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Title: "Asking Me to Explain Myself? You Legalist!"
Post by: creationliberty on December 05, 2018, 08:33:19 AM

MARC FROM BUFFALO:

The pastoral system is akin to the Pharisees of Jesus day.


Okay.


Are you familiar with the Nicolaitens?


No.


It is the word from which we get clergy/laity.  The clergy climbs above the laity and rules over them.


Okay.


I Corinthians 14:37 37 If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I write to you are the Lord's commandment. 38 But if anyone does not recognize this, he is not recognized. I Corinthians 14:26-40 lays out proper order in our gatherings.  This order goes deep.


You're using new-age bible versions, which are corrupted, watered-down versions of God's Word. I hope you'll look into that soon and gain understanding because there is a lot of danger that comes with using those things.
Why I Use the King James Bible (http://www.creationliberty.com/articles/kingjames.php)


We know God reveals Himself through His creation. 
We know all creation fell when Adam sinned.
We know God seeks to reconcile and transform us from our fallen state to the very image of God.
We know man and woman were created in God's image.
Restoring Godly manhood and Godly womanhood is paramount.
Proper expression of I Corinthians 14:26-40 works to this end.



Okay. Is there a reason you're writing me? I haven't figured it out yet.


I encourage you not to grow weary in doing good for God will supply all your needs. Call me if you would like to pray and discuss further. One more insight I have learned the hard way.  Pastors are bound to the doctrine and order under which they received their right to preach.  They have to oppose proper order if they want to keep their jobs.


I am still confused as to why you wrote me. I don't mind if someone wants to write me just to tell me about things they've learned or discovered; that's fine, but you didn't make any of that clear. If you were writing to just encourage me to continue teaching the truth, that's fine too, but you didn't really make that clear either. You wrote me in a teaching/informative manner (i.e. "let me show you the truth you may not understand"), and that left me wondering if you know about anything I teach, or if you have listened to what I teach for a long time--I can't tell from this letter either way. In fact, I can't figure out anything from your letter; I am left utterly confused, and I really don't know how to respond to it in an email, let alone does it leave me with any understanding as to why I would need to call and talk about a subject that has not be clearly explained, especially since I don't do phone calls in most cases.
(See our FAQ here: http://creationliberty.com/faq.php#phonecall (http://creationliberty.com/faq.php#phonecall))

If you want to discuss something, or to make your intentions in this letter known to me, you're welcome to try again and I'll take a look at it. Just try to explain yourself a little more clearly so I can understand what point you're trying to make; that'll help me out a lot. Have a great day. :)

NEXT LETTER:

Was just trying to encourage you.


Okay, thank you for explaining yourself.


You seem very legalistic and puffed up.


You just said you wrote to encourage me, and now you're telling me that I'm puffed up? That's not encouragement, which means you just lied to me.
Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
-Col 3:9

That means you have a double mind, which makes you an unstable person.
A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
-Jms 1:8

In addition, that's also a vague accusation, which the Bible calls murmuring, which you haven't backed up with evidence. On what basis is a man "legalistic" and "puffed up" because he requests that you explain yourself more thoroughly so you can be understood?


Bitterness is something you should meditate on and ask God to root out of you.


Alright, now I can see you have a double heart as well, and I appreciate this second letter from you because now I can see more clearly who you are. On one side of your mouth, you give flattering lips, while on the other, you speak lies in the contention of your heart.
They speak vanity every one with his neighbour: with flattering lips and with a double heart do they speak.
-Psa 12:2

I simple requested that you be more clear, and now I'm being accused of being bitter against you, and partially being accused of not meditating with the Lord on such matters. That's what the Bible calls a scorner, and thankfully, the Lord God tells us believers what to do with such men:
Cast out the scorner, and contention shall go out; yea, strife and reproach shall cease.
-Pro 22:10



King James onlyism is so annoying.


I don't know what you personally mean by "King James Onlyism," but that tells me right away that you hate the thought that God has preserved His Word and would rebuke your sin. You're a man that hates correction.
Correction is grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: and he that hateth reproof shall die.
-Pro 15:10

And it's clear now that you do not have a heart of repentance (i.e. grief and godly sorrow of wrongdoing), which also means you have not received the grace of God because He only gives grace unto those who have been humbled to repentance:
But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
-Jms 4:6

Is Repentance Part of Salvation? (http://www.creationliberty.com/articles/repent.php)
That link will teach you the way to Christ. As it stands, it does not sound like you're of Him, but based on this letter, I'm almost certain you'll just scoff at it.


I actually read the original texts because I am better than everyone (that is sarcasm but you probably oppose that too).


No, it's just that it doesn't sound like sarcasm at all. The only impression I've gotten from your letters so far is that you do think you're better than everyone else, and you've lied to me already in this letter, so how can I trust you're telling me the truth?
As far you claiming that you are "brother" in Christ, I don't believe you because you have a railing attitude, and the Bible tells us if any man calls himself a "brother" and is a railer, we aren't supposed to yoke with him, and he's to be kicked out of the church:
But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
-1Co 11-13

Though you are operating outside the Body of Christ, I will not return the hatefulness you've shown me. I pray the Lord Jesus Christ would bless you and your family with all your needs throughout the coming week, which is how the Bible says we should speak to railers:
Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing.
-1Pe 3:9

I wish peace to you and your household; have a wonderful day, and I pray the Lord Jesus Christ would give you repentance of your sin to the acknowledging of the truth:
In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
-2Ti 2:25


NEXT LETTER:

You're right.  I don't know anything. Take care

END OF DISCUSSION

NOTE: I did not accuse him of "not knowing anything." He accused me of a number of things, none of which he answered for; thus, if I were to go by only his letters, I cannot conclude this man is saved; it sounds like he's a false convert. Don't misunderstand; this guy was likely not some long-time listener/reader in our ministry. If I had to guess, he probably read an article or two on the topic of corrupt pastors in church buildings (likely not in their entirety, since I was quoting the KJB and he didn't notice, otherwise he would have been "annoyed"), and then sat back and thought he and I were "brethren," which is quite common in my experience. (e.g. Someone reads up on 501c3 on our website and thinks we're yoked, which is not true in most instances.) Thus, his vague accusations are just murmurings, and also lies because he has no evidence to back them up, both of which God hates; in short, he's likely never been Biblically rebuked in his life and he hated it. His "take care" at the end was also feigned words to cover the wickedness in his heart, so there's no point in further discussion with a man like that until God gives him repentance, which is why I did not reply further.
Title: Re: "Asking Me to Explain Myself? You Legalist!"
Post by: creationliberty on December 05, 2018, 08:46:36 AM
An interesting side note: I often get accused of being a "legalist," but it occurred to me that I've never really looked up a definition. I noticed that it didn't exist in Webster's 1828 dictionary, and that's because the word 'legalist' didn't appear until about the same time that Adventism appeared (1830s-1840s), which makes sense because Adventists are legalists.
legalist (n): strict adherence, or the principle of strict adherence, to law or prescription, especially to the letter rather than the spirit, the doctrine that salvation is gained through good works

Anyone is welcome to show me where I am teaching legalism. Those of you who know what I teach, know that I teach the opposite; I'm trying to use Christ's doctrine to free people from the bondage of the law. So that leaves us with the question: Why do I get accused of "legalism" so often?

It just occurred to me this morning that the problem was not with me (although I still want to judge myself, and I would not presume that I make no errors), but rather, the problem was with their Satanism. Yes, you did not misread that; the problem is their Satanic beliefs, and I think I may use that to a certain extent in the future when I have discussion with people on the matter.

Aleister Crowley, one of the most influential Satanists of the 20th century, taught the doctrine: "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law." We have a generation that believes because they are churchgoers, therefore, they are of Christ, and because Christ gives us liberty, therefore, we can "do whatever we want," without any personal responsibility or judgment, which is a Satanic belief system.

I hope that may help some of you in your discussions with others, and I'll probably do some of my own refinement of that and use it in response to the false accusations of childish letters I receive.
Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
-1Co 14:20
Ye shall not do after all the things that we do here this day, every man whatsoever is right in his own eyes.
-Deu 12:8
If ye love me, keep my commandments.
-John 14:15