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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: IMF19 on February 09, 2019, 07:46:24 PM
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I bring up this topic because of what I collected after reading the "Should Christians Vote?" article.
Not wanting to be a respecter of persons, and knowing that titles are unbiblical, there are a large number of people running for "president of the United States".
I would like to have a productive discussion on this, and let's respect each other while doing so.
God bless.
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What, exactly, did you want to discuss about it? I don't believe any of the people who want to run are of God in any way, shape or form so really, what does it have to do with us? That's a serious question, btw, not trying to be smart.
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Yeah, that's really vague. I don't really understand the purpose of what you want to discuss, and furthermore, after you just got done making a post about struggling on how to keep a mind founded in Christ, it seems you have more pressing matters than who is running for presidential candidate.
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I think it's because I wasn't being smart last night. I'm not making excuses here. I am a human being, but I made a big mistake bringing this up. I'm sorry for even bringing it up, it's just that I need to find more appropriate topics, rather than coming up with ones that sound vague. I don't want to lose friendships here. I have found sweet fellowship with you guys here at CLE, and I don't want to lose it. Prayerfully, I will sanctify myself from topics that won't work.
I'm sorry if I have caused any trouble.
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Ian, you don't have to try to come up with things to talk about here. If you have specific questions about the Bible or doctrine, or things that are going on in your life, that's fine. Just make sure your questions are clearly stated so that the rest of us will know how to answer them. There was another thread you started where you asked a question and I felt like we had to pry information out of you to determine what it was you really wanted to know.
Also, when you reply to a topic, please be sure to read through the whole conversation before you say something. You posted a reply to Caleb's thread on dealing with depression and anxiety, and it seems you only read the first post, because if you had read the whole thing, you would have seen that Caleb said several times that this was an old issue that had been resolved and he didn't want to discuss it anymore.
I'm glad you pointed out in that post, though, that you have high functioning autism because knowing that may help us to be a little more patient with you.
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You're not losing anything here; it's just that coming here and saying "I want to have a productive discussion about U.S. presidents" would be like saying, "I want to have a productive discussion about sandwiches." No one really knows what it is you want to talk about; that's all we were saying.
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If I was president my first ruling will be the execution of any who willing took the life of the unborn, and all buildings like plan parent hood will be made a huge heap of stones as a reminder of how evil the hearts of the land is.
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I appreciate your honesty, everyone's.
I will make myself more open to what I mean; in other words, be more specific as to not create confusion. I know that some choices I've made have produced regret.
I pray that God will give me the discernment and a clearer mind, and that the next time I come up with a topic, I will be as specific as possible.
Thank you.
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Luke 16:15 KJV
And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.
John 15:19 KJV
If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
If the president is elected democratically, is there any chance that a Christian get elected? We are not promised that the world love us, but that it would hate us.
John 16:33 KJV
These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
We are not promised a great revival. What we are promised is that we are headed towards a time similar to the day of Noah. A wicked man is in office because the people are wicked.
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If I was president my first ruling will be the execution of any who willing took the life of the unborn, and all buildings like plan parent hood will be made a huge heap of stones as a reminder of how evil the hearts of the land is.
I'm not so sure about being so fast to execute people. While people are still alive there is still hope for them. Although in the Old Testament God instructed that people who did certain things were to be put to death, that is not the case in the New Covenant. There is a difference between those who claim to be in God's church and those who are still in the world. With the presedential power to end offenders lives {thoughts of being drunk on power here} you could instead use that great power to educate the population and undermine and curtail the false teachings of the media and "academics" and the false churches. Win win all around, offenders are turned to Christ and saved and Christ's death for the redemption of those offenders was not in vain.
Naturally we immediately think of Paul who was not a part of God's newly forming church and was going about taking a part in the execution of Christians. God could have easily put Paul to death for doing that, but God also knew that Paul was doing it out of ignorance. Instead of death, God gave Paul an experience that "enlightened" him and also made it known how much he was going to suffer for Christ.
Ananias and his wife Sapphira claimed to be in the church and got caught out lying and were both struck down and put to death. Their lying was also at the level at which those in the "churches" would overlook today as a minor misdemeanour because they were giving money. Not everyone gets struck down dead today but those two are used to get the point across and they quite likely got struck down because their demise was going to be written up in the scriptures for all to read about, but all of those who have lied in the last two thousand years aren't noted in the Bible. God's lesson to everyone ..... you watching? ...... watch this ...... this is what I think of lying.
I can't speak for others but I sure know I have made errors in the time I have been a Christian. By the grace of God I haven't been struck down as Ananias and his wife Sapphira were but I do know that just as we have to account for every idle word so am I also going to have to account for everything else I have done. How much does God overlook? Does He overlook actions of young and immature Christians? Will He overlook Ananias and his wife Sapphira's wrong doing but chose to make an example of them?
Anyway, I wouldn't be so quick to stand before God with the blood of ignorant unbelievers on my hands.
All of this is my own thoughts on the matter and I happily stand to be shredded and corrected on anything I have written.
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You make great points. To lead a nation to the truth 99% of what plays on tv and radio has to be band. Then rule that life begins once pregnant. It will be a slow process because there will be people rioting in the streets. But there is a tipping point where you will have people fight to want to be able to have the right to kill babies. There are many things one will have to do just to get the people to slowly move in the right direction. Like pass laws that no one can profit off of any historical book by making there own version. This will end the bible counterfeits.
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Laws won't do any good because laws can be changed. As has been pointed out numerous times already, people are just going to get worse and worse. The Bible says that 'as in the days of Noah...' which means that mankind will again be totally corrupt with no hope of reaching them with the truth. Jesus will return when everyone who can be saved is saved.
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Ya you are right. We can talk about what a leader can do to point people in the right direction tell we are blue in the face. It won't change anything. God already told us what is going to happen
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Laws won't do any good because laws can be changed. As has been pointed out numerous times already, people are just going to get worse and worse. The Bible says that 'as in the days of Noah...' which means that mankind will again be totally corrupt with no hope of reaching them with the truth. Jesus will return when everyone who can be saved is saved.
That is so true Jeanne. The most startling place I see this occuring is in Revelation at the end of the thousand year reign of Christ and His saints. Even though the population of the world has had the most excellent leadership and rules for one thousand years they are led to turn their backs on that and again turn to do what is wrong.
Revelation 20 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 and shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Some people are just their own worst enemy in the choices they make.