although now I'm probably thinking that I should have. He's now threatening to take "legal action" which I find hilarious, and the letters should explain why. I had to block him from my email account as well. Here's what I have:
AT 6:53 PM...
Mr. Johnson,
I am demanding that you remove my name and comments from your website. I'm giving you a week's notice. If my comments and name are not removed from your website in that time (by May 24, 2019) I will seek legal action against you.
Very Sincerely,
Nathan
Go right ahead and seek your legal counsel. I already know what they'll tell you because you speak in ignorance. You should try reading the terms of agreement before you sign them next time.
"You remain solely responsible for the content of your posted messages. Furthermore, you agree to indemnify and hold harmless the owners of this forum, any related websites to this forum, its staff, and its subsidiaries."
Now, if you continue to keep spamming my email account, I'll just block you. I don't like doing that because I like to keep the door open for wicked people if they come to repentance, or if, God forbid, you were ever in need of daily food and clothing, and we could be charitable to you and your family.
However, you have proven once again that you are not of Christ.
If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church. I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren? But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.
-1Co 6:4-6
You're not a brother in Christ because we don't go to the law with matters among one another. If you do not seek the Lord to give you a heart of repentance, then hell and lake of fire awaits; there's nothing more I can do. Again, if you keep spamming me letters, I'll block your account. Have a great day.
AT 6:54 PM... ONE MINUTE LATER...
I keep checking into the forum and, as expected, I see more and more libel being written about me accusing me of being a false convert on my way to Hell.
I warn you, if these comments and my name and account are not deleted by the end of next week, I will sue you for libel and for using my name and words without my permission!
You have been warned. I'll be checking back next Friday, and if my content is still present, you'll be hearing from my attorney.
Very Sincerely,
Nathan
As I said in the last letter, if you kept spamming me, I'll block your account. I'm doing so now. Have a great day.
END OF EMAIL EXCHANGE
As a side note, the humorous thing about this is that Nate, in his habit of speaking before considering a matter, doesn't even understand the legal definition of defamation, which is the subject of the lawsuit he would have to file under for libel. What he's claiming doesn't even match defamation. What is on this site was posted by him, no changes were made to anything he said, and we have expressed our thoughts and opinions freely about his testimony and therefore, I'm not sure that he knows what libel means. He would literally have to fight the first amendment of the US Constitution to win his case. Not to mention, defamation is one of the most difficult type of cases to win, with many facets of criteria that have to be met to even be heard in an official trial (i.e. most of them are thrown out during the preliminary hearings), and that means, his alleged "attorney" would have to be convinced that Nate has such a solid case and could be awarded enough money to make the matter worth the law office's time and resources. In short, unless Nate is secretly a millionaire, he's not going to be able to afford it, and Lorraine and I don't have very much money as it is--meaning that he would have to sue me personally, because Creation Liberty Evangelism is not a corporation and Lorraine and I don't have a marriage license, so we're not a corporation either. Thus, to take on a personal defamation lawsuit requires extraordinary amounts of funding, along with extraordinary amounts of evidence, including "mens rea," which is a legal term that has to do with proving the intent to commit a crime, and that would be impossible to prove because there is no one here intent on commit any crime to defame anyone. So, his threats are nothing more than vanity in the wind.
Furthermore, even if he started a lawsuit on this, it would only expose him further, he would lose it, and then all that would do is focus more attention onto the Gospel of repentance and faith in Christ that I'm teaching, and expose the wickedness of his own words to public at large.
In short, the Bible says he's a fool, and he ought to be ashamed of himself, but he continues in confidence via his rage.
A wise man feareth, and departeth from evil: but the fool rageth, and is confident.
-Pro 14:16
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Well he already shown us he lied when he said you guys delete his comments. That will be a first in this situation, plus there are us as witness that nothing changed. But he did clame to you Chris that his post were deleted and put on a show how he was upset about it. Now he upset because you won't delete his post. The only lawyer that will even take his case is only to take his money. People do this all the time thinking it will give them what they want, but in reality they just dig a deeper pit to blindly walk in to.
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Just to be fair and make things clear, moderators actually DO have the ability to delete posts; at least, I do. However, the only posts I have deleted were either duplicates (one case) or when someone has tried several times to post the same thing but the post got cut off because of the apostrophe issue. I have always waited until the full post appears, though, before deleting the false starts, and I only do that to keep the thread from being cluttered.
But everything else Chris said was spot on. If Nate actually does try to contact an attorney, he's going to be laughed out of the office, so I hope he spares himself the embarrassment.
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My apologies, that option was not supposed to be available. I must have forgotten to fix it when we reset the forum last time.
No, wait... I checked on it, and yes, okay. I messed up. That option is on for moderators, and I remember that I left it on in case someone started posting something illegal or pornographic, and that a mod could eliminate it quickly. I disabled features to allow mods to edit anyone's existing post. That was the thing. I'm sorry about that folks; but the part about Tim not making any changes was true; he didn't touch anything, and instead of asking about it, Nate just falsely accused him in blind rage.
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How blind do you have to be to post on your own intro and not see that the message are still there. Maybe I do not know but you do have to go past all the message to reply. Or maybe he just was on first page when he replied and did not see there was now 2. I have done this few times
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I'm sorry to bring this up again, but Nate was able to get through to me one more time on the website contact page, and I had a discussion with him. Tim and I looked over everything and we believe he's much more genuine this time around; he's been very repentant of everything he's said to us, and requested to be unbanned so he could come back in and apologize to everyone. I went ahead and did that this morning.
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Thank you so much Chris and Tim,
I am so sorry. Sorry to everyone I hurt and annoyed and frustrated. I have had an unrighteous anger problem for a long time and I said so many stupid things here for which the Holy Spirit put me under heavy conviction. I mistakenly thought that Tim had deleted my comments and my account when I couldn't log in last week and I accused Tim to Chris without having all the facts. I allowed my sin of pride to take offense to Chris and Tim's concerns about my salvation when all they wanted was some evidence that I was who they said I was. I've never had my salvation questioned before and since I cherish my relationship with the Lord and have had an anger problem I let the devil take that as me being attacked and made a complete fool out of myself.
I am so ashamed of myself. For one, I'm ashamed of myself for talking to good Christian people that way and two, I'm ashamed of myself because I know the Bible pretty well. But knowing the Bible and obeying it are two different things. I've asked the Lord to take this anger away and I've had to repent of many things. I thank God for Chris being the Christian he is and teaching what the Bible actually says about repentance and how we are to act toward other Christians. I have failed my Lord by acting the fool, by being accusatory toward my brethren, for misunderstanding Chris's full stance on 501c3 and for not being clear on my salvation testimony. I understand completely that some of you may not believe I'm actually saved and born again and I understand that I may have jeapordized my reputation among you. Everyone here has a full right to be skeptical of me and I don't hold that against anyone here. I thank my God that He showed me my sin and convicted me and granted me repentance for this matter. I was so angry about someone questioning my salvation that I never stopped to consider that railing against such a simple line of inquiry would do more damage to my credibility as a Christian. I have argued with atheists, my unsaved parents and siblings, haters of our King James Bible and Christians who have beat up on me for believing the King James Bible and that God created everything, including dinosaurs, in six literal days thousands of years ago, so I carried that baggage with me when I started writing on this forum and took Chris and Tim's concern for my soul as an accusation I wasn't saved. I mistook pride for zeal, rashness for cleverness, and foolishness for understanding. This has been a very humbling experience for me and I've learned a great lesson. Please pray that the Lord irradicates this unrighteous anger that has rested in this fool's bosom. Thank you all.
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I think it takes a lot of humility to say what you just said in the manner you did. Theres no hard feelings from me. Welcome back.
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God just spoke to my heart with "just because a man days he believes the Bible and mentally acknowledge that it's the words of God, a man does not really fully believe the Bible at all if a man does not obey it!" God is definitely chastening me for what I've done here. I don't expect to never make a mistake again, but I truly hope that I never make a fool of myself like this again in attacking other Christians who were just trying to help me.
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Thank you Brother Tim. God bless you and yours!
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I am glad you are able to join us again nate,
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Thank you Billy. God is good!
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Welcome back, Nate! I'm so happy to hear that you have seen what you did wrong and truly repented of it. I pray that everything that has been said on this thread would provide encouragement and edification to others, as well. It truly is a pleasure when one lost sheep returns to the fold!
Luke 15:4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it? 5 And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing. 6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost. 7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.
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A welcome back from me too Nate. It was good to read what you wrote.
Your return the way you have has made these words of Jesus come to mind.
Luke 15 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
3 And he spake this parable unto them, saying, 4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it? 5 And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing. 6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost. 7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.
8 Either what woman having ten pieces of silver, if she lose one piece, doth not light a candle, and sweep the house, and seek diligently till she find it? 9 And when she hath found it, she calleth her friends and her neighbours together, saying, Rejoice with me; for I have found the piece which I had lost. 10 Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.
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LOL
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What was the LOL, Kevin? Did you just realise that you posted the same Scripture I did? LOL
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Thank you everyone. It is amazing how good God is to us when we are at our worst.
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Hi, Nate, this is Caleb again. I was wondering what do you like to do? I like to be a zoologist author or a guy who likes to write about animals. I like God's creation because of intricately he designed them. Even the cryptid animals are incredibly interesting like dinosaurs and other creatures like pterosaurs. I hope you share the same interest.
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What was the LOL, Kevin? Did you just realise that you posted the same Scripture I did? LOL
Yes. As I was writing I saw the notification come up that someone else had posted to the thread and then when I posted and looked I noticed you had posted the same passage.
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Hi there Caleb :-) thank you for asking. I love Cryptozoology and dinosaurs! I do studies on the dragons of the Bible, which I believe are sometimes referring to dinosaurs. Besides how behemoth and Leviathan picture the devil, I also believe they were some type of dinosaur. Other than that, I like to study the Creation and the symbolism of the Temple of Solomon and New Jerusalem. I spend much time thinking about how the Millennium under our Lord Jesus is going to be, how wonderful it's going to be, with a restoration of the animal kingdom. When I was a kid I liked cartoons, video games, and the outdoors. I still love the outdoors, but have pretty much ditched the video games and cartoons because most of those are ungodly. Also, be careful with some Cryptozoology books and documentaries. A lot of that is hokum and people having wild imaginations with no proof of anything really. I like studying dinosaurs, but that's also sometimes difficult as most dinosaur books and documentaries are filled with evolution and atheistic nonsense. If not for documentaries and preaching DVDs, I'd just use my TV for target practice lol. That's pretty much what I like to do- study and think about the Bible, enjoy the outdoors, watch some documentaries, play some boardgames with my wife, talk to others about the Lord and Bible prophecy and work my full time job at Lowe's :-)
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Nate, I wasn't referring to the Cryptozoology that involves all of the craziness of insanity and people saying the most insane things. I mean when people see something and describe something.
I have been studying animals since I was six months old, in fact when I was that age I was already saying tyrannosaurus rex and stuff like that. My studies have led to some interesting conclusions: for example, many so-called dinosaurs are not dinosaurs or even reptiles for that matter! How does that sound?
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Oh ok. Gotcha. I'd love to hear your thoughts on dinosaurs, but perhaps it would be best to start that conversation by starting a new topic post? You have piqued my interest sir. I would like to hear why you think some "dinosaurs" aren't reptiles.
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How about I send you a message so I can speak to you more about it?
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Sure brother. Anyone here has my permission to email me about anything, by the way. I ALWAYS answer emails and love to talk about shared interests :-)
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I was refering to messages you can receive on the website. Look up on the top of the website, between your profile and members is a button labeled my messages see it?
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Gotcha. :D
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You work at lowes? How long have you been working there for? I am asking because I am living in a 3rd world country where most website ae blocked and finding a high quality tool or parts is a challenge it's self.
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Chris,
I admit that I sinned against you when I got angry and accused you of being a self righteous Pharisee by questioning my testimony-Ecclesiastes 7:9. I knew in my spirit that there was leaven and pride in you but I accused you without having any solid evidence. THAT was what the Lord convicted me about, THAT and the fact that I even entered dialogue with you or your forum without reading everything you believe first and that I threatened you with a lawsuit that I knew was a stupid statement. You do have some good stuff, but it's all overshadowed by your rash condemnation of good Christians like Mike Hoggard and your accusing churches of having a "devil's church" by having 501c3 status, and other stupidities. After prayer I knew there was something wrong with you spiritually, and that I shouldn't have anything to do with you, but I wanted so bad to be wrong about that and have fellowship with a person I wanted to believe was a good Christian.
You accused me with many false accusations in this post and YOU are the one who has sinned this time! I just KNEW that you think yourself to be some kind of authority for other Christians and act like a Protestant pope. I have news for you, you're not my pastor and you're not my leader. Also, you're foolish because you have this false confidence about who is going to Heaven and who isn't with statements like "Johnny Cash went to Hell" "Peter Ruckman went to Hell" etc How do you know that!? You really don't. You don't know what went on between God and those men in their last days! Also, I've found that with your statement of people speaking in tongues as all being "Satanic gibberish", you've lumped false tongues with genuine moves of the Spirit and have inadvertently blasphemed through your stupidity. You are a satanic accuser of the brethren no matter how many things you get right and no matter how right you are about people like Billy Graham and Steven Anderson, you are a self conceited false accuser (2 Timothy 3:3, Revelation 12:10) and I'm sorry I've wasted so much time with you. I really wanted to give you another chance. NOW we're done. I want you to delete my account and I never want anything more to do with you or your forum or your church. And remember, I will stay born again and in Christ regardless of your pride and stupidity no matter what you accuse me of.
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Nate. We are all trying to be patient with you, but this throwing of a tantrum at the drop of a hat needs to stop. Its your choice to leave. So do so and leave is in peace. I wish I wasnt at work while things like this happen because I have to deal with those stresses and then turn around to see this. Yet we can still manage patience with you. And for me thats because of the Lord Jesus Christ that taught me patience otherwise I would react the same as you.
If I, who have had the same issues with anger and supposedly not been saved as long as you, can deal with this in patience, why cant you? Think about that and prove your own self. If you want to leave, thats ok, but do so in peace.
If you have issues with something thats taught here then lets address it in humility and not rage. If you really need help with anger, we can try to help but if your going to rage at everything then just leave and let it go. We cant help if you are going the act like this.
I typically proofread my stuff but Im still at work but I wanted to say this the best I could on the fly.
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Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
-2Co 13:5
(Because Tim's at work and probably didn't have a chance to add this to his post.)
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That's the one. Thanks for adding that.
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***FEB 2020 UPDATE***
I know we have not had to deal with this guy since last year (May 2019), but I wanted to post an update. This guy Nate, who we previously had to ban from this forum for his conduct, emailed me about 10 days ago, apologizing once again for his poor conduct here, and inquiring about my teaching on repentance. (He had to use a different email account because I had to block his original email address.) I told him that I did not remember who he was or what he was talking about, but he decided to somewhat describe the instance, and then I began to remember who he was and what he did. I did not bother to go look it up; I told him I would not hold it against him, that I would forgive him and move on, so long as he had repentance towards Christ.
I answered his questions on repentance, and he seemed thankful for it. I didn't hear from him again... for about a week and a half.
So after he claimed to repent of his conduct, I just got a message from him today, not over email (for some odd reason I cannot figure out), but over Facebook, saying this:
"Hi Mr. Johnson, I wanted to let you know that I'm exposing your false teachings on Twitter. If repentance means godly sorrow then 2 Corinthians 7:10 is nonsense! "Godly sorrow WORKETH godly sorrow"!? Only a cult leader (Christopher J. E. Johnson) could read his own brand of crazy into the Bible!"
And then he blocked me on Facebook. I could not block him, which I tried to do, because he already had me blocked. This is the same fickle nonsense and railing and backbiting we had to deal with from him a year ago, where he was doing his slap-n-run routine, and here he is, still doing the same thing. Something is seriously wrong with this man in his spirit, and I don't know what he needs, except prayer that the Lord God would show him mercy and open his eyes.
If you read through this thread, you will see what kind of ridiculous things we have had to deal with from Nate, so that should give everyone a context for your prayers if your heart is convicted unto prayer for him on this matter.
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He must've glossed over the part where you talked about people having worldly sorrow instead of Godly sorrow for 2 Corinthians. Or maybe skipped the whole section. Or maybe just skipped through most of the article..?