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Title: Chick Publications
Post by: Kenneth Winslow on November 26, 2018, 10:56:23 PM
I was concerned that Chick Publications might be 501-c3 tax exempt, so I messaged David W. Daniels, the current head of Chick Publications since Jack T. Chick died a couple of years ago. 
Here is his response:

"Hi, Kenneth! Nope! Jack was told we had 2 options: be tax-exempt and have the government tell us what to do; or pay taxes through the nose and have more freedom without extra interference. So he chose to pay the taxes."

I'm pleased to have that settled.  :)
Title: Re: Chick Publications
Post by: Joop on November 27, 2018, 10:39:09 AM
 :) :) :)
Title: Re: Chick Publications
Post by: creationliberty on November 27, 2018, 11:26:58 AM
What taxes? They should really read the book I wrote on that. Notice also that it wasn't a question about the authority of God over the church. Hmm.
Title: Re: Chick Publications
Post by: Zoologistkid on November 27, 2018, 11:41:27 AM
Kenneth, their response is a little suspicious because Foc3 is not a question of taxes but a question of God's authority, which many people don't get, like that Breeden guy, I've been talking about. He mocks Chris because
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In Johnsons world, churches organized as non-profits are sleeping with the enemy, the moon landing probably never took place, and the devil took all the good music.

But true Churches without Foc3 are non-profit, does anyone else see an irony here? Foc3 is not about taxes, it is about yoking with wicked organizations, who your authority is, and how you will be used as a puppet by the Government if you do get a foc3 contract.
Title: Re: Chick Publications
Post by: Kenneth Winslow on November 27, 2018, 01:24:17 PM
I am just glad that they have chosen to NOT have the government telling them what to do via a contract with the IRS. 

Title: Re: Chick Publications
Post by: Kenneth Winslow on November 27, 2018, 01:25:02 PM
What taxes?

Federal income tax?
Title: Re: Chick Publications
Post by: creationliberty on November 27, 2018, 01:35:30 PM
They didn't owe it if they didn't get incorporated. That's my point. The question Jack was asking was the wrong question because he didn't understand the matter. I mean, it's good that he abstained from 501c3, but he did it for the wrong reasons.
Title: Re: Chick Publications
Post by: Kenneth Winslow on November 27, 2018, 01:52:21 PM
So, I guess the next question would be to ask if they are incorporated?

If they are incorporated that means that they are "incorporated" into the Federal government.
Is that correct?

(I HATE the fact that, after 52 years, I'm finally starting to understand these terms and phrases that I've been hearing for my entire life.  >:(  I feel ripped off some how.)
Title: Re: Chick Publications
Post by: creationliberty on November 27, 2018, 02:45:35 PM
No no, I'm sorry, I thought you understood already. I explain this in more detail here:
http://www.creationliberty.com/articles/501c3.php (http://www.creationliberty.com/articles/501c3.php)
I've recently rewritten that into a full-length book, so there are many more details I've tried to explain as simplistically as I know how.

Federal Income Tax is on the basis of the word 'income', which is legally defined as "gain by corporate profit." Thus, wages, are not "gain by corporate profit," and therefore, no American citizen has any legal obligation to pay income taxes from their wages, and there is no law that requires them to do so. People file income tax returns at their discretion, meaning they have a choice whether or not they want to do it.

Corporations, like businesses, do have to pay income taxes, and income taxes are supposed to go towards funding our military to defend our country. (i.e. If businesses want to flourish, they need protection from outside invaders, and since we were supposed to have a militia of citizens to protect themselves, the military was to be funded by corporate businesses.) Thus, when a church decides to file 501c3 and gain corporate status, they now because a business that is a branch of the federal government, and so they would then, under normal circumstances, be required to pay income taxes, but they are given an "exemption" from them.

In short, we who are of Christ have no need for an exemption because we don't owe those taxes, but when a 501c3 corporation forms, they have a need for an exemption because they owe those taxes. Therefore, Jack's error was that he presumed he owed taxes that he didn't owe in the first place, and instead of judging the matter by whether or not it was Biblical to yoke up with the government and every other 501c3 entity, he was thinking more about money, falsely believing that he was "paying more" to be free, which is not the case.
Title: Re: Chick Publications
Post by: anvilhauler on November 27, 2018, 11:18:41 PM
In the USA does the IRS come running after self employed people who don't pay taxes?
Title: Re: Chick Publications
Post by: creationliberty on November 27, 2018, 11:54:37 PM
Self-employed people pay taxes. Not sure what you mean.
Title: Re: Chick Publications
Post by: Jeanne on November 28, 2018, 10:10:04 AM
I thought Chick Publications was a business. They publish and sell stuff right? So, if they're not a non-profit organisation, they have to pay taxes on what they sell, don't they?

I think what Kevin is talking about is dishonest self-employed people who just decide not to tell the government what they've earned.

And yes, Kevin, the IRS would come running after such people if they got wind of what they were doing.
Title: Re: Chick Publications
Post by: anvilhauler on November 28, 2018, 02:02:26 PM
Federal Income Tax is on the basis of the word 'income', which is legally defined as "gain by corporate profit." Thus, wages, are not "gain by corporate profit," and therefore, no American citizen has any legal obligation to pay income taxes from their wages, and there is no law that requires them to do so. People file income tax returns at their discretion, meaning they have a choice whether or not they want to do it.

I was thinking through the logic that a worker who works for wages is effectively self-employed because they are contracting out their time and services to their employer.
Title: Re: Chick Publications
Post by: creationliberty on November 28, 2018, 02:28:15 PM
Okay, I understand your question now. For Americans, it's forced out of their wages, but not by the IRS. It's a very interesting situation, and very few Americans are even aware of it anymore.

Sadly, the IRS can threaten any business with an audit, and that audit will basically bankrupt most businesses, or at least, cost them a great deal of time, money, and hassle. Therefore, due to the threat of an audit and fear of the IRS, businesses require that employees sign a contract (i.e. W-2 Form) in which the only way an American can get work is to sign over their 4th Amendment rights, and allow the business to forcibly remove money from his/her paycheck to send to IRS directly. Then, if the American worker wants to get SOME of that money back, they can file a Federal Income Tax return, in which they will be required to sign over both their 4th and 5th Amendment rights for a small sum of money. In short, businesses voluntarily play the enforcement role for the IRS since the IRS does not have enough employees to babysit every citizen.

Frankly, the mafia operates under less deception.